Post 9p3OGgiv7ODjy8Dze4 by ninad@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9p1x84j5cDipsx0qAK by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:20:36Z
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Today is the first day I felt like bird site here on Mastodon. I understand it is the Indian men and not the website at fault. But gender issues is important to me. I hate men who try to mansplain to me about women issues. I felt really happy reading the rules of Mastodon which said sexism & advocacy of sexism is not allowed. I am largely peaceful in debates unless provoked, today was just a bad day with bad men around I guess, why didn’t we leave this men in bird app? *sighs*
(DIR) Post #9p1x85VIiyHqITZLJQ by ravikchandar@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:23:47Z
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@Deepsealioness Saw some toots, felt very bad.😔
(DIR) Post #9p1x868INzTkFPoU5o by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:26:40Z
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@ravikchandar men are the most fragile people I know
(DIR) Post #9p1xpiLaBKmDDepHDE by Nitxie@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T20:34:46Z
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@Deepsealioness @ravikchandar this particular toot sounds sexist too.
(DIR) Post #9p1ytDY4jQkEoOu5zc by ravikchandar@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:38:51Z
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@Nitxie @Deepsealioness Thats what she is saying, men have fragile ego and will always say 'not all men'!
(DIR) Post #9p1ytDwBHo1k1ABLZA by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:40:21Z
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@ravikchandar @Nitxie he is saying am sexist against men lol . I know which instance I will not be a part of
(DIR) Post #9p1ytEH622l141y3AO by Nitxie@mstdn.social
2019-11-16T20:46:35Z
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@Deepsealioness @ravikchandar I'm a woman. 🤷♀️
(DIR) Post #9p3OGVrNVbRyHB65nk by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:37:47Z
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@Deepsealioness I would like to offer apologies on behalf of them 🙏
(DIR) Post #9p3OGWGY01aDXEsC24 by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:41:13Z
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@ninad not your fault at all. I am just hormonal today so I get affected
(DIR) Post #9p3OGWlk82XL5zT6em by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:51:38Z
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@Deepsealioness So what if not my fault. I should do it just to make you feel better. As I have said earlier, a social media which doesn't take a toll on mental health especially for politically aware and active people can only be realized if we heal for every wound by either apologizing or through praise/appreciation posts.
(DIR) Post #9p3OGX8QlggWEM5E1I by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T20:53:12Z
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@ninad you are just a sweetheart 🤗 what’s your twitter handle?
(DIR) Post #9p3OGXcuwL4TkuLZXU by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T21:34:06Z
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@Deepsealioness hehe. Thanks. BirdSite handle I deleted it long time ago actually. Was fed up. Got into argument with few folks on national security and since I used to engage in mostly politics, economy and geopolitics it was difficult to stay there among constant arguing and trolling. Also it was consuming too much of my time while offering little in productivity/new learning. So thought it's better to focus on books & research papers than social media...1/2
(DIR) Post #9p3OGXzxYfVEuN7ySG by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T21:37:29Z
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@Deepsealioness ...but now I am here on another social media. :angery: Even if I were active, you wouldn't have liked my profile as I followed many RW & centrist voices apart from usual LW voices. Also you wouldn't have liked my views on geopolitics. I am a realist. 🙈
(DIR) Post #9p3OGYKWKDwvw8kOVE by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T21:38:23Z
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@ninad lol but didn’t you say we have argued? What did we debate on?
(DIR) Post #9p3OGYiyrHW1A0Bvd2 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T21:42:21Z
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@Deepsealioness oh I meant argued here not on BirdSite.Don't remember exactly but it was something about sanghis. You labeled all of them as something and I argued that not all of them are such and BJP voter-base is a complex set of people. We just can't label all of them as blood thirsty people. They have a variety of reasons to vote the way they do.
(DIR) Post #9p3OGZJqeD0R0LRN5s by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T21:47:33Z
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@ninad @Deepsealioness U said these same reasons to me.Can't label them as one.Variety of reasons etc.Dunno, why this didn't occur to me when I replied to u.But, whatever reasons they have, they vote for BJP, they are responsible for things going wrong today.No reason can justify voting for them.I have fought with NRIs giving What'sapp forward info to show their support.
(DIR) Post #9p3OGZpOkuF8aCCZGq by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T21:55:24Z
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@KnottedBow Yes they are responsible for BJP being in power. That is a different thing than labelling all of them as haters or people who wants Hindu Rashtra.Yes both you and me may agree that there can be no reason to vote them, well surely a lot of people disagree. There can be economic reasons, security (both internal and external) reasons (speaking as a former teenage supporter of BJP even before I could vote - plz don't kill me for this), TINA for some et al. 1/2@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p3OGaLIqHlQB98304 by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:07:46Z
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@ninad U know, when there is a big fight,like With BJP or against BJPThere is only one way.I have been seeing anti BJP differ in opinions and some even come to fights...But when they vote, they are all decidedly antiBJPee.BJPeee stands for hate. Didn't start today, since 1992, my first awareness of their hateful nature.I am not a Muslim either, but just a human being, who saw what hate they were capable of.so TINA is an excuse they propagated.No reason good enf.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p3OGbGNQ5Px29pcxc by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:18:21Z
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@KnottedBowI am not justifying any of the reasons I cited. I am just saying that they ARE a part of a set of reasons. Both you and @Deepsealioness are refusing to recognize that. Propaganda doesn't work instantly. Both to push people into false narratives away from reality and to bring them back to reality, we have to constantly hammer them with information. In that battle, BJP is clearly ahead for now. It's politics. We cant 'hope' people will understand our side and vote accordingly. 1/2
(DIR) Post #9p3OGcRl1G7ChkAEL2 by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:22:30Z
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@ninad Accha...tell me this.U were a BJPuan u said.Have u changed now ?If so, why ??There are a lot of BJP voters of 2014, and mentioned so in their birdsite bio, who now are decidedly against BJP. Why do u think they changed ??And let me tell u, ppl may have reasons at micro level, that's up to them, but when we talk, it is always general. No one does each village analysis 🤦♀️@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p3OGdCYDHXt2s3bH6 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:29:33Z
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@KnottedBow You still asking? Isn't it clear my pref changed? Why change? Well so many reasons. No point reiterating them here. You know all of them.Yes many people changed their views. Again reasons are diverse.By examples of villages I am not justifying their choice. I am just making a point that people have different reasons for voting. It is wrong for you and @Deepsealioness (going to run after this coz she will definitely kill me) to label them all as hate mongering sanghis.
(DIR) Post #9p3OGe9OgUcJzNaazw by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:35:33Z
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@ninadBhai... Kisi ne bola all 100% BJP voters are hate mongers ?? 🙄🤔 But also a fact, majority bJp voters vote for a reason.Reasons many, end result is same.But, they sure give power to the hate mongers, so they become enablers na.There is a snake in the ground. U will wait to find out if it poisonous or not, before u decide to run ?? @Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p3OGegMhuzLdd0vNw by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:43:20Z
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@KnottedBow I never denied they are enablers.And yes I think you both labelled ALL of them under single category. Baki itni mehnat Kyu karvayi mujse. I even had to take a knife from@Deepsealioness In the process.
(DIR) Post #9p3OGfEke4UhMH6Nyy by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T22:51:53Z
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@ninad Let me put it simply to u.Single catagory, yes, of BJP voters. Sahuliyat le liye, we call them sanghi, coz that is their start point.For hate or for Tina or Kajol or Ravena, whatever reason, end result is same.bJP gets vote.The hate agenda of BJP gets promoted.We have colleagues and acquaintes in real life who are BJPians. Can't avoid. Don't discuss politics with them either, that's my escape.There is life beyond politics too.@Deepsealioness
(DIR) Post #9p3OGfiAsg1upWrsqO by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T23:02:45Z
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@KnottedBowI agree. Friendships should go beyond political divide. Although I think@Deepsealioness will disagree with this. She appears to be really ready to kill anyone who would even think of supporting them. Thank God she didn't find me 5 years ago. :blobsweats:
(DIR) Post #9p3OGgD120hSNBIVuq by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T23:09:57Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow you are right 🔪🔪🔪🔪
(DIR) Post #9p3OGgiv7ODjy8Dze4 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T23:17:45Z
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@Deepsealioness On a serious note, I might write an essay of sorts on this. Coz I just realized that if knowledgeable people like u 2 think on these lines, it is quite possible so many others do too. If so, v r heading in wrong direction.Although I still think u know the reality, you are just clouded by your emotions right now to recognize it. I am not denying the large presence of hate in BJP's base. But certainly not ALL of them are such. Significant amount can be won over@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGh9VWXUJIafE5Q by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T23:36:02Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow no emotions, I have come to accept reality and you haven’t
(DIR) Post #9p3OGhdzhBsGp8vZbc by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T23:46:36Z
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@Deepsealioness Sigh. I don't know what to say. It's unfortunate. All I understand is this :Not all of BJP voters are haters. Many of them can be won over. The institutions are bent, not broken. There will always be a fighting chance and we should not give up. You may call me ignorant or naive (not innocent - therez no reason to be polite on this) but I refuse to give up. Everyday I fight in my family and college group. Decently though. Try and convince people.@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGi26FZ9m1uCpBA by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-16T23:57:07Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow As someone who is at risk due to voting for BJP as a woman and due to my husband you are actually asking us to sacrifice our dignity so that you can convince others to change and vote. I don’t need to be your ally because your interests are against me, no?
(DIR) Post #9p3OGiPUqZs7CT9VeC by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:06:41Z
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@Deepsealioness Woah woah... sacrifice your dignity? There is definitely some confusion here. I meant no such thing.@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGiklZUsyGR6Ung by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:07:45Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow you are asking patience from Dalits, minorities and women who are worst affected to accept the second class treatment while you try to fix the bigoted or ignorant morons, how is that fair?
(DIR) Post #9p3OGj2qUHLbAVYvyq by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:16:53Z
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@Deepsealioness Well it's definitely not fair. But then what do you want me to do? On one hand you are pessimistic about future. On the other hand you are scolding me for saying we should try and defeat them!@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGjOpAYvcGfqUEq by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:20:37Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow am saying there is no defeat just collapse, all of us go down due to some idiots voting for them, then we rebuild a decent society and am working on that decent society which has to be built , don’t care about currents happenings, it will collapse
(DIR) Post #9p3OGjkRsAE3Ljxkwa by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:30:39Z
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@DeepsealionessFine. Do tell me if I can be of any help in building a dream world. I would be glad. :blobcat: @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGk2AoGP6EiFuZU by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:33:57Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow come down to TN, you don’t need to be in illusions
(DIR) Post #9p3OGkOrRuYHN4s1w0 by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T00:37:31Z
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@Deepsealioness Why I can't I work from here.Actually it's here where more work is required don't you think?@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGkgEPKRkEwzu0e by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T07:08:16Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow absolutely! And let me know your success rate so far
(DIR) Post #9p3OGl1r6vkBK17AiO by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T08:53:59Z
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@Deepsealioness Success rate in what exactly?@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGlKzxl3YHO4SYK by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T09:13:50Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow in reforming your society
(DIR) Post #9p3OGlfuhzmpKFrA9Y by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T09:19:28Z
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@Deepsealioness Well it's difficult to gauge the success rate but does convincing 3 of my friends and 2 elders in the family count? Small steps :blobcat: @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGlyLbSX2FQTssy by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T09:25:48Z
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@ninad @KnottedBow individually yes but collectively no . Unless we accept and acknowledge the real reason for voting for bjp it’s very difficult to make collective changes
(DIR) Post #9p3OGmLODmxnOtGHnk by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T09:30:54Z
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@Deepsealioness I am not sure what do you mean by collective changes. You mean organizing a group and campaigning actively?@KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGmlGfZfCh9Mx8a by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T11:44:11Z
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@ninad Change of larger groups. Which is why you giving excuses doesn’t help. We need to accept that Hindus have actually been made to feel inferior by bjp and they say only it we are in power you will have your status intact & majority doesn’t care about what price muslims pay for our insecurity @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OGn5pR86tiuzNBY by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:05:13Z
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@Deepsealioness I am very horry to hear about the oppression Hindus are facing. For what it is worth I find hindus to be beautiful people with a rich history that is worthy of admiration? Hindus rock!@ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OTesdHbiE14x6PI by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:07:57Z
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@freemoHindus are the oppressors not ge oppressed. We have voted for Hindu nationalist parties including a terror accused into the parliament . Their main goal is othering muslims and making them second class citizen. Am hindu but totally against this supremacy @ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OdQVtYLbCM2yV6G by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:09:44Z
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@Deepsealioness Ahh I see, I knew musslims were oppressed but I figured both groups were. At least in america and in europe both groups are oppressed so I guess thats why I assumed it. It makes sense that in indian itself that isnt the case...Well I still think hindus rock and deserve the appreciation, but I can also add that i have many amazing muslim friends and every one of them are the sweetest kind of people I know, so they rock too :)@ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3OpdJfmIcPXM4veC by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:11:56Z
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@freemo Hinduism also has oppression, Hinduism divides people into castes based on birth and they are ranked upper cast , lower caste so upper caste has oppressed the lower caste by denying them education, dignity of life for thousand of years @ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3P63ltBc4CDf6pxg by igeljaeger@jpop.club
2019-11-17T13:15:00.339544Z
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@Deepsealioness offense is taken, not given. Grow thicker skin.
(DIR) Post #9p3P9SCkngKmrnIFzU by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:15:31Z
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@Deepsealioness Fair point, hinduism obviously is where the caste system came from.But I'd like to point out that is also just one manifestation of hinduism (and sadly it might be the dominant form in india). But I do know many hindus who do not believe in the caste system and do not believe that their religious system ever intended for there to be a caste system (Even though they do believe in reincarnation and the evolution through that process).So in cases like this it is important for me to point that out, in the same way i point out that not all musslims support Jihad as an actual physical war.As with all religions there are many interpritations some are harmful some arent. Thankfully all the hindus i know reject the harmful parts and do not see it as a valid part of the religion. In fact they view the caste system as contrary to the hindu religion, the people I know at least.@ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3PFnsr6wWdqB0vg0 by static@patch.cx
2019-11-17T13:16:45.927812Z
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@freemoI like theravada Buddhism much more than Hinduism@Deepsealioness @ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3PLOkhSjBPdMrodk by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:17:40Z
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@freemo @ninad @KnottedBow it is nice that upper caste Hindus accept that casteism is wrong, being one myself who doesn’t practice casteism and had an inter caste marriage I think it is wrong of me to say I don’t follow caste so casteism doesn’t affect me. I benefit from the caste privilege whether I reject it or not and that is what most don’t understand you not being casteist doesn’t help , you should be anti casteism
(DIR) Post #9p3PQ4BHNDA9HUWcgy by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:18:31Z
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@static I personally find buddhism speaks more to me as a philosophy, in that way I agree. But I have just as much respect for hindus as a group as i would any other culture really.@Deepsealioness @KnottedBow @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p3PSOxT5xGuIeB8nQ by AKanisetti@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:18:55Z
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@freemo @Deepsealioness @ninad @KnottedBow Dr Freemo, I can't help but feel you're relying a little too much on anecdotal evidence. Caste is deeply intertwined with the history of Indian religions and political power. It takes a great deal of privilege to go through life without ever facing it - it's woven into the way the religion operates.
(DIR) Post #9p3PSjRGwqznosHE1o by ice@socially.whimsic.al
2019-11-17T13:19:06.660016Z
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@DeepsealionessI like being on pleroma
(DIR) Post #9p3PW8w4bm0RlVJIpc by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:19:38Z
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@Deepsealioness I think most of the hindus I know are expicitly anti-caste. IF anyone suggested a caste based law or social dynamic they would speak out against it.@ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3PXrq58zn7JuKWqe by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:19:53Z
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@freemo Yes there are many interpretations but fact remains that oppression did happen and as @Deepsealioness calls it - systematic oppression happened. So no matter what today's upper castes think or do, they cannot change history. Thus unless we root the mentality out, we cannot get even near to being an egalitarian society. But I am positive because slowly and steadily, it is happening. :blobcat: @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3PfVRKJ9dEAOOS4O by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:21:19Z
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@AKanisetti How so? I never claimed anything to the contrary of what you jsut stated. I never claimed caste issues werent a part of the history of india nor did I claim it was disconnected from religion in any way.I see nothing in what you said that I would disagree with or anything that my previous statement contradicted.@Deepsealioness @ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3PjhjOYCZXRiqYKW by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:22:05Z
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@freemo @ninad @KnottedBow and that is not enough is what am saying. Untouchability is still existing here, lower caste folks are killed for riding a horse or entering a temple. The rape against lower caste women is amongst the highest. Just not supporting casteism doesn’t help
(DIR) Post #9p3PmswfJVF15vZQrg by ninad@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:22:39Z
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@freemo Yup to me too. I love to read debates between Buddhist scholars and scholars of the Vedanta school of Hindu thought. They are so rich in metaphysics :blobaww: @static @Deepsealioness @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3PvvaOrdldtKT4Xw by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:24:17Z
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@DeepsealionessWell im not suggesting it is the **only** thing they do. Honestly i dont know what efforts they make in their free time to oppose it if any.Also kee in mind im talking about hindus I know mostly in america. So there isnt much caste based oppression in america they could address anyway. @ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3Q7a5YcJgqh2b9Lk by Deepsealioness@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:26:22Z
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@freemo @ninad @KnottedBow yeah there most folks who had privilege to move would be upper caste folks and they don’t want to look bad in front of others. I know in Florida there is a retirement colony which permits only vegetarians to buy houses there which my uncle has a house in. The upper castes are vegetarians largely, they have brought casteism there just not enough for others to understand
(DIR) Post #9p3QQrMCda3LkiZohc by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:29:53Z
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@Deepsealioness All of the huindus I met I can say were absolutely sincere in their anti-caste position, they arent the type of people who would say something just to look good.I am not however implying this is the norm amongst all hindus everywhere.@ninad @KnottedBow
(DIR) Post #9p3ROEuAjLPXs1mQCW by KnottedBow@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:30:48Z
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@Deepsealioness @freemo @ninad Why go Florida ?We have in India too... Soooo sooo many...In Guj it is here.unfortunately, down south also, at least one, that I positively know of, coz I lived 4 blocks away from itVegetarians only buildings.
(DIR) Post #9p3ROFUKYuKngAhIYq by Vishsai@mastodon.social
2019-11-17T13:38:43Z
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@KnottedBow Should we start non vegetarian only building? @Deepsealioness @freemo @ninad
(DIR) Post #9p3ROG3mR6gtS7Hboe by freemo@qoto.org
2019-11-17T13:40:35Z
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@Vishsai Meatatarian housing only, no vegetables allowed.That added benefit is such a housing system would have a life expectancy of only a few years. So the turn-over to resell houses would be huge :)@KnottedBow @Deepsealioness @ninad