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(DIR) Post #9pbszdi0rFrAahGdFI by milcom@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T01:26:58Z
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A bunch of engineers are imagining how things should be and we are living in their world.I heard this quote on The Happiness Podcast this morning and made me think about how we leave decision making in the hands of a few and are forced to adapt to what they come up with.
(DIR) Post #9pbszdu48RUvC4uG24 by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T01:38:28Z
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@milcom this is a terrific point to debate.
(DIR) Post #9pbszeDuwdNSBeC6yW by milcom@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T01:45:01Z
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@ashwin_baindur I'm all ears to hear everyone's opinions on it.I personally think the quote is true, but we can still work within that framework to take our lives where we want to.An example of this is moving to fediverse from centralized Biggies. We didn't like how a few hundred folk in the Valley were calling the shots on what's hate speech and what's not, we found an alternative.
(DIR) Post #9pbszeR29rrwqKKaQ4 by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T02:05:04Z
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@milcom our individual actions serve us in a limited context, you gave a great example of moving to the #fediverse. We are unable to effectively escape the gargantuan schemes such as #Aadhaar. Besides, the control aspect, Aadhaar's design flaws are flawed for it's stated purpose of identification and design features are malicious for it's true purpose of surveillance. Let's take up Aadhaar on another day though for discussion.
(DIR) Post #9pbszehh9vCFg07tOC by milcom@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T02:11:19Z
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@ashwin_baindur True. And there's also the question of privilege. Some of us can make changes to our lives to what suits us, but what about those who don't have a choice?
(DIR) Post #9pbszewEHsp4P4vV2m by Samyukth@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T02:20:26Z
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Exactly, @milcom I was about to make the same point. A vast majority have no option but to toe the line. And that has a massive impact on the outcome, one way or another @ashwin_baindur
(DIR) Post #9pbszfCBKZaDCYOEuO by milcom@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T03:30:09Z
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@Samyukth That's where representation matters in all spheres IMHO. Voices for the voiceless who can challenge and speak for those who can't.This is true for tech, government, education, healthcare etc.A friend was telling me about one state government imposing an inferior agricultural technique on a tribal population and wasting so much money on what remained unused because they didn't include the tribals in the dialogue!@ashwin_baindur
(DIR) Post #9pbszfUcE2KQ7j0xdo by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T03:40:28Z
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@milcom @Samyukth sadly methodology seems NOT to be a legitimate form of enquiry in public policy and governance. Wonder if the Takshashila Institute course on this topic includes study of methodology. 🤔 @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbszfkZGj5YvCThVQ by Samyukth@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T03:48:58Z
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@ashwin_baindur @milcom @nitin I will go one step forward and argue that the concept of enquiry and questioning themselves have completely disappeared from any discourse these days. It is only when one has these deeply ingrained and inviolable can one conceivably discuss methodology.
(DIR) Post #9pbszg4Q4uy5ullYRs by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T03:54:40Z
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@Samyukth @milcom @nitin my stepbrother Rahul Andrews brought a concept to my notice which so many people are completely unaware of--the Wicked Problem. On a scale of ease of resolution, the wicked problem is the most intractable of all, and requires multiple actions in a multidisciplinary field. Wicked Problems cannot be resolved; they can only be engaged.I recommend that this be read about:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicked_problem
(DIR) Post #9pbszgQOlCY70w36hs by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:08:46Z
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@ashwin_baindur so our current system is a wicked problem. As long as we don't get our economy on track(with INCLUSIVE growth and not just numbers) we can't provide better education, better administration, better healthcare etc. But unless we provide better education, we'd stay stuck being slaves to the current political system and keep electing sub par candidates. And these candidates are never going to get the economy on track.@Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbszglJVRHO3npoJ6 by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:10:28Z
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@IshaKaushik @Samyukth @milcom @nitin Our current system is not a wicked problem it is a networked conglomeration of wicked problems, such as poverty, delivering public good, enforcing law and order, delivering the most effective education, and so on.
(DIR) Post #9pbszh46NaJB04coam by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:18:31Z
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@ashwin_baindur You're right! But what is the way forward? How can these problems be solved?@Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbszhL7MJv3qqaP7A by ashwin_baindur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:22:24Z
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@IshaKaushik @Samyukth @milcom @nitin By recognizing the problem and addressing it at multiple levels in iteration. Like Kejriwal is doing with education and health in Delhi state. Each budget (both financial & outcome) involve multiple fields in the resolution of say education. Education is improving but even 5 years is too hort a time to rectify the neglect of seven decades and the tremenduous challenges faced by a hostile Centre and polarised society today.
(DIR) Post #9pbszhZIVbGIYpDjDU by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:26:25Z
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@ashwin_baindur he's doing great in education but then he releases some stupid scheme about free metro for women(public transport should be free but our country isn't at the stage to provide it rn) or odd-even scheme(which is totally bs) or makes other political statements and these overshadow the good work he's doing. That's part of the reason why he isn't successful outside of Delhi. Delhiites know that he is delivering but others haven't experienced the change.@Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbszhsnL6rFXILIbg by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:30:06Z
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@IshaKaushik What are your objections to his schemes? @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbtztOedBurCRtfyS by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:35:45Z
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@varkychen metro or odd even? My only objection on free metro for women is the burden on exchequer. The tax collection isn't enough to cover all the govt expenses, and with the introduction of GST states share of taxes has reduced even more, so giving free metro for 50% population at this time would mean less spending on education or health sector etc. As I said, public transport should be free in an ideal state, but we're far from that point atm@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbtzti9ShVoAv1FMe by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:41:23Z
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(DIR) Post #9pbuA5zieD5VAQ6CUS by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:43:14Z
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@IshaKaushik There are reports where the Delhi govt is payments pending from various Central govt bodies and also it's fair share of GST, as are other states.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbuK0xsCe28SmxuUq by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T04:45:02Z
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@IshaKaushik Full disclosure: I support most of the steps AAP has taken. There are some obvious missteps, but I guess that's what happens when Idealism and Politics collide.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbvf4Zq4EqdhbKR28 by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T04:55:32Z
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@varkychen I too support most of their steps but I'm not sure if they are ready to take on the national stage yet. I hope they are.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbvf4pR8FKCTyctLU by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:00:01Z
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@IshaKaushik No, I don't think they are there for national stage yet. People don't really see them as an alternative (when they ideally should). Just a sad fact that people still vote with their hearts and not with their heads.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbvzRpRKOmPbjLECO by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:03:44Z
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@IshaKaushik With regards to odd-even schemes, I think they are doing the best they can with the cards they have been dealt. If you notice, Delhi has bad pollution no doubt. But there are places in UP with even worse pollution levels. Why do we not hear the solutions implemented there, if any? If there are no implemented solutions, then why no criticisms about them?Echo chambers within the gas chambers, my friend !!@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbwDerLg0mW4m0gzI by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:06:18Z
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@IshaKaushik The of even is a scheme which balances political motives and doing something for the environment. @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbwFoTCup5iShkIxk by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:05:35Z
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@varkychen odd even scheme is not actually viable. It doesn't have any positive impact in the long run. And the places in UP aren't as important as Delhi after all😂😂@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbwYU5UvABmkVYimG by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:07:28Z
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@varkychen only political motives. What use is doing something for the environment when not doing it wouldn't have made any difference at all? @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbwYV3lJ6OXlPkqi8 by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:10:03Z
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@IshaKaushik What else could they possibly do? Remember, you need to balance political motives and perceptions.Doing something is better than doing nothing!! Is it enough? Hardly.@Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbwx5GuK6Rb1Vcrmi by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:14:30Z
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@IshaKaushik Compare the two:Q: We've got pollution. What are you doing about it?A: NothingVsQ: We've got pollution. What are you doing about it?A: We've introduced odd even scheme.Q: It's not very effectiveA: Vote is to power in other states, we'll show you what we can do.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbx0siKxD1BEdGafI by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:13:02Z
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@varkychen they could make carpooling mandatory by imposing fines on cars with less than 3 people(it sounds really stupid😂😂) or introduce more buses and more routes. 15 days odd even ki jagah school ki chutti(kids go yayyyy)(9th-12th ki nahi). That would've had more impact than odd even imo. @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbxXWcI8Io8G00LFA by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:16:48Z
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@varkychen how about... pollution is so bad that we can't even let our children go to school because that'll put their health at risk. Vote us to power in other states so that we can continue providing them education and you breathable air?@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbxXWuN35GlA4SmQK by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:21:05Z
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@IshaKaushik That's like saying vote is to power in all the southern states and we'll solve all your water sharing problems. It is plausible, but it's it believable?? Plus politics doesn't always work like that.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbxZHxJc3OHMlgAe8 by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:21:25Z
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@IshaKaushik That's like saying vote us to power in all the southern states and we'll solve all your water sharing problems. It is plausible, but it's it believable?? Plus politics doesn't always work like that.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pby7lk7N5CDaxwou8 by IshaKaushik@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:24:35Z
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@varkychen bro don't backtrack now!! It's only the modified version of your plan@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbyI3bfoDWttWu5Jo by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:29:30Z
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@IshaKaushik I thought you were saying they should go to other states and say this. My perspective was what you'd tell just tell it to the people of Delhi alone.@ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbyXgdcyNr7ICGpOa by obscurosaur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:28:32Z
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@IshaKaushik @varkychen @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin Why not viable? No positive impact? Any doubt whether it reduces carbon emission if not emission of particulate and non particulate pollutants in automobile exhausts?
(DIR) Post #9pbyXgudx7T08yEPuy by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:32:19Z
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@obscurosaur Well, one thing is it has to be applied uniformly, across all vehicles and for all genders. That would be the most effective.@IshaKaushik @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbzRyLuIbNURsoxJA by obscurosaur@mastodon.social
2019-12-04T05:37:58Z
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@varkychen It is a trade off man, it has to start with the privileged. Commoners’ livelihood matters. @IshaKaushik @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin
(DIR) Post #9pbzRyiwuvoFbLbMDw by varkychen@mstdn.social
2019-12-04T05:42:30Z
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@obscurosaur Politics is in the trade-offs, it's definitely not the rational step. But, I'd give them the benefit of the doubt for at least trying it.@IshaKaushik @ashwin_baindur @Samyukth @milcom @nitin