Post 9pw3ZDibAbU91nXA2q by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
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(DIR) Post #9puoS356cvBhXZDwPY by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T07:38:46Z
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Living on the other side of the world it’s not really my place to opine about this UK election but I have thoughts. One is that it would be really good for GC feminists to get out in front of the narrative. “Conservatives only ones who weren’t going to prioritise GRA self-ID. It wasn’t just about Brexit it was also about woke fascism.”“LibDems should have been the destination for ex Labour voters disgusted with the anti-Semitism. But the leader lost her seat mainly because she couldn’t define woman. LibDems proves they were all for transladies and not at all for women. That’s why they didn’t pick up more of the Labour vote.”“Cherry and McAlpine won the SNP lots of votes from LibDems and Labour despite the party manifesto. Women who were paying attention to this noticed.”In politics, the narrative is more important than the “truth”. Get in front of the narrative.
(DIR) Post #9puojEcayRmSFq5DyC by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T07:41:53Z
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Also “Jo Swinson should have won her dear but her anti-lesbian statements and refusal to support women tipped the result over the line. That’s why she did worse than her party overall.”Get these Narratives out there @LangCleg 😀
(DIR) Post #9pupyZmefvvsBafSrY by SouerTeresa@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T07:55:52Z
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@Dyketagnan @LangCleg yeah cos Tories have really protected women over the last 9 years and will continue to? Have you read Alstons report on our benefit system? Seen the mums at foodbanks. Im off social media for a while. Never liked most humans anyway.
(DIR) Post #9puqHEIWmeIp3CTF2G by AprilTui@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T07:59:14Z
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But you cannot surely want any party that is not only not prepared to define what a woman is, crucial if you want to campaign on ANY issue affecting us, but also not prepared to uphold democracy and only introduce laws that reflect what the people want. It was never going to be a good result. This is the lesser of all the evils @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9puryXgifQ4Tav0FhA by Robotpuppy@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:18:17Z
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@AprilTui @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg Every party was fucked on the issue of gender identity. A Tory majority now is a major fucking disaster. Anyone needing anything from the welfare system is fucked. Anyone disabled is fucked. Anyone planning to use the NHS should push for treatment/whatever to happen asap, because the NHS is fucked. Anyone not white is fucked, because racism is going to be emboldened, just like what happened after the Trump was elected. We are going to be led by a party of lying, bigoted, anti poor incompetents. This is a fucking disaster and I'm sick of single issue takes on the world.
(DIR) Post #9pusi1EXfF7uG9VZI0 by AprilTui@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:26:30Z
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And I’m fucking sick of people expecting women to centre everything else! So looks like everyone is sick of politics! @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9putY1Zbe7cWN69uj2 by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:35:54Z
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@AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan Tag isn't talking about what IS right or wrong. She's talking about what is PERCEIVED TO BE right or wrong.Yes darling - for example, I'm hoping some of the dozens of threads, some with almost a thousand posts, on MN of women explaining why they spoiled their ballots will make it into media reporting.Those on Twitter should post examples for reporters to notice.That said - it's hard with such deeply conflicting emotions this morning. I'm glad Wokeism has been sent a message (and I mean patronising posh Wokeism across the board, not jut re: gender) but I'm also horribly sad. Another five years for me of desperately trying to keep the doors of the local community centre open and handing out tins of bean in the food bank. It's hard to get it together and strategise, you know?
(DIR) Post #9putsTBggduXo6iiUC by Pinstripe@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:39:34Z
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Starving women die as well as starving old people and starving ex servicemen. By their OWN admission the Tories let over 10000 people die waiting for support in this country. @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9puu9vWKbBKUbShTsm by AprilTui@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:42:43Z
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How do we know they’re women? You can’t begin that conversation without first knowing we all agree on what that word means. Otherwise, how do we even know women are adversely affected by certain policies? There’s no such group if self ID gets through. There’s no services for women if self ID gets through. @Pinstripe @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9puuKKzik35OVOPYjw by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:44:38Z
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@Pinstripe @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan I genuinely feel desolate this morning. Too many high and conflicting emotions.The #notmynigel is saying "well, at least the poisoned chalice of Brexit is firmly in Tory hands".
(DIR) Post #9puumzhkyXZwsGfnwu by Pinstripe@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:49:47Z
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That's fucking irrelevant if they've starved to death or killed themselves. They're dead. @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9puuwHVGAdpcgJFxRI by AprilTui@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T08:51:28Z
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It is fucking relevant if you want to do something about it. Do you actually want to do that? @Pinstripe @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan @LangCleg
(DIR) Post #9puxvJbHBj6cl4IkWu by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T09:24:56Z
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@Pinstripe @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa @Dyketagnan As I see it, Tag is right. Labour lost. Tories won. There will be public narratives about this, no matter what is true and what is not, and we can't change the result.So people will be saying...Labour lost cos Corbyn.Labour lost cos Brexit.We also need to get it out there that liberal Wokeism doesn't win elections and Labour also lost cos women. It needs to get into the public consciousness.
(DIR) Post #9pv0N4iMKIR0biylMm by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T09:52:21Z
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I tagged you in @LangCleg because I knew you’d understand where I was coming from. Yes, the thought of a Conservative government must be disheartening , devastating even. The defeat of wokeism – for that is what just happened – is the silver lining, the thing you can salvage. Consider not only Jo Swinson but Labour’s loss of Rother Valley. But for that to be a genuine silver lining, GC feminists need to get out in front of the narrative, ideally tomorrow. @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pv1dvTW20WGpSdRUe by LangCleg@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T10:06:36Z
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@Dyketagnan @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa Exactly. One plank of the Labour autopsy must be - and be seen to be - you cannot shit on women and win.
(DIR) Post #9pv6AF6kyJCqnpefy4 by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T10:57:16Z
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The fact that BOTH Labour did badly AND Swinson lost her seat, despite her party gaining votes, must be emphasized. If it was just Brexit or Corbyn, Swinson wouldn’t have underperformed the rest of her party like that. The common thread is the way both parties shat on women. Get it out there, Brit sisters! @LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pvDoWwukzrdOnD2Ce by MacGueurle@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T12:22:58Z
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@Dyketagnan THIS!!! @LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pvSjeI1XKH81tDHkm by NightCrow@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T15:10:07Z
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@Dyketagnan << If it was just Brexit or Corbyn, Swinson wouldn’t have underperformed the rest of her party like that.>>You are missing the third factor that dominated yesterday's election: the greatly increased support for Scottish independence. Jo Swinson's seat in East Dumbartonshire was one of thirteen that fell to the Scottish Nationalist Party. The SNP now holds 48 out of 59 Westminster seats in Scotland. Immediately after the exit poll results were announced, foretelling a huge swing to the SNP, Stephen Bush of the New Statesman, an astute political commentator, observed: "Jo Swinson has lost her seat on that exit poll." And so it transpired. @LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pvnph8Bz119cJL4IC by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T19:06:33Z
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Hi @NightCrowThe point of my post is that strong in front of the narrative isn’t about “oh there could be other factors”. Of course there will be other things. STOP conceding the narrative when you have a golden opportunity to tell the world that Genderism is a vote-loser and an elitist misogyny project. @LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pw2Cou0eeFvjncsoC by NightCrow@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T21:47:36Z
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@Dyketagnan <<The point of my post is that strong in front of the narrative isn’t about “oh there could be other factors”. Of course there will be other things. STOP conceding the narrative when you have a golden opportunity to tell the world that Genderism is a vote-loser and an elitist misogyny project. >>I'm not "conceding the narrative" at all. I am trying to base this discussion, which is important, in known and observable fact. Look, Dyketagnan, I respect you greatly, and I am certainly not trying to pick a fight. But in my view it is important to be clear about what has actually been happening in Britain, if we want to come up with arguments that will gain us a respectful hearing.@LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pw3ZDibAbU91nXA2q by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-13T22:02:50Z
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Indeed @NightCrow I’m just saying that there is a difference between one’s intellectual understanding of what happened and the narratives one chooses to put into public discussion.There are so many reasons behind the result, including Brexit, Scottish independence, the economy and Corbyn, that affected people’s votes. GC feminists have an opportunity to put Genderism on the list of those issues, but only by getting ahead of the narrative NOW. LibDems gained votes but lost their leader. Pro-union, Pro-remain Scots could vote for either Labour or LibDem. There clearly was some vote switching from Labour to LibDem elsewhere, EXCEPT in Swinson’s electorate. See where I’m going with this?@LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pwM8SdCfTJlKitpcu by NightCrow@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T01:30:54Z
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@Dyketagnan <<I’m just saying that there is a difference between one’s intellectual understanding of what happened and the narratives one chooses to put into public discussion.>>I choose to promote in discussion what I understand to be supported by the available evidence. This is a pragmatic as well as a moral decision: bullshit, once detected, quickly undermines a case.Meanwhile, I am certainly not saying that feminists should not point out that Labour and the Lib Dems have alienated many women voters by their stance on self ID. It is obvious that this has happened, and it must have had some impact on the results in some constituencies. <<Pro-union, Pro-remain Scots could vote for either Labour or LibDem. There clearly was some vote switching from Labour to LibDem elsewhere, EXCEPT in Swinson’s electorate.>>I am not a psephologist, but I have examined the figures. I am not convinced that they support what you are saying. But it is late here, and although I am a night bird, I need to start heading for bed. @LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa
(DIR) Post #9pxqDxKf8pYXmVivDc by Dyketagnan@spinster.xyz
2019-12-14T18:42:46Z
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Sure. I’m just saying that supportable isn’t as rigorous as you might imagine, when it comes to political narrative. @NightCrow @LangCleg @AprilTui @Robotpuppy @SouerTeresa