Post 9tsViDMDSW5tHopeFM by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9tsPoIuV7uIgWNOBRQ by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:21:28Z
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Wow. Joe Ressington has been fired from Jupiter Broadcasting.
(DIR) Post #9tsQMbI5IMOfNAm2Ma by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-04-09T19:27:35Z
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@kev Uh what. Do you have a link to that tweet?
(DIR) Post #9tsQijF0Pt9WOvsx2u by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:31:41Z
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@amolith https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/1248282904729395203?s=20
(DIR) Post #9tsQvLhPFwWN9TBfsm by the_codebalion@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:33:53Z
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@kev Well... After reading up on it, I think I'll be unsubscribing from JB's feeds.
(DIR) Post #9tsR8fmxsHlJDu8mDw by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-04-09T19:36:17Z
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@kev Damn :thonking: He's one of my favourite hosts. Glad he's still doing LNL though
(DIR) Post #9tsRb4tE8w7vBHc8yO by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:41:30Z
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@the_codebalion reading up on it? Has it been elaborate on somewhere?
(DIR) Post #9tsRlV0JuBdt4LtviS by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:43:24Z
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@amolith yeah, me too. User error and LNL are my favourites.I’ve been thinking about becoming a patron for a while, think I’ll do it now.C**t is an awful word, but the punishment doesn’t fit the crime IMO.
(DIR) Post #9tsRnu8dQbpJbHwArY by mplammers@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:43:53Z
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@kev I think there are many ways to say "cunt" that would be ok, but there are equally many that would justify such an outcome, and we cannot judge this by only reading one tweet from one side of the story. It matters a great deal at which person this derogation was directed and in which context, hierarchical relation, past incidents and so on.
(DIR) Post #9tsS4aDKl7yCjI5Wk4 by the_codebalion@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:46:49Z
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@kev Just in the thread. In particular, he mentions even apologizing and offering to take training, but they just made the decision final.https://twitter.com/JoeRessington/status/1248289890434985987Zero-tolerance policies really don't sit well with me, especially over such innocuous things like this. Things happen, people can apologize and better themselves. Not giving such a chance is akin to some concepts that I won't mention on this instance due to their political nature.
(DIR) Post #9tsS6Lr971a8mKYMQi by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T19:47:13Z
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@mplammers very true.
(DIR) Post #9tsSc7LiaGyx3L04wq by 9iXcMi23bT7adhJMSe.thor@social.thorjhanson.com
2020-04-09T19:51:24Z
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Also gotta remember that where Joe's from this word carries much, much less weight than in the US.
(DIR) Post #9tsSzSmh3TLGC1kYO8 by emory@soc.kvet.ch
2020-04-09T19:57:02Z
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@kev i don't dig any dude saying that word but i don't mind if women do. fwiw i would have gone to HR if i told them it bothered me, and they did it again or mocked me for finding it offensive.
(DIR) Post #9tsTMJJcQV2dUC2qIa by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:01:14Z
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@thor I’m British also. It carries less weight in the south, where he is from. Up here in the north, it’s still pretty offensive. Wouldn’t sack someone for using the word though!
(DIR) Post #9tsTVaKuVqjIsi4Uds by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:02:56Z
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@emory agreed if someone finds it offensive. But Joe says in the thread that he apologised and offered to do any training etc. Wasn’t good enough though it seems.If someone is remorseful, that’s usually good enough for me. As someone else said though, we don’t have all the context.
(DIR) Post #9tsUGAATciNnKfOwKm by emory@soc.kvet.ch
2020-04-09T20:11:18Z
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@kev i take allyship very seriously and i definitely don't want to make people uncomfortable or feel unsafe. i would want to make it right but they're under no obligation to find that sufficient! you're right that without context i don't know how it would feel; but i wouldn't have used that word in the first place either. it's something canadians and the english are wrong about imo 🤷🏻♂️😂
(DIR) Post #9tsUK4RspU6AkjPG40 by DonMcCollough@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:11:55Z
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@kev @amolith I know, it's not like it was a racial slur or something (like PapaJohns)
(DIR) Post #9tsVWdfBpOeFOkBf8a by Opunsosu@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:25:03Z
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@kev Wow! I have been listening to Joe R. for years now.
(DIR) Post #9tsVY6U0AAll4OeVpg by humbug@chaos.social
2020-04-09T20:25:22Z
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@kev so sad
(DIR) Post #9tsViDMDSW5tHopeFM by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:27:32Z
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@kev I've never liked Joe and quit listening to all of his shows. But this is harsh. It's not that I don't like him. He seems like his heart is in the right place. I just don't like his "I hate everything" vibe he gives. Finally got tired of it and dropped all Joe feeds from my catcher.But the C word is known to be in his on air vocabulary.Seems like the wrong move to me. But, "Oh well."
(DIR) Post #9tsVjZtR9mZxTB1Mgq by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:27:56Z
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@kev He'd definitely have gotten canned here. Super fast. His desk would have been cleaned out and he would have been dumped on the sidewalk so fast he'd have gotten whiplash. And that's if he used air quotes around it.@emory
(DIR) Post #9tsW7hNEzlipcXSmCe by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:32:17Z
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@mike that explains a lot.@emory
(DIR) Post #9tsWBzXNPDsl70Fcvo by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:32:59Z
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@jason_s_dodd yeah, the negativity can get a little old at times.
(DIR) Post #9tsWkVz1HNXpaRdv7o by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:39:18Z
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@kev Yea, I can totally understand Jupiter's perspective. About 20 years ago I worked with a couple guys who got written up for sexual harassment because they were talking (at work) about an article in the paper about a strip club. Crass jokes were made. They took the training, etc. After that, team dynamics got really weird. Another complaint was filed because they'd stop talking when she came in the room. Eventually several of the people involved left the company.@emory
(DIR) Post #9tsXCE43UiNW7ZDCUa by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:44:15Z
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@kev Same reason I stopped listening to Lunduke.
(DIR) Post #9tsXmLdwnGSm3GDymu by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:50:43Z
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@mike @kev @emory "Another complaint was filed because they'd stop talking when she came in the room"If I were there "she" might need to be changed to "he" because I don't appreciate that at work either.We got to stop being offensive to folks and realize the people making the jokes about other people aren't the ones who gets to decide if the jokes are offensive.
(DIR) Post #9tsYJWvRrphCbDEV9M by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T20:56:47Z
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@jason_s_dodd I agree, though I have to clarify that in this case that didn't happen. The person who filed the complaint overheard a conversation between two of her coworkers. Given, it was not a subject for a professional environment, but the conversation wasn't about her. I only brought it up to illustrate how an infraction such as Joe's can make a work environment extremely uncomfortable and unproductive, regardless of whether or not he's remorseful.@kev @emory
(DIR) Post #9tsYeX3yYE8t6hEhCi by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T21:00:36Z
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@mike @kev @emory Understood and agreed. I've had to look at my own behavior and realize things I used to do are not only inappropriate at work, but also unacceptable. I hope things work out for Joe and can't judge because I don't have context. But we have to get our heads around what's ok at work even if we think we're only around friends.
(DIR) Post #9tsZ9AS4fYltxM7Fui by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T21:06:10Z
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@jason_s_dodd Absolutely, and I don't have all the information about this incident, but without knowing Joe personally I'm not seeing a lot of remorse in that Tweet. I see a pretty passive aggressive comment, and I don't doubt that kind of behavior would have seeped into the work place had he stayed. In the case I witnessed, 5 or 6 people ended up leaving the company, and half of them weren't even involved in the original incident. Behavior like that is why.@kev @emory
(DIR) Post #9tsafl0YOEdcYPLame by simon@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T21:23:06Z
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@kevI still don't get it. I don't ever use that language, but even such language, even if deemed unprofessional or offensive ,justifies a word from the boss about expectations, rather than cancel culture without mercy. Seems odd and harsh, if this is a lone incident@mike @emory
(DIR) Post #9tsbI7YozJ0zVJfXLU by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-04-09T21:30:03Z
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@kev I think I will as well. I'm really curious about what the context is
(DIR) Post #9tsez5tZM4cseaYYaG by oranje@cybre.space
2020-04-09T22:11:27Z
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@kevMan, that sucks. Linux Action News has ended with his departure. Joe brought much to the table. The good he did far outweighs the bad. Besides, that's classic Joe. He's always had a potty mouth, you knew that's what you were getting. I wonder if it was really a money thing and if there will be more thinning of the herd. Might hurt Ubuntu podcast too since he was editing their shows. I wish Joe all the best, hoping a new door opens for him. Wondering who got him fired.🤔
(DIR) Post #9tsisoKg8ijKGMUoPw by oranje@cybre.space
2020-04-09T22:55:12Z
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@mikeI think reporting someone like that, without first discussing it with them is a shitty thing to do to someone. Something similar happened in my workplace by a newer employee who needed help and guidance from everyone in the group. That help and guidance was not forthcoming after the incident and that individual ended up finding another job. Of course, by then, it was all too late for the person that had lost their career over it.@jason_s_dodd @kev @emory
(DIR) Post #9tslIygCUXmhn8ASW0 by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T23:05:07Z
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@oranje @mike @kev @emory I suppose it depends upon the details. But how many training courses, emails, notifications, #metoo posts, yearly diversity training courses does one need to go through to get that there are limits to what is ok at work?Especially if it's the kind of situation I've seen more than I'd like where the person is also a bully one would rather not confront and in an environment which has let the behavior persist.
(DIR) Post #9tslIzgakZgwudMHlQ by oranje@cybre.space
2020-04-09T23:08:36Z
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@jason_s_doddIn this case there is also a cultural issue that obviously wasn't taken into consideration. Agree, like it or not, that term is somewhat acceptable in Joe's culture. He was the only true Brit working there. He should have been counselled before losing his job over it.@mike @kev @emory
(DIR) Post #9tslJ0yLy1Ueu0fz5U by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T23:22:22Z
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@oranje I'm not convinced that's a good policy. The individual adapts to the corporate culture, and the culture of the surrounding society, not the other way around. In a general sense (not referring to this incident specifically), you wouldn't allow sexist behavior because an individual comes from a sexist culture. It may be "OK" in Joe's culture to use that kind of language, but as you say, he was the only true Brit there. @jason_s_dodd @kev @emory
(DIR) Post #9tsnlxC1IYSpUDzmoy by jason_s_dodd@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T23:50:01Z
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@mike @oranje @kev @emory "you wouldn't allow sexist behavior because an individual comes from a sexist culture"This is done all too often. "That's just how Jim is. He's harmless."
(DIR) Post #9tsnsEo4iv2dqtnAe0 by mike@fosstodon.org
2020-04-09T23:51:10Z
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@jason_s_dodd Indeed, but that should be a problem, not policy.@oranje @kev @emory
(DIR) Post #9tspU4JGIcNqFqyy0G by oranje@cybre.space
2020-04-10T00:09:08Z
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@mike @jason_s_dodd @kev @emory I don't think it should be standard policy to give someone a pass but in this case, there was a cultural difference that should have been taken into account. To a fault, I tend to give first-time offenders a pass. That's my bent, especially if it's someone I like.
(DIR) Post #9tubuBLXkVJoZ9Wjjs by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-04-10T20:46:17Z
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@kev Here's an announcement from Chris for the Linux Action Show.https://linuxactionnews.com/153He makes it seem as if Joe said something to someone at Linux Academy and they made the decision to fire him; I don't think Jupiter Broadcasting had much say in the matter.
(DIR) Post #9tubvEoWLK7TbqaIQi by amolith@social.nixnet.services
2020-04-10T20:46:34Z
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@kev Here's an announcement from Chris for Linux Action News.https://linuxactionnews.com/153He makes it seem as if Joe said something to someone at Linux Academy and they made the decision to fire him; I don't think Jupiter Broadcasting had much say in the matter.
(DIR) Post #9tuhUsOFgsREG96uiO by Dekkard@fosstodon.org
2020-04-10T21:48:58Z
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@kev maybe he will find a home on the Destination Linux Network. I know that I have not been doing much on Jupiter..
(DIR) Post #9tukdEnOZSRvvbY8rg by kev@fosstodon.org
2020-04-10T22:24:13Z
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@amolith I listened to that earlier. Very sad.
(DIR) Post #9tvNDzQmSKvbFQvKOe by hawaiiboy@fosstodon.org
2020-04-11T05:36:03Z
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@mike @kev @emory I managed restaurants for decades, sexual innuendo and edgy comments are rampant from both sides and the middle. Every once and a while someone would complain and it would send ripples. We’d try to keep the persons privacy, but invariably they would find out who. They usually left. It’s nearly impossible to change that pirate ship culture.