Post 9oqukoTlizCREoDFKq by hackiechan@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9opYdfTS78IPwOLTqS by dearthofsid@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T09:23:31Z
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Most atheists only know about one religion well: the one they disowned. But they tend to make careless assumptions about the rest when they "oppose all religions equally". And since they are quite uninformed about other religions, they easily fall prey to bigoted narratives.
(DIR) Post #9oplrTaogUZNk2eSoK by itsbhavikjoshi@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T09:28:30Z
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@dearthofsid am an atheist, all I see in religions is distractions caused by bitterness,resentment for each other & division which eventually deeds predators who disguise as representatives & exploit each religion. Shouldn't schools,better healthcare & jobs be the priority & enjoying life be the goal....but no, let it be. As an atheist I get enough debates just because people want me to trust a higher-power.
(DIR) Post #9oplrTnDwMUiMWSN9M by dearthofsid@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T09:43:23Z
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@itsbhavikjoshi As an atheist, that's what you see. Theists see a lot of value in what they are doing. There's no forcing them out of it because the constitution guarantees everyone their right to faith. This has nothing to do with schools or hospitals, really.
(DIR) Post #9oplrU136xYN3OvPhQ by itsbhavikjoshi@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T10:02:57Z
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@dearthofsid @dearthofsid in India it really does have a lot to do with almost everything ranging from schools to hospitals. Don't care about forcing them out if they can't see the futility of the exercise. It does lower one's ability to accept new things but again no law against it. People kill in the name of religion & at times law goes quiet about that too, so I agree... religions rock.
(DIR) Post #9oplrUDoLVlHgytbai by Sabawaheed@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T11:44:45Z
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@itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid it could be a cliche response but the biggest war that this world has seen to date wasn’t fought on or for religion .. this biggest destructions that are happening now in the world m Syria and Yemen also not for religion .. yes people do kill for religion but people kill for many other things as well for example for women love .. should be call love bad then ??
(DIR) Post #9oplrURzUn6WOxWvh2 by CZubair@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T13:01:53Z
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@Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid all these terrorist perpetrations are for strategic political goals including that of ISIS, just that they use religious narrative or rather a prism as their identity is all, which unfortunately was the most wicked one. I'm of the strongest opinion that it was a CIA ploy, so was AQ was created, nurtured, funded and trained by CIA for their own strategic benefits.
(DIR) Post #9oplrUhaYna5BKpO0O by dearthofsid@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T13:04:50Z
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@CZubair It's not just anyone's opinion. We have Hillary Clinton on video admitting all that. @Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi
(DIR) Post #9oplrV01SGKI6VS6jo by Sabawaheed@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T14:28:26Z
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@dearthofsid @CZubair @itsbhavikjoshi yes where she in detail admitted how n why n from where mujahidins were created n how wahabi islam was transported to Afghanistan that gave saudi terror the way to whole world ..
(DIR) Post #9oplrVKEF8UP7AuFEW by clacke@libranet.de
2019-11-10T14:34:16Z
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@Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid @CZubair It's not like it's some kind of secret. People were praising the mujahedin and bin Laden back when they had been fighting the people the USA intended.www.independent.co.uk/news/wor…
(DIR) Post #9oplrVUVcuiFd3iSG0 by moonman@shitposter.club
2019-11-10T14:58:24.890798Z
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@clacke @Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid @CZubair robert fisk is a pro islam apologist, he has praised gadafi too.
(DIR) Post #9oplrVlWbeK8Tpg2mO by clacke@libranet.de
2019-11-10T23:23:51Z
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@moonman @itsbhavikjoshi @Sabawaheed @dearthofsid @CZubair The point is that the creation of the mujahedin and al Qaida isn't some dark secret you can admit to, it's openly known Cold War fallout.
(DIR) Post #9opw2zNppKo747hxVw by clacke@libranet.de
2019-11-10T13:58:42Z
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@Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi @dearthofsid > call love bad?Žižek calls love evil for this reason. 😁
(DIR) Post #9opxes5BWGf3Nfc0kS by clacke@libranet.de
2019-11-10T14:13:08Z
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@dearthofsid I'm more on the side that I started with the view that my home religion and its siblings were destructive, but the others probably fine, because I didn't know much about them, and they seemed less dogmatic and had fewer extremists.Over time the world proved my flexible position wrong. The perceived harmlessness of non-Levant religion stems mostly from Orientalism and cultural relativism. Now I'm just skeptical of anyone building a moral system on supernatural claims.
(DIR) Post #9oqGjFYG6QecSK0q80 by khemtajose@mstdn.social
2019-11-11T05:09:58Z
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@dearthofsid Pew research shows that atheists are actually among the most informed about all religions compared to other religious groups. They may naturally have more knowledge about the one they left, but generally they take the time to read about others' too. Whereas religious people are often fed a lot of nonsense about other religions that they end up believing.
(DIR) Post #9oqadQ7NtyPMZawLEu by dearthofsid@mastodon.social
2019-11-11T07:23:20Z
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@khemtajose I didn't mean to compare between atheists and theists here. I am in agreement with the PEW research.
(DIR) Post #9oqadQP6q4aPSZEUro by khemtajose@mstdn.social
2019-11-11T08:53:00Z
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@dearthofsid oh, this is a critique of everybody then, not atheists in particular.
(DIR) Post #9oqmWLISczs92iVpE8 by clacke@libranet.de
2019-11-11T11:05:35Z
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@khemtajose @dearthofsid Maybe the point is that it's easy to have higher expectations on atheists, but turns out overall we're just disappointing normal people too, just like the theists.
(DIR) Post #9oqnO9jlp1uUpSwjwm by khemtajose@mstdn.social
2019-11-11T11:15:43Z
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@clacke @dearthofsid first I don't think anyone but atheists have higher expectations of atheists. Second, turns out we do perform better than other groups in this field for real, so...
(DIR) Post #9oqu2oelhh4J2wNVjs by bulkington@radical.town
2019-11-10T15:35:26Z
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@dearthofsid @CZubair @Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi would love a link on that if you have it.
(DIR) Post #9oqu2p4IAnU8K6JtWS by CZubair@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T16:55:51Z
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@bulkington @dearthofsid @Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi check Google, there are many audiovisual and text links on it.
(DIR) Post #9oqu2pp5MouofEDGSW by bulkington@radical.town
2019-11-10T17:11:30Z
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@CZubair @dearthofsid @Sabawaheed @itsbhavikjoshi I'm seeing things about the Mujahideen, but that's all common knowledge. Is she on record saying anything that links our actions to ISIS?I know there are Israeli officials on record saying that their goals better align with ISIS than with Syria, but I haven't ever heard anything that direct from an American official.
(DIR) Post #9oqu2qDtsYlTuBp58a by Sabawaheed@mastodon.social
2019-11-10T17:12:57Z
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@bulkington @CZubair @dearthofsid @itsbhavikjoshi will send you the link but you should check Links for congressional hearings of Hillary Clinton about American wars
(DIR) Post #9oqu2qc0Qw2z6x6Ki8 by bulkington@radical.town
2019-11-10T19:14:26Z
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@Sabawaheed @CZubair @dearthofsid @itsbhavikjoshi I've been watching clips this morning and I've yet to hear her say anything about 9/11. It's all about Afghanistan, which is something that nobody doubts and is accepted history. Similarly, that we supported Al-Qaeda offshoots in Syria is something that has been openly discussed. But I haven't heard anything about an open admission of support for ISIS, which would be a pretty big bombshell.I mean, I certainly think we had a hand in ISIS, but if there's someone of Clinton's tier stating it on camera in an official hearing, I would be quite surprised.Happy to wrong here if I am though.
(DIR) Post #9oqukoTlizCREoDFKq by hackiechan@mastodon.social
2019-11-11T11:43:36Z
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@dearthofsid This is an accurate one toot description of Richard Dawkins.
(DIR) Post #9oqukoqoLJdCOGzeFc by dearthofsid@mastodon.social
2019-11-11T11:47:43Z
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@hackiechan Thank you. I did have him in mind when I wrote it.
(DIR) Post #9oqukpH2lmcBhdGb8i by hackiechan@mastodon.social
2019-11-11T11:51:30Z
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@dearthofsid Yep. The pattern that you described is so clear in him that many of us can see it.
(DIR) Post #9oqukpZ7gZ4obhj2Js by clacke@libranet.de
2019-11-11T12:37:48Z
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@hackiechan @dearthofsid Of the so-called Four Horsemen I think Sam Harris is the worst in this aspect, and he's the one talking about spirituality and meditation, which makes my cognitive dissonance even stronger.With Dennet and Hitchens I don't see this. Hitchens is a rather informed and equal opportunity fierce antagonist, and Dennet I'm afraid I haven't read much, but he comes off more of a slightly rebellious and mostly thoughtful old man from what I've seen.