Post 9nLOaZOaLqBsnLHguW by interserver@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #9nE6FwS87qiYhJBQ2a by sir@cmpwn.com
       2019-09-23T21:20:55Z
       
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       Advertising is the actual devil
       
 (DIR) Post #9nE6Pg8rciC10SoYro by ink_slinger@coales.co
       2019-09-23T21:22:22Z
       
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       @sir The devil's greatest trick was convincing people he didn't exist. His second greatest trick was using PR and marketing to reintroduce himself, but with a positive reputation this time.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nE6Y81BrdPFmPFpei by tmo@mastodon.technology
       2019-09-23T21:24:04Z
       
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       @sir and the Internet is the Hell in which he reigns
       
 (DIR) Post #9nE77qN2xEPRTKVY6S by amiloradovsky@functional.cafe
       2019-09-23T21:30:30Z
       
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       @sir adverse teasing
       
 (DIR) Post #9nE9iFWT7K5hoSP008 by nergal@linuxrocks.online
       2019-09-23T21:57:28Z
       
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       @sir how so? How does one inform others of something? How do services broadcast their presence?
       
 (DIR) Post #9nE9qojc5F7HKzdUi8 by doesntgolf@octodon.social
       2019-09-23T21:58:01Z
       
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       @sir that's an insult to the devil.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nE9xaDYSL1sLBrp3I by sir@cmpwn.com
       2019-09-23T21:58:36Z
       
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       @nergal there's a huge difference between push and pull advertising. Push ads are like spam emails and most ads on the web. Pull ads are like adding an RSS feed for a company you like to your reader, or asking your friend to suggest a VPS provider.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nEAEkmQRF8I1SMh7o by temporal@mastodon.technology
       2019-09-23T22:01:57Z
       
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       @sir advertising is cancer.http://jacek.zlydach.pl/blog/2019-07-31-ads-as-cancer.html
       
 (DIR) Post #9nECqxviCDFpib3cMS by nergal@linuxrocks.online
       2019-09-23T22:34:40Z
       
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       @sir the initial portion of providing a product or service, one has to do push advertising though. Let's say one has a service that other's neither considered or yet know the capabilities. The provider would push ads to a group of users that may be interested (say hn or lobsters). When would one switch to pull ads?
       
 (DIR) Post #9nED0DZvNst4rFHK5o by sir@cmpwn.com
       2019-09-23T22:36:26Z
       
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       @nergal posting to e.g. HN is a form of push advertising. When you do, your content shows up in /new, not on the main page. People who go to /new to browse and upvote posts have explicitly consented to viewing content unreviewed by the community, and then decide to push it upwards for broader consumption by giving it their upvote. This is less so the case on quieter platforms (e.g. lobsters) where there's very little required between /new and the front page.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nEEFcyJM2sNuab3s8 by nergal@linuxrocks.online
       2019-09-23T22:50:23Z
       
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       @sir answers from an unexpected angle. Satisfactory all the same.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nJz4zpxoZPrWUyiVE by interserver@mastodon.social
       2019-09-26T17:28:25Z
       
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       @sir let's get real here, the culprit isn't "push" advertising, it's the industry that monetizes on clicks and accompanying concepts like viewer attention as a resource.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention_economyI'm curious to know if you consider advertising your project on Twitter and Reddit a justified move?https://web.archive.org/web/20150211095452/https://blog.mediacru.sh/2014/07/12/State-of-MediaCrush-2014.html#finances
       
 (DIR) Post #9nK1cVVlGu2hDudTsG by sir@cmpwn.com
       2019-09-26T17:57:09Z
       
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       @interserver twitter and reddit are both effectively push mediums as well, see my rationale for HN for Reddit and consider that you only see tweets you from people you follow.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nLOaZOaLqBsnLHguW by interserver@mastodon.social
       2019-09-27T09:49:11Z
       
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       @sir Ok. So there is a rationale? In that case, distinction between push and pull advertising seems superfluous. What we need is ethical advertising, and some guidelines how to do it right. Including, for example, how your friend can opt out of recommending you that VPS. That is in fact unethical advertising, despite being "pull", because a friend, instead of refusing, might feel compelled to glance at a catalog he understands nothing of and offer you to follow on the first deal he found there.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nLdWVgbhPR3RdEhEG by sir@cmpwn.com
       2019-09-27T12:36:32Z
       
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       @interserver that would be a shitty and/or stupid friend. They should tell you they don't know.
       
 (DIR) Post #9nLvs8qH6zdw8nDrEW by interserver@mastodon.social
       2019-09-27T16:02:10Z
       
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       @sir No, he might otherwise be a fine person, yet engage in unethical advertising. Push or pull ads distinction is misleading.