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(DIR) Post #9uSPjHk43pLPclDYGG by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-27T04:10:23.585801Z
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I love this guy. He's like China's John Bolton/Hilldawg. "Stealing US anti-epidemic data? The Chinese don’t collect trash." LMAOScreen Shot 2020-04-26 at 11.09…
(DIR) Post #9uVXz5bQLQ0riQ6QxU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T16:27:01.405723Z
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@jack Is he YCL or 50RMB?
(DIR) Post #9uVZ804qMDZX8fg08G by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T16:39:50.331203Z
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@p No he's the head of Global Times. He's a high-level dude who started posting in English a month ago so he can shitpost against ZOG. It's pretty great. Also the agitprop farms got a raise and it's 80RMB according to a Falun Dafa gril I follow.
(DIR) Post #9uVi1xt4UAGkCHMozI by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T18:19:35.597031Z
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@jack Ah, it'd be YCL, then. Like, the 50, er, 80RMB Army gets a script, but the YCL is steered by ideologues, they don't have to follow a script.
(DIR) Post #9uVl5samPj8WnOMyky by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T18:53:54.951223Z
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@p This dude is legit. He ain't afraid of no Tiananmen. Mentioned it and people were like "whoa" and he was like, you niggas stuck in 1989. https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1252990933794091008
(DIR) Post #9uVlC2YWHaJ3R0FZGi by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T18:55:01.745354Z
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@p Lol. "If this happened in China people would've rebelled." https://twitter.com/HuXijin_GT/status/1255205884759732225
(DIR) Post #9uVr38TFWMKKtkvEVE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T20:00:39.004538Z
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@jack That's funny, I just discussed this with @fluffy.> He ain't afraid of no Tiananmen.This guy is doing "smoky truth". On June 5th, the government acknowledged the incident *externally*, and said that there were isolated shootings, nothing major, definitely no massacre, nothing to see here. It's been a priority for quite some time attempt to save face on it for propaganda purposes. It looks like he's mostly repeating the Xinhua talking points. I mean, look at the article he screenshat: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/863789.shtml . That article is basically exactly Xinhua's talking points, right down to the "This is all a conspiracy by the West because they cannot tolerate our harmony and prosperity!" lines. Elsewhere ( http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/660108.shtml ), it seems like the CCP cares enough about it to put it up there with Falun Gong membership and the memory-holed Charter 08 ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_08 ):> Applying for Party membership also requires a background check of the student's family. Letters are mailed to parents' employers asking if the applicant's mother or father had been involved in June 4 Tiananmen incident, practiced Falungong or signed the Charter 08 petition.Internally, though, people are not allowed to discuss it, to the extent that a release of Node.js couldn't be downloaded inside the GFW because its version number included "6.4": https://thenextweb.com/asia/2011/12/06/software-system-node-js-suffers-bizarre-blockage-in-china/ . Some interviews (obviously, a broader survey is impractical) indicate that most people inside China are aware of it but don't know what it was about. Tank Man's photo is prohibited.So I guess wake me up if the guy *contradicts* the party line on it, because just mentioning it to a Western audience is not half as subversive as he's pretending it is.live_goddamn_video.mp4tiananmen.png
(DIR) Post #9uVrHXj4Q4aTHQByds by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T20:03:15.232088Z
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@jack > If this happened in China:xi: Is he saying it didn't?I mean, China's cooking the books on their total number of cases, to the extent that they're fabricating numbers for *Taiwan*. I don't think the Chinese Ministry of Health takes phone calls from Taiwan or has any offices there.
(DIR) Post #9uVrSQ2XKudacyU2Yi by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T20:05:13.167710Z
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@p @jack naively speaking, anything convenient to american political agendas, and repeated by their media, should be questioned twice and doubted thrice.It's late here so i'll reply in depth tomorrow
(DIR) Post #9uVuYPUmZammXUFAdU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T20:39:55.037708Z
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@fluffy @jack > anything convenient to american political agendas, and repeated by their media, should be questioned twice and doubted thrice.I agree completely.I don't think this is one of the parts where they're lying, though, and in general, if there's a contradiction between communist press and US press, the US version is going to be closer to the truth, and in this case, China is definitely lying and the Tiananmen massacre did happen.So this isn't a good illustration of the broader point you were making (that the US is not immune to propaganda operations, that the government actively pushes things to the press, etc.). A better one would be that we were trying to maintain peace with Japan until Pearl Harbor. Churchill was asking FDR for aid because after Paris fell, the UK was essentially fighting the entire war alone. FDR wanted a war, but couldn't sell it to a public that was essentially thinking "This is Europe's mess, we don't wanna die in France", so the diplomats were flippant to the Japanese ones or failed to show up to meetings and just ignored messages, we kept pushing harder sanctions, and we froze Japanese accounts in the US, etc. FDR was trying everything short of an actual act of war to provoke Japan into attacking, and when Pearl Harbor happened, we declared war on Japan and all the other countries allied with Japan and sent the bulk of our forces to the European theater.
(DIR) Post #9uVv6cRaw9UsXo44dU by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T20:46:05.983840Z
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@p @jack >in general, if there's a contradiction between communist press and US press, the US version is going to be closer to the truthI don't know about this. What do the chinese say about things that we know the west lied about? Off the top of my head, there was recently the syrian gas attacks which was a known lie. Were the chinese telling the truth of it?There are plenty of events the west lies about and covers up, in fact there is no end. I would have to see the data but, I suspect that in terms of non-chinese elements, the chinese tell a more faithful story. This is likely because they know how powerful the western loudspeaker is and they can only compete by being reasonable.Domestic chinese issues are something which escape me, but, it might be the case that what we see internationally is broadly similar to what we see in china.But, I don't know. I don't trust the CCP. I don't trust the western media either. It's all bastards all around, hang the lot of them.
(DIR) Post #9uVyq4TBstICMHAyP2 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T21:27:55.746854Z
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@fluffy @jack > What do the chinese say about things that we know the west lied about?> There are plenty of events the west lies about and covers upGovernments lie. What does this mean for your weekend? News at 11. The difference is that it eventually comes out. Russia didn't declassify half the shit Lenin did until two decades after the USSR fell, but we know about Tuskegee and MKULTRA and whatnot, for example. The Iraq WMD thing lasted how long? That was a pretty big embarrassment, the government was lampooned on a regular basis. The warrantless wiretapping, the Snowden stuff, Epstein. The difference here is that nobody's out there executing reporters for blowing the lid off that stuff. They're trying to harass the shit out of Alex Jones, but he's not in a reeducation camp, he's not getting a blindfold and a cigarette.A country with total state control of the media is not even comparable, here. You can't even post Winnie the Pooh in China. Only a shill can think about it for more than a minute and still try to equate the two with a straight face.Compare the communist Vietnamese version of the Sino-Vietnamese War in 1979 with the PRC's version of events, then look at the western version of events.> I suspect that in terms of non-chinese elements, the chinese tell a more faithful story.Dubious. This whole paragraph.> I don't trust the CCP. I don't trust the western media either.I definitely can agree with these. I don't think the media ought to be trusted, but there is no Chinese media: Xinhua is owned by the Party, it is a literal wing of the party. Don't trust a newspaper, but a newspaper is probably closer to the truth than a statement by the White House Press Secretary. Xinhua *is* the CCP Press Secretary, but as a media outlet rather than a person.This is how China operates. They have an opposition party in the PRC, did you know that? But the CCP gets to pick the opposition party's candidates. It's odd they'd go through the ceremony, right? Not if you know that this gets them off on a technicality for the UN's classification of a single-party regime. Technically, they have elections and an opposition party and everything! Same way that reeducation camps, where you get sent if the government doesn't like you and which you're not allowed to leave, are implemented such that they just barely escape being classified as prisons, so China can claim to have an incredibly low prison population. "Smoky truth."Incidentally, on that war in 1979, China basically just pushed, with insane casualties, until a guy was able to plant a flag in Saigon, at which point they declared victory and retreated. Their version of events was that it was a complete success and Vietnam capitulated. Technicalities.Come on, man. Be serious for a minute.
(DIR) Post #9uVzMMDpPwYcgNNyPA by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T21:33:45.846347Z
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@p @jack >They're trying to harass the shit out of Alex Jones, but he's not in a reeducation camp, he's not getting a blindfold and a cigarette.what abut Anglin? Weev? #ClintonBodyCount? I suspect that things are not much better, but have little proof on the matter. Indeed, china remains an enigma for many>Come on, man. Be serious for a minute.now is not the time for serious now is the time for czech beers and scotch and talking about crazy biz ideas with me and @nekojanai you should hang out with us on matrix
(DIR) Post #9uW0hp8RDM8kOFfEyO by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T21:48:50.906667Z
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@p @jack >You can't even post Winnie the Pooh in China. Look at what happened to Irving, the greatest ww2 scholar in history, when he discovered inconvenient truths. The man was unpersoned, bankrupted, and socially ostracized.I will remind you that Bertrand Russel considered social ostrazation to be just as bad as being condemned to prison, and with good reason.Sure you don't get shot for saying winnie the pooh. But there are things you say which have very severe consequences from private citizens. Frankly, if we are to have a state, it should predict me from the predations of rich oligarchs who wish to keep their secrets hidden. Of course this is hardly the case.
(DIR) Post #9uW2EhcGI4yga4r75M by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:05:59.744462Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai > what abut Anglin? Weev? #ClintonBodyCount?Weev was because "hacker bad". It was shit, but it wasn't because he said something the government didn't like, it was because the government doesn't understand or like computers. As much as the media hates Anglin, I'm sure if he were arrested that would be all over every news outlet. The shit with the Clintons, they're corrupt, even by politicians' standards.David Duke is still walking around, not arrested. George Lincoln Rockwell. Louis Farrakhan. Name one Chinese dissident that was allowed to do the shit that those guys did.Stop acting like these are remotely equivalent to the situation in a country where YOU LITERALLY CANNOT POST WINNIE THE POOH. Name one motherfucker that got arrested for calling Trump a Cheeto.The difference is there are limits: you and I can, without being censored, discuss the uprising in Wounded Knee in 1973. You cannot talk about Tiananmen in China, but you can put shit on Wikipedia about Wounded Knee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wounded_Knee_incident . When Based Dorner was doing his shit, I was calling it awesome on Twitter and zero Cheka motherfuckers came and disappeared me in the night. If you cannot say Xi looks like Winnie the Pooh, do you think you can openly praise someone that is killing Chinese cops?> Indeed, china remains an enigma for manyIt is literally not an enigma. That's a grasp. Just going by the shit China *admits*, they are worse about freedom of the press or freedom of speech than most Western countries. The UK has it worse than the US, given that you can't blaspheme the Prophet Mohammed (:mohammed: PBUH :mohammed:) or own a :nazipug: and it's *still* legal to be an anti-government dissident there.> now is the time for czech beers and scotch and talking about crazy biz ideas with me and @nekojanai you should hang out with us on matrixIf you guys connect your Matrix clients to an IRC server, maybe. I'm not gonna use Matrix, though. :fluoride:
(DIR) Post #9uW2rNlk11PUJtjXmq by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:12:59.172906Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai Yeah, as someone with actual far-right views, I still don't think that the West (and certainly not the US) has reached China-levels in terms of authoritarianism, media propaganda and suppression of dissent. I certainly think that's the direction we're moving in (a post-Great Replacement West would be pretty fucking terrible), but we're not there yet.
(DIR) Post #9uW3UYK4i7Y6LUTFOS by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:20:03.918000Z
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@p @fluffy It is interesting that we agree on the surface of a lot of things, but deeper down we are diametrically opposed. If you think not about countries, but about families, it is most common for abused children to side with a horrifically abusive parent over an impartial observer. Impartial observers of course are real people with real faults, which allows an abusive parent the leverage to make grossly out of scale behavior or circumstances appear comparable, thanks to the near impossibility of a full perspective. The abused kid even participates in the warping of reality by projecting what is most familiar to him onto everyone else.This context, of an abused kid, is how most USAers view other countries' faults. It's how most people view Russia and China and even Iran or Palestine. By virtue of being so dissociated mentally from ZOG, I don't have this frame of view. All that to say, I basically buy his Tiananmen story. I do think China lies, but not about what you think it lies about. It's main fabrications are the construction of a Chinese race/ethnicity, when the 100 or more actual ethnicities/races are completely separate. And the 5000 year history it has assembled is mostly a patchwork of requisitioned and scavenged episodes from various groups stories. But Americans don't care about these lies because they too make up similar lies about themselves.
(DIR) Post #9uW4mO01vmibUlA8Nk by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:34:29.594947Z
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@p @fluffy >the US version is going to be closer to the truthHard no on this. No polity in the history of the Earth is more insane and perfidious than the United States. One of the recent things I've uncovered in Slav World: The Holodomor was caused by the United States. Russia had began increasing gold reserves in the 20s. It had plenty of grain during the famine. But the US wanted the Soviet regime to fall and probably also wanted the grain for bread lines. So there is an obscure regulation that happened where for several years the US refused to accept trade in gold and would only take grain. The Russian state was forced to hand over the grain in order to get the other goods/materials the country needed to continue functioning. This of course led to the famines. It was shitty and ultimately Stalin chose continuity of government over the lives of people but it only happened because the US refused their gold.
(DIR) Post #9uW5eCVEtJsLTbQABE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:44:13.139092Z
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@fluffy @jack > The man was unpersoned, bankrupted, and socially ostracized.Don't give me that retardation. People don't want to associate with a Nazi, that's their call. It's either stupid or disingenuous to equate that to getting arrested because the government does not allow criticism or even parody, and I know you're not stupid, so what should I conclude here, man?> I will remind you that Bertrand Russel considered social ostrazation to be just as bad as being condemned to prisonYou cannot enforce that people still hang out with a guy, even if they hate the guy. Letting people be who they are is a cultural value, but for any given culture, there are some types of person that almost no one will accept. That is true globally.It's again obvious if you think about it for a minute that saying "This is as bad a consequence" is not the same as saying "This is exactly the same, morally".> But there are things you say which have very severe consequences from private citizens.This is moving the damn goalposts, and you know that it's not the same.> it should predict me from the predations of rich oligarchs who wish to keep their secrets hidden.If you don't like how a private citizen is treated, you can take action against it in your capacity as a private citizen. I don't know what you want. Should they be forced to let you into their parties? Should they be forced to do business with you? Should the state make them be your friend?The state *does* protect you from this to the extent that it's reasonable to do so. The state will not force them to let you attend their dinner parties, but the state will not let them shoot you or lock you up without consequences.
(DIR) Post #9uW69QQZAaTVdk7lgG by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:49:51.725995Z
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@p @jack >Don't give me that retardation. People don't want to associate with a Nazi, that's their call.It was the result of a coordinated campaign which involved blackmail, boycotts, and libel. The libel was so vicious that Irving sued, and then half of hollywood funded millions dollars of lawyers and bankrupted him. You should at least develop a surface understanding of this: It was perhaps the greatest show of force of historical revisionism of our time, perhaps in all of history. I would have not expected you to brush aside such a thing as "but they said he was a nazi".
(DIR) Post #9uW6LrYi7c6XGGreuu by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T22:52:06.594077Z
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@p @jack I don't really think death threats to the publisher and saying you will bankrupt them if they release this book is freedom of association. And that is a thing that happened, you can read the introduction to Irving's book on Goebbels where he details what happened to what had previously been his publishers.
(DIR) Post #9uW7iVNUr7P75Dyo2i by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:07:24.416721Z
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@jack @fluffy > It is interesting that we agree on the surface of a lot of things, but deeper down we are diametrically opposed.That's one of the reasons you're interesting.> This context, of an abused kid, is how most USAers view other countries' faults. It's how most people view Russia and China and even Iran or Palestine.Yeah. One difference is I'm an adult. I don't view the US as perfect nor my caregiver. I love the people, I love a lot of the shared principles, but that's a culture, not a government. In the case of the government, I don't have any love for it. This is just the government and the press. I don't think the CCP is all Chinese people (or talk about dissidents would be meaningless), I don't think the press tells the truth. It's a long way between here and how China works, though, and it's not really equivalent. I might love my homeland and my people for irrational reasons, but that's different from trusting the government or the press. It's really not the same.> All that to say, I basically buy his Tiananmen story.I showed a video from the night of June 3. That was broadcast globally, before there was an opportunity to assess what was going on and craft a narrative that would serve the state. The same happened the night of June 4. Do you think the video was faked? The CCP stresses that there was not a massacre during the *day* and in the actual *square*, and that's all true: there wasn't. That's why I said this was "smoky truth" and why I went on about using technicalities for propaganda purposes. That's literally what's going on here. China always downplays dissidents.> But Americans don't care about these lies because they too make up similar lies about themselves.There definitely is a national mythology, but anyone can see the seams. They can't even hide the seams of their own inside China. The Tiananmen Square massacre happened, that's all. You'll get no argument from me that the US government lies or that newspapers lie, this is governments' and newspapers' nature. The US newspapers are not like Xinhua. Every oppositional narrative gets published somewhere. Whatever sacred texts the Falun Gong have cannot be published in the PRC, but they can be in the US. Even David Koresh's gospel and Uncle Ted's essay are easy to find. Speaking of David Koresh, all the fuckin' "oh no ostracized" people that @fluffy brought up were nothing like what happened in Waco. I could speculate on why he used those examples instead of Waco, but it's better to ask.
(DIR) Post #9uW7ykgRiXu5Bbaesy by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:10:20.590657Z
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@p @fluffy @nekojanai >a country where YOU LITERALLY CANNOT POST WINNIE THE POOHTo be honest, if you are having an aspergers fit because you cannot meme an 80s cartoon, you should probably receive a forced psychiatric evaluation. American discourse, particularly Lolbertarian discourse, is infinitely shallow. There's a pettiness and one-dimensionality. It's reactive and aimless, because since we are so totally deracinated and lobotomized we don't have a sense of self necessary for a non-reactive response to an incident. If you look at the freedoms Americans foam at the mouth over, they're childish and unimportant. "I want to whisper "nigger" under a fake name on the interwebs!""I want to make art with my own shit!""I want to burn the little Walmart flag of the Zionist World Regime and then go lay in my backyard and fall asleep!" "I want to go to Steamworks, do meth, and catch AIDS while Oprah cheers!" I hope we are getting close to a Come-to-Krishna moment, where people realize how empty these so-called freedoms are. The United States is already far, far worse in terms of freedom than the height of Soviet Russia ever was. People massacre a school to make a political statement and they dope that guy up for two years until he forgets who he even is and then have a fake plea and sentencing without him ever saying a word. In USSR, they held the trials and argued against the revolutionary politics and then convicted people. A rare exception is Ungern who had a trial but was only charged with banditry to avoid publicizing his case. Nowhere else on Earth has ever closed people's pathetic 0.0005% savings accounts with $200 in it because they made fun of Jews. Only the the US. There are so many examples. Basically everything. And none of this is new. It was old news when Carlin was making comedy routines out of it in the early 90s.
(DIR) Post #9uW8zCVKNfgVQOAS7k by Secftblgirl@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:21:37.757795Z
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>If you look at the freedoms Americans foam at the mouth over, they're childish and unimportant. If these are the freedoms of people you hang with, maybe you need different friends/acquaintances.None of those mean jack to me.@jack @p @fluffy @nekojanai
(DIR) Post #9uW9hWpu9GxRDyvgiO by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:29:38.433034Z
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@Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai @p @jack seems to think this is about freedoms. It's about principles. The freedoms are one of the manifestations of living those principles.
(DIR) Post #9uW9pnUM7RXJBhnDqi by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:31:08.093184Z
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@leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai @p I'm most likely against your principles.
(DIR) Post #9uW9tmQg02M93oyGuG by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:31:51.276729Z
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@jack @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai @p If that be the case, I feel reassured of my correctness.
(DIR) Post #9uWA88Of7bZFFIsEKW by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:34:26.935367Z
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@Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai @p There's nothing new here. These are the freedoms you're allowed to have — sex, drugs, crassness, petty but insincere defiance. Real freedoms get ol' Pete the :van:
(DIR) Post #9uWAVJDh31dLTPnGEq by Secftblgirl@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:38:38.230099Z
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I believe it depends on what state you live in tbh. Some states have way more freedoms than others@jack @fluffy @nekojanai @p
(DIR) Post #9uWBM6XMvr8DUFAgoS by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:48:10.719926Z
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@Secftblgirl @jack @fluffy @nekojanai wait is Jack one of the autistic pædophiles who won't leave @p the fuck alone?
(DIR) Post #9uWBRP1rbiPsHnxfsm by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:49:08.168082Z
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@p @fluffy You're not an adult though. In the context of man and country you are the child. You cannot be anything but a child. >Irrational reasons. Exactly. It's irrational. >Every oppositional narrative gets published somewhere. Real narratives DON'T get published. People get jailed often. You people often cheer when they're falsely branded as "pedophiles". It's tiresome and low-iq. >Even David Koresh's gospel and Uncle Ted's essay are easy to find.It is incredibly difficult to get ahold of the books I want. There's the CIA book-hording program that's a problem for some titles. But mostly, you can't even get people to talk about the names of these books. It's difficult to reprint them. Pages get left out of scans. They rewrite them with false information. Steal copies from the Library of Congress. This is why you can never discuss any of this without discussing Jews. Jews and Judaic deception is always at the root of all of this. And then some sack-of-shit Ameriburger Seppo hick sits there slack-jawed and defends it as "by-the-book as he reckons it." Tiresome.
(DIR) Post #9uWBqLpybx6lcvIWdE by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-28T23:53:38.013207Z
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@jack @p @fluffy @nekojanai tldrYou can't post Pooh, you cant post sans, you can't play animal crossing, and you can't keep your livers.Quit simping for china. :backfromgab:
(DIR) Post #9uWCCIWtadWljrq0LQ by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-28T23:57:36.683703Z
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@leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai @p America is such a piece of utter garbage country. >You have no real freedoms. You all think it's reasonable and right to put people in jail for 20 years for cutting the barrel off your own gun. You think it's "murder of a police officer" if someone kills a police dog that's chewing off their arm. You think it's "attempted murder" if someone coughs or spits on a pig cop and has the common cold. >OOH. Pedofiles! Baby humping! Poopoo! Peepee! Illuminati! Sigh. You should all be murdered. And with Kalki's grace, you all soon will be.
(DIR) Post #9uWCTevvXwtI95pBkO by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T00:00:44.942725Z
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@jack @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai @p84eb717d0df7a487ebd2e65e3d553cf…
(DIR) Post #9uWCtju3gvBn5YO1pY by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T00:05:27.744444Z
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@jack @fluffy > No polity in the history of the Earth is more insane and perfidious than the United States.I only ever hear Americans say this, except when I'm watching Iran or North Korea or whoever on the news.> The Holodomor was caused by the United States.Do you think the de-kulakization had absolutely nothing to do with depleting grain reserves?That'd be like saying that the attacks on kulak-equivalent farmers in South Africa weren't related to the downturn in agricultural production from from 2014-2016: http://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0441/P04411stQuarter2019.pdf . (Previous publications had a general upwards trend: http://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0441/P04411stQuarter2013.pdf .) Farming has come a long way in the interim (the 1960s saw a big change in farming techniques that vastly increased production: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Revolution ), but I don't think it's the case that you can say that killing successful farmers has no effect on grain production, and in the USSR's case, it was systematic.> The Russian state was forced to hand over the grain in order to get the other goods/materials the country needed to continue functioning.The US was agrarian in the 1920s. We were not the important country to trade with. The importance to the USSR of trade relations with the US was exaggerated because we were the Soviet Bloc's nemesis, not because it reflects reality. Unless Europe (manufactured goods) and China (raw materials) were doing this and Russia was not self-sustainable, this has no basis in reality.We closed off a lot of trade with the Third Reich, but Germany didn't have this problem until the war started and even then, people weren't starving until it had been going for a few years. The reason the Hindenburg exploded was that we wouldn't sell helium (a byproduct of petroleum drilling) to Hitler's regime, you can find speeches where he complains about this. Germany, in fact, was happy to trade with the Soviet Union, that was the basis of their alliance.I am interested if you can point me towards the relevant laws or executive orders about this, though. (Not because I doubt that part of the story, but because I'm interested. The part of the story I doubt is that we were somehow the creators of the problems of the Soviet Union.)
(DIR) Post #9uWDueACcHPlWzvzRw by Secftblgirl@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T00:16:49.885881Z
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@jack @leyonhjelm @fluffy @nekojanai @p No need to lump *everyone* in the same basket. You've no idea what I believe
(DIR) Post #9uWEe4l6aC9R2urDvc by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T00:25:02.495232Z
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@fluffy @jack > It was the result of a coordinated campaign which involved blackmail, boycotts, and libel.The libel in question, per Wikipedia (could go read the court filings, won't, this is boring):> Irving is one of the most dangerous spokespersons for Holocaust denial. Familiar with historical evidence, he bends it until it conforms with his ideological leanings and political agenda. A man who is convinced that Britain's great decline was accelerated by its decision to go to war with Germany, he is most facile at taking accurate information and shaping it to confirm his conclusions. A review of his recent book, Churchill's War, which appeared in New York Review of Books, accurately analyzed his practice of applying a double standard of evidence. He demands "absolute documentary proof" when it comes to proving the Germans guilty, but he relies on highly circumstantial evidence to condemn the Allies. This is an accurate description not only of Irving's tactics, but of those of deniers in generalThat sounds a lot like, hyperbole aside (I don't think it's dangerous per se), an accurate assessment.> You should at least develop a surface understanding of this:bigred: You can't possibly understand this or you'd already agree with me.:cat:> It was perhaps the greatest show of force of historical revisionism of our time, perhaps in all of history.All of history, you say.> I would have not expected you to brush aside such a thing as "but they said he was a nazi".I wouldn't have expected you to ignore brush aside literally all of my objections to hyperfocus on this guy, but here we are.I don't care about this guy. As I said already, if you wanted to say the government did a guy wrong, you could point at Waco. I wouldn't argue with that claim, that was bad. But here we are with Irving, as if you're happy to discard the broader point because you don't care about the broader point, you care the Holocaust Guy.
(DIR) Post #9uWEjSdtDApuZG3B3I by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T00:26:00.891950Z
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@fluffy @jack No, death threats to the publisher are not okay. No one's arguing that, you complained about being ostracized.
(DIR) Post #9uWEks4U9WnviwA95M by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T00:26:16.183429Z
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@Secftblgirl @fluffy @leyonhjelm @nekojanai @p Daddy Jack needs everyone to be quiet for a little while or we're all going to take a trip to the caldera.caldera.jpg
(DIR) Post #9uWIQhv0age6GCN2Ui by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T01:07:26.738435Z
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@jack @fluffy @nekojanai > To be honest, if you are having an aspergers fit because you cannot meme an 80s cartoon, you should probably receive a forced psychiatric evaluation.No, it's got nothing to do with the cartoon itself, but that mockery of leaders is not tolerated is indicative of how much dissent is tolerated: zero. The "fit" is incredulity at the magnitude of the stubborn insistence on the false equivalence. I think I expressed incredulity in proportion to the magnitude: I held down a shift key to stress my point, I didn't smash any plates or start abusing substances or punch anybody out or anything like that.> If you look at the freedoms Americans foam at the mouth over, they're childish and unimportant."Obsta principiis."That aside, I am a grown-ass man and I will do what I damn well please. If I want to anonymously write gamer words in AIDS-infected shit on a flag and then burn it on the internet, I won't let anyone tell me otherwise.> where people realize how empty these so-called freedoms areDignity, like integrity, can be broken as thoroughly by small things as large. These are core components of your humanity. You can point to how trivial any individual freedom is, and some of them are, sure, but the entire core is the shift in the mindset: if you accept it, you are a subject and not a free man.> The United States is already far, far worse in terms of freedom than the height of Soviet Russia ever was.:brandt: Sorry man, but seriously?Look, I agree to an extent: freedoms have been eroded and it is bad at present. Part of this is how pervasive it's all gotten. It's not worse than Soviet Russia, that's hyperbole beyond belief. I talk to Russkies, they've got a fatalism about the whole thing, but I don't know one of them that thinks this is true.You can pick the most egregious shit, like asset forfeiture> People massacre a school to make a political statement and they dope that guy up for two years until he forgets who he even is and then have a fake plea and sentencing without him ever saying a word.That would be an injustice, certainly.> In USSR, they held the trials and argued against the revolutionary politics and then convicted people.In the USSR, my friend's college buddy disappeared when he plugged several extension cables into a television during the Soviet National Anthem and threw it out the window. Don't tell me they were open, man.> Nowhere else on Earth has ever closed people's pathetic 0.0005% savings accounts with $200 in it because they made fun of Jews. Only the the US.Who are we talking about, here?That aside, I can probably come up with something worse elsewhere depending on what you're talking about. This doesn't apply in the US, you can legally make fun of Jews. (Steve Wozniak's ethnic joke hotline comes to mind.) You can't in most of Europe, that's a hate crime. You can't make fun of Xi in China. Straight to the gulag. You can mock any ethnic, religious, economic, or political group in the US, and it's all just words. Nobody's getting sent to the gulag for jokes here. Kathy Griffin isn't in GTMO over that beheading photo. (Last I checked, she's still free.) That production of the Tragedy of Julius Caesar where they made Caesar into a Trump analogue resulted in zero arrests.In the mean time, a giant Lenin head with a tiny, cross-dressed Mao on top of it, holding a balance beam, was not allowed into China. That's not even an assassination joke: https://laist.com/2017/06/13/gao_brothers_sculpture.php
(DIR) Post #9uWIfiAlvZqROOtlBI by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T01:10:09.430374Z
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@jack @leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai That's the wonderful thing about America: we manage to live peacefully (for the most part) with people with opposed principles.
(DIR) Post #9uWJjhwkoI1hntoLRY by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T01:22:05.075744Z
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@p @jack @fluffy @nekojanai Stormfags need to be the most oppressed people on Earth, no matter how retarded the false equivalencies they make are. No shit China and North Korea are less free than the US, but they can't be the worst governments out there because they aren't controlled by my favorite big-nosed boogeymen.
(DIR) Post #9uWM4YA2aWPhRZ5ktE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T01:48:15.681961Z
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@jack @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai > petty but insincere defiance.Nothing stops anyone from posting Uncle Ted's shit, man. I've linked to it several times. I've uploaded Dorner's manifesto. Here it is again. I think sincere defiance is totally legal. https://thebackupbox.net/docs/Industrial_Society_and_Its_Future-Ted_Kaczynski.html> Real freedoms get ol' Pete the :van:Dude, I've posted the Ghost Gunner 2 .stl file. Here it is again, everybody print one, free guns.GG2.stl.bz2dorner-80c
(DIR) Post #9uWMlhnYdGSfml9aMq by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T01:56:03.635006Z
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@leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @nekojanai Nah, Jack's cool.
(DIR) Post #9uWMxmbOb6mA9wDwtk by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-04-29T01:58:13.122242Z
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@p @leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @nekojanai lolicon bdsm is free speech67381361_p0.png
(DIR) Post #9uWN3IJq6PwVyWdl0y by bagofshit@kiwifarms.cc
2020-04-29T01:59:13.302461Z
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@a7 @p @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai There is no God.
(DIR) Post #9uWN8cMkzmMBb8XkNU by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-04-29T02:00:10.537329Z
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@bagofshit @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai @p there is a god, he has just abandoned usstallmanblackhorsemen.jpg
(DIR) Post #9uWNEQSCCKc4OFrAps by bagofshit@kiwifarms.cc
2020-04-29T02:01:14.333982Z
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@a7 @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai @p Hope he can keep his laptop cool. He doesn't have his fan.
(DIR) Post #9uWNsgOGMiXxOrDHEm by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T02:08:31.600191Z
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@jack @fluffy > You're not an adult though. In the context of man and country you are the child. You cannot be anything but a child.I suppose that is why you don't mind authoritarianism. This sounds like slave talk to me, and non serviam, nemo me impune lacessit, vita non est vivere sed valere vita est, etc. If you want to be a slave to men you did not choose instead of the ideals you did choose, then you're free to do so, but the concept disgusts me. I'm an American.> Exactly. It's irrational.The point slipped past you that loving one's country and trusting the state are completely different matters, eh?> Real narratives DON'T get published.This is false, but feel free to elaborate.> You people often cheer when they're falsely branded as "pedophiles".Who the fuck are you talking about? Not once did I cheer a false accusation. How long have you known me? What group are you lumping me in with that has left a strong enough impression on you that you'll ignore everything you've seen about the actual, non-abstracted but actually real, concrete person you're talking to?> It's tiresome and low-iq. Getting other people's shit ascribed to me is tiresome and low-IQ, but here we are.> But mostly, you can't even get people to talk about the names of these books.Name the dang books if you like. If it's illegal to say the name of a book, that's something I'm more than willing to pick a legal fight over.> And then some sack-of-shit Ameriburger Seppo hick sits there slack-jawed and defends it as "by-the-book as he reckons it."You're talking to an anarchist, man.
(DIR) Post #9uWNzg91g4EYfHQEk4 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T02:09:47.461544Z
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@jack @leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @nekojanai > Sigh. You should all be murdered. And with Kalki's grace, you all soon will be.Jack's having a bad day or something, man.
(DIR) Post #9uWOeS3Qy9r0q0FT04 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T02:17:09.583030Z
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@Secftblgirl @jack @fluffy @leyonhjelm @nekojanai Seconded.
(DIR) Post #9uWOjFYuqIVbXeGInw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T02:18:01.616656Z
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@jack @Secftblgirl @fluffy @leyonhjelm @nekojanai If it's gonna blow as hard as they say, I think LA's projected to be inside the blast radius.
(DIR) Post #9uWR7OS5dpcByIi2rY by yuri@gleasonator.com
2020-04-29T02:44:47Z
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@p @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai >Gets too much positive reinforcement
(DIR) Post #9uWSByLQEh4CP1L0a0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T02:56:49.974796Z
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@ArdanianRight @fluffy @jack @nekojanai This is kind of my take on it.
(DIR) Post #9uWSHeUowdjka6RU6C by realJamesMason@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-29T02:57:51.231848Z
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@p @jack @Secftblgirl @fluffy @leyonhjelm @nekojanaif0272e1b4d3acd9190c860f15206f0f…
(DIR) Post #9uWUR386vV3RUoQdVI by 11112011@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T03:21:58.037627Z
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@leyonhjelm @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p jack is i trillion times more woke than you
(DIR) Post #9uWXzPPss4zcKDojy4 by Johnny_of_the_swamp@noagendasocial.com
2020-04-29T04:01:46Z
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@p @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai see you down in Arizona Bay
(DIR) Post #9uWccp5pjvHp4PULke by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T04:53:44.142550Z
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@p @fluffy >I only ever hear Americans say this, except when I'm watching Iran or North Korea or whoever on the news.Well that's basically it. There are really only like 5 countries: IranNorth KoreaChinaRussiaAnd everything else is some vassal of America and the NWO Atlanticists. >Do you think...I keep saying almost everything that everyone in the Anglosphere thinks they know about Russia is wrong, because it's all filtered through Zionists, Refuseniks, and Anglo-Germanics. Like almost everyone, you've got a AP history and Wikipedia understanding of it. It's ridiculous and not even based on reality. When you get out of English, you get an entirely different picture of everything. So it's not up for debate. I only share with you that the Holodomor wouldn't have happened without the US creating a grain shortage. That's the story.
(DIR) Post #9uWkKF9VQY1g1SrEzA by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T06:20:01.078735Z
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@p @jack >irvingI was not referring to his lawsuit with Lipstadt, but rather to the events leading up to the publication of his Goebbels book. You can read his interpretation of the events in the preface (page XV) of the attached book. Consider the following scenario:checkem: there are many wealthy private citizens in the usa:checkem: irving the historian finds something they think is a lie:checkem: they, frightened and threatened, organize to deplatform him:checkem: both sides think they are telling the truthI find this much more reasonable than the cartoonish evil mastermind story wikipedia tells. I haven't read much irving. Frankly I don't like his prose, it is too flowery and uses foreshadowing which is very annoying. I prefer dry nonfiction where the facts are presented in painful detail immediately. But I think that spies and propaganda lobbies do indeed conspire to keep certain narratives from becoming mainstream in america. I think it is probably not right to think about freedom of speech in american without also considering that wealthy lobbyists conspire to suppress information. The elites and the government were always intertwined, I find the libertarian claim of separation to be artificial. After all, if I lobby to get a corn subsidy, am I not deciding policy?Book.pdf
(DIR) Post #9uWl09Ak3EhVddPubY by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T06:27:35.468121Z
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@zemichi @jack @nekojanai @p >you can't post poohI am suspicious of this claim. Consider the following article:https://www.businessinsider.com/winnie-the-pooh-memes-china-censored-xi-jinping-2018-2?IR=T> Many Chinese citizens responded in a peculiar way to Sunday's announcement that the Chinese Communist Party may get rid of presidential term limits — by posting images of Winnie the Pooh on social media.If, then, posting winnie the pooh was actually banned in china, why then did so many citizens do it? I think a more plausible explanation would be: china removes certain high profile criticisms of its government, which in this case included memes, but in other cases includes hollywood films featuring winnie the pooh. A sort of Lèse-majesté if you will. I am very skeptical of how the western press presents china. You can read Naomi "Shenzhen Tech Girl" Wu's story[1] to see the dishonesty Vice made about her, and how the rest of the fourth estate conspired to prevent her from defending her name. https://medium.com/@therealsexycyborg/shenzhen-tech-girl-naomi-wu-part-3-defunding-deplatforming-and-detention-140fed4b9554
(DIR) Post #9uXIoUlvJb7naxQLpo by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T12:46:26.662083Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p >wow you can post Pooh in China guess it's legal>Wow you can steal from a store guess stealing is legalArguments of the simpChina does not deal in nuance. If they did video games would not get censored.Quit simping for Chinay4lcno7rbz2jdyvmn8at.jpg
(DIR) Post #9uXKvZJD2s4rbLUftA by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T13:10:08.667544Z
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@zemichi @jack @nekojanai @p muh poohmuh simpyou are completely incoherent get a hold of yourself
(DIR) Post #9uXMmB6Ts29lpeBqbo by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T13:30:50.825201Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p Quit simping then and I'll stop calling you a simpSimp
(DIR) Post #9uXNpnxdxJofAYLkFk by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T13:42:43.071624Z
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@zemichi @jack @nekojanai @p You misunderstood. I was mocking your mannerisms, not defending myself from accusations of SIMPdom. I don't give a damn what you call me.So go on believing your weird extremist shit. I'm sure it will help raise your morale in case of a war with china. That's what this propaganda is for, after all.>China is a hellhole I'm sure that's why we see people fleeing there like from other hellholes like they did from the USSR. Oh wait actually it's the reverse. While nearly all of the soviets who got a passport defected, 4x as many chinese prefer to leave free and awesome america and go to awful totalitarian and oppressive china. Yeah wow nothing to see here the news is totally reliable.Give me a break, you are a coward who believes in convenient lies and is afraid to face the truth.image.png
(DIR) Post #9uXOa853U4EktDuDXU by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T13:51:04.131843Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p >not defending myself from accusations of SIMPdom. I don't give a damn what you call me.So you agree, you are a simp.Reminder that if you do not post a Pooh meme I will consider you an agent of the government of China.Post a Pooh if you are truly a free thinker.
(DIR) Post #9uXOkZfblGubLwz2q8 by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T13:52:58.657216Z
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@zemichi @jack @nekojanai @p >everyone who disagrees with my radical extremism is literally a chinese plantBeing called a russian hacker is so much more glamerous
(DIR) Post #9uXOyQmNc7jPphl59c by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T13:55:28.212616Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p see simps don't recognize when they were infected with the brain worms.I literally dared you to post a Pooh to show you are not an agent of the Chinese government.Why is that so hard for people who claim they weren't influenced by propaganda?
(DIR) Post #9uXPCew7m5axnL6JnM by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T13:58:03.197006Z
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@zemichi @jack @nekojanai @p you gonna say something or just continue to vomit your feelings onto my notification feed?get lost you weird fanatic
(DIR) Post #9uXPTGXFkbhz2TO01o by bagofshit@kiwifarms.cc
2020-04-29T14:01:02.956906Z
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@zemichi Some of us are being bought off with hot Chinese wives. @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p
(DIR) Post #9uXPa51ewQm9MyrF0i by Jimmietherustle@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T14:02:16.587468Z
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@fluffy >Source:China Global Television Network@zemichi @jack @nekojanai @pJJJlulz.jpg
(DIR) Post #9uXQ7AFkWliN8cDxDs by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T14:08:14.351709Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p I'm just going to post things that are banned in China in this post to prove a pointXi simps leave, this is a free network. :backfromgab:images.png61XAXjDaEcL._AC_SL1100_.jpgcbc.jpgWinnie.the.Pooh.full.1305685.jp…
(DIR) Post #9uXQSeecgx3vVU6cvA by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T14:12:08.416897Z
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@bagofshit @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p yesThe forbidden yellow meat is always the sweetestBUT DONT BE TEMPTEDONLY ONE CHILD ALLOWED PER FAMILYWHICH MEANS YOU CAN ONLY CUM INSIDE ONCE INTO YOUR GOVERNMENT MANDATED WAIFU AND THATS ITTHATS COMMUNISM AT WORK
(DIR) Post #9uXQl20eb0SV9eAntQ by roka@pl.smuglo.li
2020-04-29T14:15:27.680429Z
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@zemichi @bagofshit @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p you also both need to wear paper masks of the current chairman (or comrade Mao) during coitus. It wouldn't do to for you to be more loyal to each other than to the grorious communist state, no?
(DIR) Post #9uXRArDnKPFxE1dP9M by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
2020-04-29T14:20:07.392156Z
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@roka @zemichi @bagofshit @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p *paper masks are full masks, like so: https://www.celebrity-facemasks.com/products/xi-jinping-politician-celebrity-party-face-mask.html
(DIR) Post #9uXaPcwdae8osUj8i0 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T16:03:39.128250Z
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@Johnny_of_the_swamp @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai Apocalyptic beachfront property! Don't throw away your Corona-chan masks, kids, the dust is no joke.
(DIR) Post #9uXbjYUxvmSApkqlrE by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T16:18:27.523302Z
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@p @Johnny_of_the_swamp @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @nekojanai is this free real estate?
(DIR) Post #9uY2fzR0XRzDykWUtM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T21:20:20.994681Z
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@jack @fluffy > you've got a AP history and Wikipedia understanding of it.Dude, I hang out with Russkies and lived most of my life in Chinatown. Old friend of mine was in the Soviet Army, he invaded Afghanistan. I hear that even Russia doesn't maintain these stories any more.You start with the premise that everything anyone knows is a lie. Fine, good premise, but no premise is worth discarding your reasoning.(You'll also get a lot farther with the premise that everything people do, they do because they want something.)> It's ridiculous and not even based on reality.oh lawdy lawd my mind done been took by the hebrews, whatEVAH shall i doThe "you've got a AP history and Wikipedia understanding of it" bit makes it seem like we've gone from talking history to having a slap-fight, so let's shake hands and talk about something else, man. There are too many slap-fights on here as it is.
(DIR) Post #9uY43qjqcctFudHCm8 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T21:35:52.021580Z
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@fluffy @jack > moar irvingNo thanks, man.> I think that spies and propaganda lobbies do indeed conspire to keep certain narratives from becoming mainstream in america.Well, yeah, obviously. Like the CIA being responsible for the flourishing of abstract modern art. Jackson Polluck glows in the dark. Alex Jones is being hounded. I even think Gab got a raw deal: first it was the Daily Stormer, then it was Gab, now we've got the precedent and it's fucked.> I think it is probably not right to think about freedom of speech in american without also considering that wealthy lobbyists conspire to suppress information.Dude, I had to move FSE because of this. You're preaching to the choir.> The elites and the government were always intertwined, I find the libertarian claim of separation to be artificial.I'm aware of no such claim and am not especially libertarian in terms of buying into the storyline, so I don't know what this is about. I want no state, not a small state. For pragmatic reasons (I don't want Mississippi to resort to cannibalism, I don't want Russian or Chinese soldiers or nukes to touch American soil) I think the state needs to shrink before it goes away. I believe I have explained this.
(DIR) Post #9uY6en1vZY6b2ATXFY by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:04:57.188210Z
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@fluffy @p @jack But it's not the Jews. Never the Jews. Divert that focus with unrelated examples before you hurt yourself. Thanks for the book, though! Looks interesting. :coolguy:
(DIR) Post #9uY8l896B4QkAWyrqq by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:28:30.544322Z
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@fluffy @zemichi @jack @nekojanai > If, then, posting winnie the pooh was actually banned in china, why then did so many citizens do it?Did you read the whole thing? They're taking it down.Name an anti-Trump or anti-Obama meme that gets censored in the US.> I am very skeptical of how the western press presents china.We've been over that. I'm skeptical of it, I'm more skeptical of how the White House presents China, but I'm way, way more skeptical of how China presents China.> Naomi WuI followed this. I'm more or less on her side until the part where she starts with the "and it's because I'm an oppressed minority".> how the rest of the fourth estate conspired to prevent her from defending her name."The press circles the wagons to stop people from criticizing the press because journalism is a corrupt institution. What does this mean for your weekend? News at 11!"If you think that is evidence of a government conspiracy to smear China rather than exactly what it looks like, exactly the thing that happens when someone drops a tape where Van Jones says "Nothingburger" or a politician is hostile to the press, then I don't know what to tell you.
(DIR) Post #9uY93JotVoVTaWCexs by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-29T22:31:47.514041Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichiIts just the flu https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31607599/https://academic.oup.com/cid/article/54/12/1778/455098BroHusky_1588199412524_6BKS1IIA2D.…
(DIR) Post #9uY9tNMpZI4zeFtpNg by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:41:12.256769Z
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@nuckfiggers @p @jack @nekojanai @zemichi dude i want that burgerand the girl eating it
(DIR) Post #9uY9yvUW7icuvi8p7Y by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-29T22:42:12.216027Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p @zemichi I wanna eat her patty if u know what I mean
(DIR) Post #9uYA3nrJvYJIht8Iam by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:43:05.325485Z
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@nuckfiggers @jack @nekojanai @p @zemichi i wanna put some mayo between her buns if you know what i mean
(DIR) Post #9uYA7MBok9QU3APm5I by lucky@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-04-29T22:43:42.472474Z
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@fluffy @nuckfiggers @jack @nekojanai @p @zemichi COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!
(DIR) Post #9uYASoEze2EH8A85gW by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-29T22:47:36.219200Z
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@lucky @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p @zemichi https://healthsecurity.csis.org/final-report/Read this report published November 19th Glow niggers knewHusky_1588200454895_KTKA5DCSDD.…
(DIR) Post #9uYAaymUL9g88Zgz8y by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:49:05.073693Z
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@nuckfiggers @lucky @jack @nekojanai @p @zemichi i wanna lewd that dumb-looking blonde in the middle
(DIR) Post #9uYAji8VavkH7X9i4m by moonman@shitposter.club
2020-04-29T22:50:39.173990Z
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@fluffy @nuckfiggers @jack @lucky @nekojanai @p @zemichi
(DIR) Post #9uYAmhOApVCRfguKg4 by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-29T22:51:11.921659Z
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@moonman @fluffy @jack @lucky @nekojanai @p @zemichi god I iwsh that wuz me rn
(DIR) Post #9uYAn4L7V1QIqseibw by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:51:16.168807Z
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@moonman @jack @lucky @nekojanai @nuckfiggers @p @zemichi that guy is a fucking hero
(DIR) Post #9uYAz1t6RPtairFoxM by moonman@shitposter.club
2020-04-29T22:53:25.213819Z
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@fluffy @jack @lucky @nekojanai @nuckfiggers @p @zemichi that anime is a ton of fun, still a good watch.
(DIR) Post #9uYB287biha4vRW7Dk by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2020-04-29T22:53:59.157719Z
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@moonman @fluffy @jack @lucky @nekojanai @nuckfiggers @p @zemichi she just gave him the corona
(DIR) Post #9uYB4uOvBpd7EwwN5U by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T22:54:29.609371Z
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@moonman @jack @lucky @nekojanai @nuckfiggers @p @zemichi yeah i streamed it a couple months back, it was a good time
(DIR) Post #9uYCe5tOYYxIyCXHZA by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T23:12:03.450431Z
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@fluffy @zemichi @jack @nekojanai How'd HBO get banned in China?
(DIR) Post #9uYE7kgo3McnqrLyRU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T23:28:37.349900Z
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@fluffy @zemichi @jack @nekojanai > Oh wait actually it's the reverse. While nearly all of the soviets who got a passport defected, 4x as many chinese prefer to leave free and awesome america and go to awful totalitarian and oppressive china.This is wrong. I have personally seen them buy up houses in Arcadia. Every time the PRC announces a corruption crackdown, the prices of houses goes up because a bunch of Party members come and buy houses in cash. I've seen the pregnancy hotels. I've seen the people staying in them, flocks of 30 very pregnant Chinese women walking around the city, lead by their handler. I know parachute kids. You ever see a high school student drive two blocks to school instead of walking to make sure the other kids know he drives a Maserati? I have. We got a municipal ordinance limiting the number of 8's you could cram into an address (10-20% increase in sale price if it had an 8 in the address and no 4's), you can look that up yourself.Go ahead and tell me that it's just propaganda, though, that's a US government conspiracy, or you could > you are a coward who believes in convenient liesHe's actually correct.
(DIR) Post #9uYEFKpw3bC1zHEtvM by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-29T23:29:58.832706Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi Real ID is gonna stop people from being able to travel
(DIR) Post #9uYEcvCr0ADjRjCqci by allison@blob.cat
2020-04-29T23:34:14.650770Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi And that's not even getting into the not-insignificant demographic of Chinese trans people (who on the whole tend to be *overwhelmingly* well educated and intelligent) filtering into US, Canadian, and European academia like a sieve, dissident opinions and all. They don't return to the Peoples Republic when they graduate, we're like their West Berlin.
(DIR) Post #9uYElF8mlnZ3aXGsvA by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T23:35:45.575478Z
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@zemichi @fluffy @jack @nekojanai :xismug::ddr_r::xi2::ddr_r::pooh:
(DIR) Post #9uYF7gHkWmF699ABVo by a7@pleroma.mouse.services
2020-04-29T23:39:47.309174Z
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@p @zemichi @fluffy @jack @nekojanai china numba 1 fuck youpoohbear.jpgchinanumba1.jpg
(DIR) Post #9uYFLKq33yMBgViWQa by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T23:42:16.939417Z
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@leyonhjelm @Johnny_of_the_swamp @Secftblgirl @fluffy @jack @nekojanai It probably will be for a while.
(DIR) Post #9uYGYOIzaJEy9i2q2a by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T23:55:50.814597Z
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@rasterman @fluffy @jack Bayes leads you to assign "This was a secret Jew conspiracy" a near-zero probability in every case.
(DIR) Post #9uYGs4IpfC0zuVLwAa by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-29T23:59:24.183636Z
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@nuckfiggers @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichiCorona-chan.mp4
(DIR) Post #9uYJ1B1UFMvdGdi7RA by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T00:23:27.546926Z
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@p @fluffy @jack Hey, don't make me get your :mossad: handler, Pete!
(DIR) Post #9uYMc9PZV8AmqXIYEK by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T01:03:45.391650Z
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@nuckfiggers @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi AM I BEING DETAINED?
(DIR) Post #9uYNm5GDt8kUp5E3rU by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T01:16:45.402435Z
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@a7 @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi Shit, I forgot to hit the emoji reload button::xismug::ddr_r::xi2::ddr_r::pooh:
(DIR) Post #9uYPWHNbGKQTgUGffE by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T01:36:18.627027Z
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@rasterman @fluffy @jack He personally approved that post.
(DIR) Post #9uYQ1ojVJ0Ze6YYGjA by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T01:42:00.592031Z
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@p @fluffy @jack You even have QA!? :0080:
(DIR) Post #9uYTsoXT3dXgiGstDk by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T02:25:12.190571Z
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@p @nuckfiggers @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi no, you're welcome to travel unless it's by land, sea, or air
(DIR) Post #9uYUHflwmvlAlQViEa by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-30T02:29:41.509440Z
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@leyonhjelm @p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi humans shouldnt be able to travel where they are unable to walk, its against gods will
(DIR) Post #9uYxwYtSAM6ZyNs480 by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T08:02:01.866631Z
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@p @jack @nekojanai @zemichi I'm talking about poor people trying to run away from an abusive system. You're talking about rich elites. This isn't people running away from tyranny: it's rich elites going elsewhere to have their fun.As written, it sounds like you are saying, "rich people can get away with lots of shit in the usa" - no shit dude. wow stop the presses.
(DIR) Post #9uYyZDZpM1f59e7jpA by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T08:09:01.036926Z
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@p @jack @nekojanai @zemichi HBO's content is licensed to Tencent Video, who streams it there. This is a common arrangement for example Nintendo of America releases Japanese Nintendo products in the US.(memes aside yes I see what you mean but to be fair, John Oliver is blatant propaganda of the worst sort)
(DIR) Post #9uYyh1ZXs31KEviLa4 by nuckfiggers@neckbeard.xyz
2020-04-30T08:10:25.391869Z
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@fluffy @p @jack @nekojanai @zemichi UwU john oliverHusky_1588234224152_3ZOEGOJJJR.…
(DIR) Post #9uZcuzXePkwQxaksXw by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T15:41:09.191824Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi > I'm talking about poor people trying to run away from an abusive system. I know plenty of poor Chinese, too. Like, the sort that might have come to LA in a shipping crate.The thing is, poor people usually don't give a damn about an oppressive system, they care about whether they can eat and hopefully hand their kids a better situation than they had. Lower bricks in Maslow's pyramid tend to cause higher bricks to be ignored, so they're going to be politically engaged to a much lesser extent and as long as China's economy keeps booming, they get what they care about.> You're talking about rich elites.The parachute kids, yes. The people that hire the services of a pregnancy hotel, no, they are not elites. Elites aren't washing dishes at their dad's struggling noodle stand, elites have their papers, so they're not rich elites trying to have fun.
(DIR) Post #9uZdO6JuI9RmNfCtDk by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T15:46:24.841460Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi Yes, I watched about half an episode of the guy's show and that was enough for me to want to never watch John Oliver again. (I can't imagine his jokes about Xi were clever or subtle or even funny, it was probably just smug baizuo shit.)But that's my point: they are so censorious there that they don't even allow Branding Violations, let alone real criticism.
(DIR) Post #9uZeYGiOb9PNTD4cXQ by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T15:59:27.393646Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi the very idea of a "branding violation" is enough to make me not want to be in any contract with such a company.
(DIR) Post #9uZfkE2oSB4CcGtAQ4 by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:12:49.347550Z
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@leyonhjelm @p @jack @nekojanai @zemichi pretty much everyone has branding usage requirements. They write books about this, here is onehttps://saijogeorge.com/brand-style-guide-examples/
(DIR) Post #9uZgE84LEZu6ltrZCa by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:18:13.614456Z
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@fluffy @jack @nekojanai @p @zemichi I'm aware of it, I'm just thinking in terms of the crazy extremes like how Disney operates. In most cases below a certain scale it's more about consistency than iron fisted control of every detail.
(DIR) Post #9uZhmjV0fynMevOvke by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:35:41.145139Z
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@leyonhjelm @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi I read somewhere, some editorial that said China was run more like a corporation than a state and that most of what China does makes a lot more sense if you view it that way and I can't un-think it.
(DIR) Post #9uZhsPq6gQp5QHykVM by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:36:42.767725Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi It's why Pooh is anathema
(DIR) Post #9uZhwTLJbFvVRlViUq by fluffy@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:37:26.751505Z
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@p @leyonhjelm @jack @nekojanai @zemichi Just a thought, but, what is the defense of running a state unlike a corporation?Obviously the way it is run now is totally dysfunctional: endless wars, corruption, and the head of state is chosen by vote between two senile boomers one of which is orange
(DIR) Post #9uZi75yko4RiAd1VK4 by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:39:21.946486Z
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@fluffy @p @jack @nekojanai @zemichi The problem isn't running it like a corporation, it's running it like a malevolent monopoly.
(DIR) Post #9uZih8ZAfEyocVF8F6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:45:52.769005Z
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@leyonhjelm @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi It's why they are at odds: they're too similar, right down to the pageantry. The Catholic Church spends a lot more time talking about how the Protestants are going to hell than Buddhists.
(DIR) Post #9uZiwucWHalk06KcF6 by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:48:43.827392Z
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@fluffy @jack @leyonhjelm @nekojanai @zemichi > Just a thought, but, what is the defense of running a state unlike a corporation?It's not a value judgment, it's just a shift in conceptual model.> endless wars, corruption, and the head of state is chosen by vote between two senile boomersI thought we were talking about China until the part where people got to vote for the head of state. :trumpsmug: > one of which is orangeYOU ARE ORANGE, MR. TOUCH FLUFFY TAIL :senko2:
(DIR) Post #9uZj3xQwDoA8kjH2MS by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:50:00.220888Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi I'd respect the Catholic Church a lot more if they stood by the "tradition" angle that they claim makes them more valid than other Christians instead of blowing on the winds of political expediency.I also don't respect Red China because they are constantly blowing on the winds of political expediency instead of standing on the principles they claim makes them "right".There's a pattern here. It wouldn't make anyone right, and it wouldn't make me "like" them, but it would make them more respectable.
(DIR) Post #9uZjPfdD5dkTuZMqMS by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T16:53:55.666217Z
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@leyonhjelm @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi Yeah, most corporations, even if they suck, let you go home at the end of the day and can't shoot you for a contract violation.
(DIR) Post #9uZkWzB8ub5sW9I7KC by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T17:06:27.293821Z
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@leyonhjelm @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi > Catholic ChurchI just meant that as an illustration that adjacent frequences are dissonant, the similar thing is worse than the completely foreign thing.> they are constantly blowing on the winds of political expediencyIndeed. I mean, stated principles, anyway. The real principles are "Keep the CCP from ever losing ground".
(DIR) Post #9uZl08kOPnyiakgHdw by leyonhjelm@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T17:11:43.430703Z
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@p @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi I'm just pointing out that if any organization is ideologically driven but doesn't feel compelled to actually reflect that ideology, it's really discrediting.
(DIR) Post #9uZmYYNNjZavsVtJjM by p@freespeechextremist.com
2020-04-30T17:29:08.895158Z
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@leyonhjelm @fluffy @jack @nekojanai @zemichi Yeah, I'm with you on that.