Post 9pyHZFHMJCFQHmYQiW by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
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(DIR) Post #9pvBHtug9myB9iTczg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-13T11:54:23Z
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Hey netizens, please, *please* stop doing unpaid marketing work for YouTube by embedding their videos on your websites. I understand continuing to upload videos there to reach the large audience that already use it, but that doesn't mean you have to link to them. If you also upload your videos on a #PeerTube instance, or some other more independent video host, and embed those on your sites, you can help to grow the audience for ethical video hosting networks.https://instances.joinpeertube.org/
(DIR) Post #9pvWW3Y9DtQY8PWs4W by inkoo@mastodon.ml
2019-12-13T15:52:09Z
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@strypey good idea, but not new. This has been talked about many times, but site owners do not pay attention to it.
(DIR) Post #9pvf4g5HG7LN7s2r68 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-13T17:28:14Z
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@strypey Another option: host the videos yourself.It doesn't have to be complicated, just put the file on your server and link to it with a <video controls> tag.
(DIR) Post #9pvgKFsUYp8OR73Yxs by thatbrickster@shitposter.club
2019-12-13T17:42:28.154552Z
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@strypey NutritionFacts.org does this. They upload videos to their server but embed a YouTube video instead.
(DIR) Post #9px0BwtkaaOmEurDe4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T08:59:32Z
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@alcinnz > on your server I don't have a server. Most net users don't have a server. If publishing text on the web, let alone video, required having a server, the net would still be a niche medium for geeks like it was in the early 90s.
(DIR) Post #9px23bN4wS9B4Bisnw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T09:20:32Z
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@thatbrickster probably because they don't know about #WebTorrent and don't want to be hit with huge bandwidth fees if one of their videos goes viral. There must be thousands of webmasters doing this and they need educating.
(DIR) Post #9px3ZBGddARTKNKfHk by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T09:36:22Z
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@inkoo to paraphrase @TheGibson the future is already here, it's just unevenly distributed ;)
(DIR) Post #9pxa1Yf3RZLCWXKOqO by bhaugen@bob.mikorizal.org
2019-12-14T15:29:48.023182Z
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@strypey In the early 90s, I had an internet service provider who gave everybody their own server automatically, just needed to follow some easy config instructions. As usual, the tech world has been crapified...@alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9pxa1ZErIRysJa4zeS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T15:40:57Z
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@bhaugen I feel like there's some lost history there, of exactly how and why this happened. When I got online in the late 90s, I feel like this was still kind of a thing. But they had also started offering much cheaper "all you can eat" net connections to people who just wanted to browse and chat. That made the net much more accessible to more people, but at the expense of the ability to be a first class netizen.@alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9pxiycFmWvK0NsB9JQ by IRC@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-12-14T17:21:35.312023Z
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@alcinnz @strypey yelling at the wind doesn't fix the systemic problems.I wish you luck feasibly allowing self hosted or gifted hosting at negative profit.It's called YouTube for a reason.
(DIR) Post #9pxksAhQGLpl65A8Dw by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-14T17:42:34Z
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@strypey Well, I was assuming that if you had a website you had *some sort of* server you could upload media to...And how I wish browsers built in one of those peer-to-peer DHT protocols? That'd partially adress the need for a server, though you'd still need one for reliability.
(DIR) Post #9pxniUAnIxKySbyR6m by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T18:14:25Z
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@alcinnz > I was assuming that if you had a website you had *some sort of* server you could upload media toFair point. But most net users don't have a website on their own server. They use some kind of third-party service like Wix or Squarespace, for the same reasons they upload video to YouTube; a) they can't afford the hosting fees, and b) they don't have the skills to admin their own server. This is why I'm suggesting replacement web services. It's accessible to anyone.
(DIR) Post #9pxny4m5VH9IK0qrLs by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-14T18:17:21Z
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@strypey Wix & Squarespace can't host videos?Wouldn't be the first time Wix surprised me...
(DIR) Post #9pxoc2hqc48pURvSm8 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T18:24:27Z
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@alcinnz > Wix & Squarespace can't host videos?Not on the gratis plan. Maybe on some of the more expensive paid plans. Again, there's a reason people use YouTube (or Vimeo or other corporate datafarms).
(DIR) Post #9pxoyEQNj1lWCkKwaW by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T18:28:31Z
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@alcinnz > how I wish browsers built in one of those peer-to-peer DHT protocolsSounds a bit like #Beaker browser?https://hacks.mozilla.org/2018/08/dweb-serving-the-web-from-the-browser-with-beaker/
(DIR) Post #9pxpZPMs07XyrLQBd2 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-12-14T18:35:28.436319Z
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@strypey @alcinnz this but lose the webshit
(DIR) Post #9pxq0fMcdVW8HyIqsC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T18:39:38Z
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@xj9 which bits are are those, and what do you propose replacing them with (setting you up to put in a plug for your decentralized architecture proposal - go for it!)@alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9pxqAKtzZF7pivWSY4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-14T18:41:57Z
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@alcinnz I've only leased server resources as part of collective projects I've served on the governance bodies of, but the impression I get is that you get charged separately for both storage and bandwidth. So even if nobody watches your videos, it costs you money every month just to keep them on your server. The centralization of the webhosting industry into giant datacentres has typical #monopoly effects.
(DIR) Post #9pxrL5v1iPJIORhTwe by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-12-14T18:55:12Z
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@strypey @alcinnz In my experience, people host videos on YouTube or Vimeo because even a small number of hits will eat into your data (bandwidth) allowance in no time. A 100k webpage versus 100MB video makes a huge difference.
(DIR) Post #9py2zV2mopMDOenboO by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-12-14T21:05:51.335992Z
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@strypey @alcinnz elm to start with. strongly typed FRP in a component oriented architecture. the language isn't so important, but the typing discipline is important for eventful systems. think "kafka meets elixir with a strong dose of KISS". tracker is supposed to be cross platform, currently targeting web. once we have some of the ui patterns worked out I want to shift gears to develop a native platform in chicken scheme. we'll be borrowing a lot from racket to make a solid native platform for developing languages and make elm compile to efficient machine code. the scheme platform will bind to some cross platform libs for graphics, thinking Cairo and OpenGL ES right now. protocol-wise I want to keep the component architecture so its easy to swap out networking stacks. currently planning on building on top of bit torrent and couchdb, but future versions will use named data networking (NDN). I want to keep the language diversity in the system to a minimum so you can work anywhere with the same basic tools: Elm, Scheme, C. I do want to be friendly to experimenting with language concepts, so the scheme based language platform is going to be important. I want to change where we draw the line between engineers and users. applications as we currently know them should be replaced with easy to use programming tools that users can use to take the replicated datas and transform them into comfortable interfaces that work precisely how the user means them to without interference from developers.https://xj9.io/posts/2019/programming-for-the-next-billionhttps://walkaway.wiki/Tracker/https://git.sunshinegardens.org/xj9/x/bbnet/https://git.sunshinegardens.org/xj9/g/tracker/
(DIR) Post #9py8IKG9deeJDqqeZc by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-14T17:50:53Z
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@IRC @strypey For what it's worth, I am actively trying to solve some of these systemic issues. But I don't have all the answers and there's only so much I can do alone.
(DIR) Post #9py8NqvnarAg02xjxw by IRC@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-12-14T22:06:17.048831Z
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@alcinnz 400 error, could not favourite this post.
(DIR) Post #9pyHQLdbIW3BOuiOkS by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-14T21:18:15Z
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@xj9 @strypey Hmmm, I don't know if I have my mind entirely wrapped around your ideas here.But it does sound like something I enjoy thinking about hypothetically, even though I'm busy exploring other ideas I find personally more interesting.The best of luck!
(DIR) Post #9pyHZFHMJCFQHmYQiW by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-12-14T23:49:10.800712Z
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@alcinnz @strypey kinda hard to condense them into this format. i'll try to expand some in future blog posts :)
(DIR) Post #9pyLMhPwmKzfbkqPoW by krozruch@eupublic.social
2019-12-15T00:31:36Z
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@fitheach And a habit of recording video and putting it on your server means a further step from hosted to virtual server rental to having a physical server with some hardcore raid setup I don't understand. I administer servers now (mostly rental, one a community favour), but video storage is impractical on all of them.@strypey @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9pzbVru4xDWHA1IBkm by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-12-15T15:07:17Z
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@krozruch Even the cheapest VPS offers, often come with 20GB. That potentially could be a lot of videos. That wouldn't be the problem. If you had some popular videos your cheap VPS probably couldn't support the requests, and your bandwidth would be gone in no time.@strypey @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9pzkEBv6h3SJcFQ2K0 by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-15T16:44:50Z
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@fitheach @krozruch @strypey And still there's ways around that bandwidth problem, primarily BitTorrent. How I hate how much that's been villified?
(DIR) Post #9pzkmWGHZQoYY9gzlg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-15T16:50:55Z
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@alcinnz ... which brings up back to PeerTube, which uses WebTorrent, which uses BitTorrent, and which non-geek webmasters can use to upload their videos to existing instances and embed those on their sites, which is a solution that is accessible to people *now* ;)@fitheach @krozruch
(DIR) Post #9pzlLtc4k4Hz6nkrhY by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-12-15T16:57:31Z
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@strypey ... and it's as slow as treacle. I'll grant you, I've not watched that many videos from PeerTube, but they have all stuttered or stopped. Sorry, that is just the truth.I'm not on some superfast fibre broadband, but then not all users are. I rarely, if ever, had problems with YT or Vimeo, for example.@alcinnz @krozruch
(DIR) Post #9pzmTT5dL3dr7Rks4G by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-12-15T17:10:11.081080Z
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@fitheach @krozruch @alcinnz @strypey bit torrent can stream HD video just fine. if there's a problem with peertube its that servers don't do enough proactive seeding to help keep the swarms healthy.if you want proof download webtorrent.io and grab a popular video torrent from somewhere.
(DIR) Post #9pzpSbzV3iMAIYAYgy by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-12-15T17:43:34Z
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@xj9 @krozruch @alcinnz @strypey @fitheach > if there's a problem with peertube its that servers don't do enough proactive seeding to help keep the swarms healthyYeah, that's exactly the issue, and yes, it happens. People usually can't spend that much on servers and it's extremely rare to have viewers constantly seeding every video you upload.
(DIR) Post #9pzpzrYAEPh86tEqMS by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-15T17:49:30Z
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@fitheach > I've not watched that many videos from PeerTube, but they have all stuttered or stopped. When did you last try it? I had that experience early on and reported it in a number of issues of their code forge. The last few times I remember trying it, it was pretty good. I guess YMMV depending on the power of the server hosting a particular video. Swarm effects only kick in when a number of users are watching the same video on the same instance at once.@alcinnz @krozruch @xj9
(DIR) Post #9pzqRRtZD0roeSP584 by krozruch@eupublic.social
2019-12-15T17:54:27Z
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@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @xj9 It has improved to some degree but I have a good connection. I have rarely, if ever, watched a video anyone else is watching, but I upload to it and embed and though I hear there was little in the way of moderation tools early on, I have seen it improve so there's reason for hope.
(DIR) Post #9pzqmQLs8twhwhe2jY by krozruch@eupublic.social
2019-12-15T17:58:11Z
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@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @xj9 I think my girlfriend watched The Internet's Own Boy on it months ago. She's allergic to all things Linux (anything clunky and un-slick counts) but managed fine. Too early to say YouTube's days are numbered etc. but people could be converted slowly and, yes, by not embedding that horrible Googly crap to return to the original point.
(DIR) Post #9pzrEFkJAVSPA1LPoO by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-12-15T18:03:20Z
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@strypey I watched a few this week, albeit only the first 5 minutes as I decided they weren't for me.Since my self-imposed abstinence from everything Google I might even have more motivation to watch stuff on PeerTube(s). However, my viewing tends to be driven by particular needs (news, for example) rather than looking for something to pass the time. For my needs the PTs don't have the desired content.@krozruch @alcinnz @xj9
(DIR) Post #9pzrW1kPx6KkxTs3yi by krozruch@eupublic.social
2019-12-15T18:06:34Z
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@fitheach @strypey @alcinnz @xj9 It's in want of curation, for sure. I hit on something here and there and showed a couple of things to my advanced English students. They liked this, for example: https://betamax.video/videos/watch/4b607025-dbab-4bc2-8f9a-804dd5389906
(DIR) Post #9pztlYHpSIjq801sye by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-15T18:31:32Z
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@krozruch advanced searching and sorting tools that put the user in charge, rather than opaque algorithms, needs to be a major area of research for the fediverse as a whole. Especially as #FunkWhale and other such apps start federating and adding even more multimedia content to the network.@fitheach @alcinnz @xj9
(DIR) Post #9pzuglhKGVhOEEEpfM by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-12-15T18:42:08Z
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@strypey Have you seen this?https:// peertube-index.net/Hat tip:@GidiKroon @krozruch @alcinnz @xj9
(DIR) Post #9pzvNrmhVjebYfIr0i by krozruch@eupublic.social
2019-12-15T18:49:55Z
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@fitheach Handy. Top tip.
(DIR) Post #9q06bbkN2ARjMty59k by krozruch@eupublic.social
2019-12-15T20:55:26Z
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@strypey @fitheach @alcinnz @xj9 I keep meaning to look into FunkWhale. I saw they have been moving towards podcasts. I'm looking into embedding a lot of this stuff in a Flask application. Ideally, I would show YouTube etc with a privacy [etc.] warning but prefer PeerTube (configured on a user-by-user basis) or archive.org video.
(DIR) Post #9q07bbYZqD3AjU0wSG by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-15T21:06:30Z
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@strypey @alcinnz to be fair, a very serviceable dedicated server instance from DigitalOcean/Vultr/Linode and many others is about USD5/month, or USD60/year... that's pretty affordable. I think everyone should have one.
(DIR) Post #9q08wvNBSZU2E8Pmuu by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-15T21:12:45Z
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@strypey @alcinnz what's even better, they're largely commodity - you could move from one provider to the next quickly (if you use containers to implement your services and eschew any proprietary provider services). You'll find that the bandwidth allowances are at least a TB/month, which should be fine for hosting video if you want.
(DIR) Post #9q08wyiZ1XMsbJRP9s by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-15T21:20:30Z
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@strypey @alcinnz in terms of educational investment - even a USD10/month instance is a pretty cheap educational tool... and I'll stick my neck out and assert that any (would-be) sysadmin without their own server... isn't up to it. Gotta have a place to experiment, break stuff, and learn. It's not anywhere near as hard as many might think.
(DIR) Post #9q0C8eePl2LjhZl9FY by jamesmullarkey@w3c.social
2019-12-15T21:57:33Z
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@strypey We don't need YouTubehttps://notochrome.org/google-products/youtube/
(DIR) Post #9q0ygN6OJ0N4v9zLhw by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T07:01:26Z
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@krozruch have you looked at invidio.us?@fitheach @alcinnz @xj9
(DIR) Post #9q0yzcRZURAo0K4bqq by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-12-16T07:04:58Z
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@strypey @krozruch @fitheach @xj9 If you feel need to link to any videos on YouTube, I recommend linking to those same videos on PeerTube instead. It's independant frontend that offers such (to me necessities) as downloads and webfeeds, at least it did last I checked.
(DIR) Post #9q0z6jRpqYQ1kqaXzM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T07:06:09Z
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@lightweight > I think everyone should have one.Add "access to" to that sentence and I totally agree. There are thousands of kiwis on precarious incomes making choices between going to the doctor ($40 with a Community Services card) or buying groceries this week. Topping up their mobile data so they can stay in touch with friends is a stretch. US$5 may not seem like much to you, but it's an unaffordable luxury for them. That's in a rich country like NZ. Then there's China ...@alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9q0zvt5rkBamRGhn84 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T07:15:30Z
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@fitheach thanks for the tip, I've been wanting something like that for a while. I note the irony of a centralized search portal for a federated network, but then I guess the web itself is a federated network so Goggle et al are similarly ironic ;)@GidiKroon @krozruch @alcinnz @xj9
(DIR) Post #9q111exJJzVIHZ1IB6 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T07:27:45Z
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@lightweight before we moved to China I spent about 20 years living on about NZ$200 a week so I could do fulltime activism. All my work helping bootstrap Aotearoa Indymedia and CC ANZ, all funded by the "community wage", as they used to call it. I know what it is to dumpster food to make ends meet, or to be at the supermarket and have to ask the checkout workers to put some of your basic groceries back because this week's money won't stretch. In those situations, every dollar is gold.@alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9q1EVTsSNDki10Idfc by lightweight@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T09:58:43Z
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@strypey @alcinnz fair enough.
(DIR) Post #9q1NC1WITrmS9SjPpA by unfa@mastodon.social
2019-12-16T11:36:08Z
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@strypey Funny. I just learned the PeerTube instance I used is closing in two weeks.
(DIR) Post #9q1S6PFpp61ZnQAkFs by greatjoe@todon.nl
2019-12-16T12:31:06Z
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@strypey I'll consider peertube when there's an instance that's not full of nazis and doesn't have a front page full of porn.
(DIR) Post #9q1SM6XBBz2QMylpsO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T12:33:52Z
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@unfa Yeah, that happens. We're just having a discussion in the #Feneas chat room about some ways we could help to reduce instance churn. TL;DR it makes sense to me to encourage a smaller number of community-hosted instances with larger sysadmin teams, and systems for training less experienced admins, rather than a foam of ephemeral hobby instances dependent on the motivation and availability of a single #BDFL sysadmin. As well as closed sign-up personal and organizations instances of course.
(DIR) Post #9q1VAhCvJdrQUtY0gq by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T13:05:32Z
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@greatjoe I don't know how you got into that filter bubble, but I never see those things on PT (unless I'm looking for them) ;) #vidcommons.org has neither Nazis nor porn. Also peertube-index.net does it's best to exclude NSFW videos and has a reporting system for when they get through its filters.
(DIR) Post #9q1ZQpo1VxrzcAqs4m by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-12-16T13:53:18Z
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@strypey The Fediverse, in general, could do with a meta search engine. Mastodon's Web UI has a great search facility for *my* own posts, but finding other people's posts is impossible. Something like that PeerTube search for text would encourage a lot more interaction *within* the Fediverse.@GidiKroon @krozruch @alcinnz @xj9
(DIR) Post #9q1b0lLxe9IaBUQCLA by GidiKroon@mastodon.social
2019-12-16T14:11:00Z
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@fitheach @strypey search on Mastodon is restricted on purpose to stuff you have a relation to. This is an anti-harassment feature. People would frown upon an index for posts. (Though I seem to recall one existed at some point)As an alternative you could use the search features of the Mastodon UI on a Pleroma server, this gives all locally known results. Useful, especially if the server is connected to a good relay.
(DIR) Post #9q1vqRqNAUFpHNdEEC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T17:46:29Z
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@lightweight hey sorry if that came across more ranty than intended :{ I just think it's important to make it visible. A single unemployed person in Ak lives on $250-$300 a week:https://www.workandincome.govt.nz/products/benefit-rates/benefit-rates-at-1-april-2019.htmlMedian rent for a room in a board house in Ak is $215:https://www.tenancy.govt.nz/rent-bond-and-bills/market-rent/People are really hurting out there and it's not getting better, despite the new government talking a good game about being "transformative". @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9q1vqmnxEfnWHxf5sG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T17:49:16Z
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Then there are the guys being released from prison with $300 in their pocket, no benefit, no bank account, no ID. It's like we've build a machine for making people break the law to survive. It's not only mean-spirited, it's self-sabotaging. With proper support, those people could be contributing back to the community and would be happier doing so.@lightweight @alcinnz
(DIR) Post #9q1w8I0CUtHVy8jh68 by greatjoe@todon.nl
2019-12-16T14:53:51Z
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@strypey Literally all I did was scroll down your listing and clicked on the first English-language instance.
(DIR) Post #9q1wFOB3w7PV9FCa7E by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T17:20:45Z
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@GidiKroon > This is an anti-harassment feature.Which is ludicrous, given that, as you say, the instructions for getting around it are: 1) don't use Mastodon. So it's 0% effective at stopping harassment. But really effective at stopping non-geek Mastodon users searching the federation for vegan recipes or photos of cats or whatnot. The only reason the text search feature got rolled back was Gargron getting dogpiled by an army of overly sensitive, narcissistic control freaks.@fitheach
(DIR) Post #9q1ypQqbgc7XlKwrOC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-12-16T17:08:28Z
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@espectalll the other problem is the disconnect between #WebTorrent and #BitTorrent swarms. Ideally, people could share bandwidth with PeerTube instances from home by downloading PT videos using a normal BT client and seeding them. But it doesn't seem to work this way.@xj9 @krozruch @alcinnz @fitheach