Post 9mv8j1G7xKe93ZI41o by OTheB@mastodon.technology
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(DIR) Post #9muv9jj1r7Cp8XedSC by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:17:28Z
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Wow, we did not expect the level of interest you all have had in the #PineTime!More info: - Cost will be approximately 25USD- Charging dock included in price- Built-in heartbeat monitor- Case built of Zinc alloy and plastic - Battery life measured in days- Sorry, can't run Linux itself. SoC is nRF52832, which uses a Cortex-M4 core. That's why we need FreeRTOS :)
(DIR) Post #9muveduHXSf24Heg08 by kicou@kicou.info
2019-09-14T15:22:57Z
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@PINE64 shut up and take my money!
(DIR) Post #9muvolDnCJoteMbbxg by scops@social.tchncs.de
2019-09-14T15:23:34Z
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@PINE64 What about the display type... does it use a eink or mirasol display?
(DIR) Post #9muw18HXHlYIe5Fvma by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:26:12Z
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@scops 240x240 IPS, I believe transflective
(DIR) Post #9muwD2sxAvzPNqREZ6 by aschmitz@ostatus.lardbucket.org
2019-09-14T15:29:05Z
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@PINE64 For a battery life in days, with a screen that size at that price point: what are you using for a screen? (Any idea about the expected duty cycle on it for your estimated battery life?)
(DIR) Post #9muwO3MHkygW2JPHyC by scops@social.tchncs.de
2019-09-14T15:30:38Z
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@PINE64 hm that's not a good choice.. i have a xiaomi bip at the moment; ~30 days battery life with notifications on and always displaying clock, steps,... with ips this would be barely possible :(
(DIR) Post #9muwUnS5ILgwjLKp2e by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:31:44Z
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@aschmitz 240x240 transflective IPS, I believe.
(DIR) Post #9muwnaWHbKGy7jG7pQ by kicou@kicou.info
2019-09-14T15:34:55Z
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@PINE64 joke aside, I was wondering what I was going to replace my Withings HR* with after I get a Librem5 and a Pinephone.$25 for a smartwatch with HR? You gotta be kidding me!I was considering going for AsteroidOS but the Pinewatch looks way more fun.*the Withings HR is very nice but entirely proprietary, and it will turn into a regular analog watch once I'm on a Linux phone.
(DIR) Post #9muwrK3ElwtCCpSClU by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:35:58Z
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@PINE64 so more smart watch, less fittness tracker?
(DIR) Post #9muwvzJXIee5L4InnE by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:36:43Z
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@jordan31 It's very much in line with the Pebble devices. It's no Apple Watch, but it's far more capable than a fitness tracker.
(DIR) Post #9mux9W5ikL76lBI7F2 by jordan31@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:39:53Z
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@PINE64 well ill admit I am intrigued. Wouldn't mind having a watch I could poasibly pair with my Ubuntu Touch phone.
(DIR) Post #9muxoirCBkdCE195pA by kelbot@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:46:34Z
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@PINE64 Very cool! What is the display tech? I'm really hoping for pebble style memory LCD or similar battery and sunlight friendly non-light emitting display.
(DIR) Post #9muxtIVjZQDBxhHxnk by aschmitz@ostatus.lardbucket.org
2019-09-14T15:46:50Z
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@PINE64 Cheers! It certainly looks interesting. Any word on an accelerometer for step count, etc?
(DIR) Post #9muxwKnHXRxFuYwdFo by j@mathstodon.xyz
2019-09-14T15:46:57Z
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@PINE64 Hmm.... specs of the nRF52832 should be enough to port micropython to it. Not particularly useful, but probably fun.
(DIR) Post #9muy00Rt7gJbyEglYu by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:47:34Z
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@kelbot It is IPS. Trying to get a solid answer on if it is transflective or not.
(DIR) Post #9muy4vqvdeZTADkZRA by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:48:41Z
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@aschmitz Yes, it has an accelerometer built-in.
(DIR) Post #9muyAO7xwP26IwJwv2 by kelbot@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T15:50:07Z
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@PINE64 Well its exciting and i'm interested either way. Hopefully we'll get a spiritual successor to pebble some day.
(DIR) Post #9muyWgoz7ObWeZ4oqG by aschmitz@ostatus.lardbucket.org
2019-09-14T15:55:12Z
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@PINE64 Sounds great. Best of luck with it!(I'm interested in using it, and maybe minor hacks on it, but I don't have enough RTOS experience to offer any help right now.)
(DIR) Post #9mv23WN7I2BFfCO97A by triF5@social.tchncs.de
2019-09-14T16:34:42Z
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@PINE64Great!!! It would be a good idea to cooperate with #Gadgetbridge!?
(DIR) Post #9mv29HwvpBx6fetI0G by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T16:35:46Z
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@triF5 Already had someone from Gadgetbridge reach out to us. :)
(DIR) Post #9mv2I1xidOd3h3QZTk by triF5@social.tchncs.de
2019-09-14T16:37:03Z
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@PINE64Whoooo xD, just wanted to buy a new tracker. Now I'll wait for you!
(DIR) Post #9mv2vlxDZUIHd28xmq by Alonealastalovedalongthe@toot.cafe
2019-09-14T16:44:23Z
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@PINE64Oooohh
(DIR) Post #9mv4CRqTgjKC8iVSW8 by Strit@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T16:58:48Z
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@PINE64 this is awesome. 😀
(DIR) Post #9mv4w5mQ3jcB1eNB5s by nick@toot.cafe
2019-09-14T17:06:52Z
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@PINE64 don't have time to ramp up on FreeRTOS to help out on the development front, but is there a crowdfunding campaign or something I can contribute to in order to expedite #PineTime to market?
(DIR) Post #9mv57ugl7dcg6MMVXM by henriquesga@social.librem.one
2019-09-14T17:09:02Z
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@PINE64 what devices will it work with? Only the PinePhone? The PinePhone and the Librem? Replicant/LineageOS?
(DIR) Post #9mv5Fl78bVUoiuRR7w by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T17:10:33Z
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@nick We have the funding to bring it to market, we just need to get them produced, and software to run on them.
(DIR) Post #9mv5JUxwaJzZnZvN0S by OTheB@mastodon.technology
2019-09-14T17:11:01Z
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@PINE64 How would it be used? Like what main tasks would it do on top of time and date? Would it connect to a phone like a #Librem5 or #PinePhone? How would information be shared between the devices? *What* information would be shared between the devices? How might people develop for it? Will it connect to the internet or be airgapped and connect to a local device with e.g. bluetooth. What are the main goals at the moment? Is there a website talking about the concept so far?
(DIR) Post #9mv5Rq0IFa41Ma02wi by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T17:12:48Z
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@henriquesga We want to bring it to as many platforms as possible. There will certainly be a Linux app/program for it, and we have already had interest from Gadgetbridge to make it work with Android devices as well.
(DIR) Post #9mv5pSJjy1VEqqMFVo by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-14T17:16:28Z
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@OTheB Those are almost all software matters. Like all of our other devices, we want to make it as open as possible, allowing you to run different firmware if you wish.What we do know is that it will communicate with a local device over Bluetooth (supports up to BT5.0, including LE).
(DIR) Post #9mv6Y3JJmx50KEQSES by henriquesga@social.librem.one
2019-09-14T17:25:05Z
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@PINE64 ha, that's great. I partially ask because my girlfriend showed interest for the PineTime, but she doesn't intend to use a Linux phone. If it works with Android, perhaps at one point she'll get one.
(DIR) Post #9mv8bHoaWB0K5Rio6K by carl@linuxrocks.online
2019-09-14T17:47:59Z
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@PINE64Can it run plasma nano? :thinkergunsunglasses:
(DIR) Post #9mv8j1G7xKe93ZI41o by OTheB@mastodon.technology
2019-09-14T17:48:25Z
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@PINE64 Great! I was asking more about things that will come stock or at least what projects or communities currently plan on targeting the device and what they're planning and/or getting up to.It's one thing having this amazing little device, but if there's nothing to run on it then I can't see it doing so well. What's the current vision of what'll be available to run on the device and what might it do?
(DIR) Post #9mvBoAfkgVnhYtQMng by DiabolusAlbus@chaos.social
2019-09-14T18:17:22Z
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@PINE64 Hi, have you considered using tock os (https://github.com/tock/tock)? If you considered it, and decided against it, I'd appreciate if you could possibly elaborate on your reasons, because I deem that helpful for other/future projects. Thanks in advance! :)
(DIR) Post #9mvCLMmefy9MgGTwHY by xal@social.isurf.ca
2019-09-14T18:29:02Z
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@PINE64 Always keeping an eye out for a Pebble 2 replacement. No need for touch-screen. If e-ink display, even better.
(DIR) Post #9mvGHMUeDIXSREPAVU by er1n@social.mecanis.me
2019-09-14T19:13:42Z
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@PINE64 if you're interested in people to do testing/appdev, I have RTOS experience and have worked with Cortex-M4 stuff a lot :)
(DIR) Post #9mvX9ZPnz7JTQ20hyi by blendergeek@mastodon.social
2019-09-14T22:23:07Z
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@PINE64 is it not possible to port Linux?
(DIR) Post #9mvlHeXKE6XUyeHBI0 by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T01:01:35Z
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@DiabolusAlbus I don't think we were aware of its existence. It certainly looks like an option to be considered.
(DIR) Post #9mvmLAo6njX9szMwOe by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T01:13:26Z
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@er1n Email info@pine64.org with details.
(DIR) Post #9mvndaTGDrS2eBxh8C by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T01:27:54Z
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@blendergeek It is not a relatively simple matter of porting it. The Cortex M cores are microcontrollers, and are much simpler than the Cortex A series. In particular, they do not have a memory management unit (MMU), which is necessary for normal Linux. There is a variant of Linux (uCLinux) which technically works on the Cortex M cores, but the chip we are using likely does not have enough RAM, and uCLinux seems to be a dead project as far as I can tell.
(DIR) Post #9mvrQqIcSfgXn3A9aa by yabadaba@pony.social
2019-09-15T02:10:21Z
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@PINE64 Will the display be always on? If not, will it turn on automatically with a wrist tilt gesture?
(DIR) Post #9mvrr5c29MwwoPl8Ea by yabadaba@pony.social
2019-09-15T02:15:11Z
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@PINE64 Is it possible that there might be 2 versions with different shapes? There is another similar chinese-manufactured case called the "DI03" That is round instead of square. (e.g. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32902465972.html). Would it be possible to use 2 different form factors for the watch?
(DIR) Post #9mwRggr4wI5VTz8Y9Q by mon@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T08:56:03Z
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@PINE64 Try and get the nRF52840 if you can fit the 1mm bigger package - the 4x RAM is hugely useful to have headroom
(DIR) Post #9mwl3BnOTvjowWr5WK by sfcgeorge@ruby.social
2019-09-15T12:33:29Z
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@kelbot @PINE64 So it this a Pine64 design or are you re-badging an existing smartwatch?
(DIR) Post #9mwl8VE1fdWkeOqVCy by sfcgeorge@ruby.social
2019-09-15T12:34:16Z
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@PINE64 I hope you mean 250USD 😋
(DIR) Post #9mwovR58AFH3qsi4bw by jardasmahel@mastodon.social
2019-09-15T13:16:59Z
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@PINE64 Holy shit :) Looks promising !
(DIR) Post #9mwwEbETLctkVzAFsG by neil@mcphail.uk
2019-09-15T10:01:59.920340Z
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@PINE64 @blendergeek Wasn't ucLinux merged with mainline? I do agree, though, that running Linux seems a bit wasteful for a microcontroller based device like this.
(DIR) Post #9mwwEbkjPghc82G19k by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T14:38:54Z
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@neil @blendergeek You're not wrong, but the Cortex M support was not merged to mainline. Also most of the chip support that was brought over was ended in 4.17.
(DIR) Post #9mwwIuMABehGz9ofQm by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T14:39:40Z
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@sfcgeorge @kelbot The casing is an existing one, but the internals are customized by us.
(DIR) Post #9mwwNO7DUBvKRIxejI by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T14:40:17Z
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@sfcgeorge Nope. $25. :)
(DIR) Post #9mwxFMUHkqVl1nUKEC by sfcgeorge@ruby.social
2019-09-15T14:50:19Z
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@PINE64 wow.
(DIR) Post #9mx2bdyNvMLFOr0kmO by blendergeek@mastodon.social
2019-09-15T15:50:22Z
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@PINE64 Wow. I wasn't expecting a response. Thank you. I look forward to buying a pinetime and I guess I'll learn a new OS.
(DIR) Post #9mxBgKOr1UAJjLhUQa by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-15T17:30:43Z
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@marlon No it is not.
(DIR) Post #9mzQfdBTaM8DKNULlA by MattDementous@mastodon.social
2019-09-16T19:29:23Z
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@PINE64 is it actually unable to run Linux or just infeasible from a practical usage standpoint atm?
(DIR) Post #9mzQpwrPHgM3FT1MKe by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-16T19:31:08Z
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@MattDementous It is technically possible. There is a port of Linux called uCLinux which works on the core, but that project seems to be dead, and the PineTime may not have enough RAM to run it.Even if you can successfully run it, it would be a poor experience. An embedded RTOS is a much better solution.
(DIR) Post #9n2BqjN00kZ3rNaogS by zachdecook@social.librem.one
2019-09-18T03:27:19Z
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@PINE64Can it tap morse code to us?
(DIR) Post #9n2zaWd4bn95Q6Zrl2 by Azt3c@mastodon.social
2019-09-18T12:44:47Z
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@PINE64Patiently waiting for my new #pinebookpro. Will definitely order both #pinephone and #pinetab when they are available. And for the full experience #PineTime!
(DIR) Post #9nBJdPJHoTJHoQ94PA by hyphen@anime.website
2019-09-22T13:07:17.215633Z
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@PINE64 pls include physical safety measures like hard fall detection. They have actual life-saving uses!
(DIR) Post #9nFXemi2Ndp7dfecFM by Odd_Bloke@wrestle.town
2019-09-24T14:02:51Z
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@PINE64 Hey, I'm a long time Pebble fan (and started app dev for it just as they shut down). I have been on the lookout for my next watch. What can I do to get my hands on a dev kit?
(DIR) Post #9nFd3HvEU085AGKUbo by PINE64@fosstodon.org
2019-09-24T15:03:28Z
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@Odd_BlokeUnfortunately all the available devkits slots have already been allocated. You might not be able to get one unless an extra run of them are made.
(DIR) Post #9nFfPHopkNYD7ixCMq by Odd_Bloke@wrestle.town
2019-09-24T15:29:52Z
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@PINE64 Nooooo! Oh well, I look forward to the production hardware then!
(DIR) Post #9zeysFQWN8anZzWcym by drh@octodon.social
2020-09-29T19:00:00Z
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@PINE64 Any word on when these might be on sale for the general public?
(DIR) Post #9zf0xOZvyOk1JsVhnk by m0n5t3r@ps.m0n5t3r.info
2020-09-29T19:24:33.181046Z
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@PINE64 I assume it should be able to run espruino / the banglejs firmware as well, right? I'd try it just to see if the pedometer is usable (the one on banglejs watches is completely useless), and pinetimes look a bit more... stylish too