Post 9owWpSl0TYxSJbZe8O by mmin@scholar.social
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(DIR) Post #9owTDZLBFbS5rnjWDI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-14T04:57:54Z
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"In connection with the financing, our holding company moved from Luxembourg to the U.S., as we believe this will be helpful in future fundraising necessary to support our strong growth."https://wire.com/en/blog/wire_business_update/#Wire #VentureCapital
(DIR) Post #9owTfYMwSMlexgtvKy by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-14T05:03:05Z
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#MeaCulpa. Anyone who follows me will have seen me vigorously defending #Wire as preferably to #Signal, and one of the reasons I gave was that Wire were a private company (not VC-funded or corporate owned), based in Europe, where the tech industry is more strongly regulated to protect user privacy than the US, where Signal is based. Looks like Wire have set up a US partner entity to funnel VC into the company :(
(DIR) Post #9owW6S6o2X23GzJ97o by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-14T05:30:18Z
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A friend of mine recently told me he's had good results getting friends and family using #Riot (the flagship #Matrix client). I'm seriously considering recommending that (or #Pattle) over #Signal or #Wire as the best #FreeCode chat app for use with non-geek friends+family. Riot has always had the major pro that's it already decentralized, using an #OpenStandard,. Other than that, it now has pretty much the same pros and cons as Wire, including being developed by a VC-funded parent company.
(DIR) Post #9owWpSl0TYxSJbZe8O by mmin@scholar.social
2019-11-14T05:38:28Z
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@strypey I’ve had semi-good experiences with Riot a few years ago. Back then it was a little unreliable at least using the android emulation on my Sailfish phone, so ended up giving it up. I think it could be time to give it another go.
(DIR) Post #9owZF6KuesuWDQioZU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-14T06:04:52Z
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@mmin Riot runs really well on my Android device (running 4.x), which I bought thinking it could run #LineageOS. Turns out it couldn't (Chinese version with #Mediatek chips) :( The only wobbles I've had is using the voice chat, and it could be that was to do with the internet connection, rather than the app. See:https://write.as/zk9vm8m00eutn.md
(DIR) Post #9owZjmbg3wSK0DC3lY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-14T06:10:59Z
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@mmin the other major downside of Riot, vs. Signal or Wire, is that the #UX degrades a lot once you turn encryption on in a chat, because you have to constantly faff around with verifying devices and backing up keys. They devs are aware of the problem and promise they are working on a more elegant, automated solution, but for now it's an issue. Much less of a concern if you run your own homeserver for your friends+family chats, but good to be aware of.
(DIR) Post #9owjeIUxZnR4iV4ftw by mmin@scholar.social
2019-11-14T08:02:04Z
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@strypey Yep. I think we already lost some of our family chats when we were using it for a while because I couldn’t quite figure out the management of encryption keys.
(DIR) Post #9oxJMkMGqtMkGAwNou by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-14T14:42:15Z
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@mmin I think there is a variation of #ZookoTriangle here. Out-of-the-box, Riot is decentralized and user-friendly, but not encrypted. Turn on encryption, it's still decentralized, but not user-friendly. Same is true of #Jami, #Tox clients, and every other decentralized chat app I've tested that has encryption out-of-the-box, #UX hell. All the user-friendly systems I've seen that have encryption turned on out-of-the-box are centralized ones like Signal and Wire.@lnxw48a1
(DIR) Post #9oxPT9lzs93mXsPhce by mmin@scholar.social
2019-11-14T15:50:43Z
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@strypey @lnxw48a1@nu.federati.net That’s a good way of looking at it. Even without being a technical expert it’s easy to see why having a decentralised encrypted chat system is not simple.
(DIR) Post #9pBDpLbm4UbeNwszdA by ilpianista@functional.cafe
2019-11-21T07:46:13Z
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@strypeyI'm giving @Jami a second try. I even got two (very) minor patches for the #Android client merged already ;-) #Jami
(DIR) Post #9pBWaHOJMnaG5j7Kue by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-21T11:16:16Z
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@ilpianista great stuff. For me, Wire selling out is just another example of why decentralized networks (whether federated or distributed) are the best solution for privacy-respecting comms. @Jami
(DIR) Post #9pBWp9KzaklVSQehkG by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-21T11:18:57Z
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@ilpianista I've found #Jami pretty good for voice chat with 2-3 people. But prettty frustrating for text chat; lots of unpredictable message delay and no group chat (#Tox apps are currently better for P2P text chat in my experience). If and when Jami passes text messages reliably, has group chat, and can do offline delivery (anonymous relaying?), it will be about perfect. It's already head and shoulders above Tox in consistency of the app across OS platforms.@Jami
(DIR) Post #9pBX6UqMszbp52bROj by ilpianista@functional.cafe
2019-11-21T11:22:12Z
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@strypeyWhoah, that's a nice wish list!@Jami
(DIR) Post #9pBYliYauA9xRFVcEi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-11-21T11:40:44Z
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@ilpianista I'm keen to test Jami voice chat with a larger group, say 5-7 people, but I need to find more willing lab rats who can all be online at the same time.@Jami
(DIR) Post #9pBfbzgx2hobMejDoO by ilpianista@functional.cafe
2019-11-21T12:57:33Z
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@strypey you can add me to your rat list!