Post 9otPRK8vZMMDUmQReq by cancel@merveilles.town
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(DIR) Post #9ot80PoYg0KU2tTtku by cancel@merveilles.town
2019-11-12T13:39:51Z
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Can someone explain this stuff to me?Linux FOSS people mock and deride Apple while simultaneously copying the bad parts of their user-hostile behavior.Bonus achievement: using the word "curate" 6 times in a blog post about repackaging software.I must not be understanding something here. What's the motivation to do this? I don't get it.
(DIR) Post #9ot80Q8lSsUb3Yw2Fc by sp6mr@mastodon.radio
2019-11-12T14:07:52Z
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@cancel "Linux FOSS" people are not one intergal mass. Some people don't like Apple's behavior, while others like it and sometimes copy it.
(DIR) Post #9ot8aQT9if1EV9dpui by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-11-12T14:22:46Z
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@cancel> Can someone explain this stuff to me? Linux FOSS people mock and deride Apple while simultaneously copying [it]Sure, I'll try.#foss is, at its core about choice/control. That includes the choice to run a desktop with minimal, keyboard-driven UI (as I do with #void & #bspwm).It *also* includes the choice to run an opinionated, cohesive, and currated desktop like #Elementary.It's not for me, but I'm really grateful for @cassidyjames's hard work
(DIR) Post #9ot9LfOU30dsOqyxmK by cancel@merveilles.town
2019-11-12T14:30:46Z
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@codesections @cassidyjamesYeah, I understand that part.I'm wondering specifically about this behavior, though -- one of the reasons I'm seeing friends switch to elementaryOS specifically, from Mac, is because of the continuing screw-tighting/frog-boiling/whatever-you-want-to-call-it of third party software.So doesn't it seem weird that the thing people are fleeing to is starting to adopt some of the behavior that people are fleeing from?Am I completely misunderstanding this feature?
(DIR) Post #9ot9zEK27Rc01OlXu4 by cassidyjames@mastodon.social
2019-11-12T14:36:54Z
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@cancel elementary OS does not repackage anyone's software. App developers submit their apps—packaging and all—to AppCenter. We review and approve (or deny) each and every submission, thus curation.If you don't like elementary OS, you don't need to use it.
(DIR) Post #9otA3bzY3eqMadH1jk by cassidyjames@mastodon.social
2019-11-12T14:38:26Z
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@cancel also macOS does not have switches in its HIG, we adopted that years ago because it is a more clear physical metaphor for changing the state, especially for physical devices.
(DIR) Post #9otATX0VDHSSex4ypc by codesections@fosstodon.org
2019-11-12T14:43:41Z
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@cancel I'm not *super* knowledge here, since I don't use #elementary or #macOS. But my understanding is that Apple has started making it genuinely *hard* to side load software, whereas elementary makes it easy but provides a clear warning. I can understand the appeal of that balance Also, Apple gets a cut of all app store revenue and so has an incentive to discourage sideloading. AFAIK, elementary is only motivated by UX/security.
(DIR) Post #9otAlDp5HJ8uNDAqps by cassidyjames@mastodon.social
2019-11-12T14:44:06Z
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@codesections @cancel thank you!
(DIR) Post #9otB7gYF9CMrqN0ZU0 by cassidyjames@mastodon.social
2019-11-12T14:46:44Z
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@codesections @cancel this is basically correct. We have *added* the new functionality of being able to officially and easily sideload apps from outside AppCenter. This is a new feature, and a requirement we had was to be realistic in expressing the implications of sideloading software from outside of the existing curated pool of apps. We also have plans to be more precise by explaining the implications of specific Flatpak permissions being granted.
(DIR) Post #9otIwEIMf664emd5bk by chucker@mastodon.social
2019-11-12T16:18:44Z
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@codesections @cancel note that “genuinely hard” in this case means “right-click, pick ‘Open’”I do question the scary language they use, though.
(DIR) Post #9otPRK8vZMMDUmQReq by cancel@merveilles.town
2019-11-12T13:40:54Z
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Also, I'm being serious when asking this question.(Except for the toggle switches UI elements. That one really is just blind copying Apple's iOS.)
(DIR) Post #9otPRKSmNYEkULiIbI by rugk@social.wiuwiu.de
2019-11-12T17:31:41Z
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@cancel AFAIk elementry aims to smehow often copy the Apple UI mhh
(DIR) Post #9otPfc1RtIox09jz0a by cancel@merveilles.town
2019-11-12T17:34:15Z
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@rugk a bit -- it's kind of a blend. like the toggle switches aren't actually in Mac desktop OS, only iOS.Menus are de-emphasized. Some other stuff.It gets points for easy installation and working out of the box.
(DIR) Post #9sp3SOHwOjlvZNyVVI by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2020-03-09T06:34:48Z
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@codesections > Apple gets a cut of all app store revenue and so has an incentive to discourage sideloading. At what point do #antitrust regulators click on that this is grossly anti-competitive behaviour (as is Apple's refusal to allow #copyleft software in its #iThing app stores), and take action? @cancel
(DIR) Post #9takDTfnkxLbjSOdLk by Nonetrix@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-01T06:45:31.043270Z
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@cancel Foss has a big community some are going to shit on Apple that's just how it is some windows people do to sometimes they have points and sometimes they don't
(DIR) Post #9takPTB1QanZfRiYfQ by Nonetrix@dickkickextremist.xyz
2020-04-01T06:47:41.069109Z
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@cancel I don't like Macs and I use linux but it's stupid going after people that like Macs the best thing to do is give people options not make them feel like they have to use distro xyz