Post 9moSuAb5TSqR0lTKWe by mpjgregoire@mastodon.club
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(DIR) Post #9moGMrw0dp8w7lc2ls by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T10:12:16Z
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The Court of Session Appeal Court has agreed with the petitioners. All three judges in the appeal court have stated that the prorogation of the Westminster Parliament is unlawful & unconstitutional.BOOM!There is no interdict (temporary stop to the action) as the case was already known to be going (final appeal) to the Supreme Court on Tuesday 17th.BoJo is not out (yet), but he is reeling, on the canvas, and the referee has started the count.#politics #Brexit
(DIR) Post #9moGsdSM0TxeUGtB3I by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T10:18:01Z
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Congratulations to Joanna Cherry (and others) for another famous victory. First victory was confirmation that Article 50 could be unilaterally revoked. Now, prorogation of parliament is judged to be unlawful.Fingers crossed that the Supreme Court agrees.
(DIR) Post #9moJdvoBn7e4vMmZVo by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T10:48:58Z
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I'm thinking Joanna Cherry QC MP was pleased with to-day's result.
(DIR) Post #9moKGKOIqIggAZz1EG by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-11T10:55:53Z
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@fitheach I think you are right.
(DIR) Post #9moLfGqhFU2kNUino0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T11:11:37Z
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Ach!This thread was meant to be a continuation of my original post about the Cherry Case at The Court of Session:https://mstdn.io/@fitheach/102610052767863091In my excitement, I made a new post rather than a reply. 🙄
(DIR) Post #9moLygiVISsy6k9GC0 by wizardofosmium@mastodon.social
2019-09-11T11:15:05Z
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@fitheach You'll not have been the only excited person after hearing that news.It put a smile on my face.
(DIR) Post #9moMKIdBWmprmHxvwO by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T11:19:02Z
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@wizardofosmium I'm not sure it will change much, about the Brexit situation, but it is an extraordinary development that the UK government has acted unlawfully.TBH I've always been unhappy about the position of the Supreme Court, bu that is a fight for another day.
(DIR) Post #9moMNmNjN6oiuuOdqC by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T11:19:41Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Something about her body language, I think.
(DIR) Post #9moMheBbYJ9NI4CLz6 by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-11T11:23:10Z
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@fitheach 🤔 Yup.Her facial expression also seems to express some happiness.
(DIR) Post #9moPKKZQcJ8DegunPE by mhamzahkhan@intahnet.co.uk
2019-09-11T11:52:34Z
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@fitheach I'm really not into politics, but all this stuff going on has been so crazy I can't help but grab the popcorn
(DIR) Post #9moRsjYcQEwyuB4K8m by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T12:21:15Z
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@mhamzahkhan Yeah, UK politics has turned into a soap opera. We even have cartoon-style baddies, like Boris Johnson. From an entertainment standpoint, what's not to like?
(DIR) Post #9moSuAb5TSqR0lTKWe by mpjgregoire@mastodon.club
2019-09-11T12:03:59Z
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@fitheach Interesting. I would have thought it was a matter of royal prerogative, between the sovereign and her first minister, and not subject to judicial review. I recall that that was the ruling for a similar case here in Canada ten years ago or so, when the PM was granted an early general election, notwithstanding a fixed election date law that he himself had brought in.But of course the constitutional law of the Canada branched off from that of the UK long ago.#canpol #ukpol
(DIR) Post #9moSuApGckBfik6ecy by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T12:32:33Z
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@mpjgregoire That was kind of the government's argument, too. However, in Scotland the Claim of Right is still in force. In particular, CoR strengthens parliament at the expense of the royal prerogative.Also, I can't help thinking the UK gov failing to provide an affidavit may have had an effect.The attached photo shows the crucial part of the judgement.
(DIR) Post #9moYPYGi0x0jAsivL6 by Shufei@mastodon.social
2019-09-11T13:34:26Z
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@fitheach Wow! O.o. Was not expecting this.Things are moving too quickly to keep up, ha. Thanks for reporting!
(DIR) Post #9moeYPevzZounwfBuC by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T14:43:16Z
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@Shufei Yup, it's a never ending soap opera, but everyone in the UK is living in it. 😃
(DIR) Post #9momJcLLLmaHQtxK0O by mpjgregoire@mastodon.club
2019-09-11T13:24:50Z
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@fitheach Thanks for the documents.I don't think those paragraphs hold up very well. Yes, the prorogation was intended to restrict Parliament's ability to interfere with the government's plans for #Brexit, but events have proven that Parliament did in fact retain sufficient power to scrutinise and even to bind. If the prorogation had started a week earlier and lasted until the start of November, then this finding would be more plausible.#ukpol
(DIR) Post #9momJcdQGZ2uKyPlBY by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T16:10:04Z
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@mpjgregoire The court has effectively determined that the prorogation was a tactic to frustrate parliament. Whether parliament were able to make good use of the time (if not prorogued) is a different matter.
(DIR) Post #9mpD92HOvKD80eqPPk by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T21:10:51Z
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Unlikely looking heroes (is it the wigs?), but proclaimed as heroes nonetheless."Heroes of the people"#politics #Brexit #CherryCase #media
(DIR) Post #9mpDNV02wKJJ8aciOm by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-11T21:13:25Z
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@fitheach It's the wigs. Definitely the wigs.OK, the red silk robes *and* the wigs.
(DIR) Post #9mpDjwpu7pIdqEaGqe by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T21:17:31Z
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@ParadeGrotesque I wonder if the wigs are still powdered.Do judges wear wigs anywhere else in the world? Perhaps in some Commonwealth countries.
(DIR) Post #9mpEM3EELWunkbhHPs by ParadeGrotesque@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-11T21:24:24Z
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@fitheach Mostly Commonwealth countries, yes.I remember seeing the Ghana Supreme Court once (at least i think it was Ghana), and the wigs were... Let's say surprising.Also funny: a lot of courts in Germany require their judges to wear funny little hats.Here is a good comparison: http://jjmccullough.com/judges.htm
(DIR) Post #9mpGJc99qwBLt9wQ88 by tsturm@mastodon.cloud
2019-09-11T21:46:21Z
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@fitheach Lord Brodie looks like someone you don’t want to cross.
(DIR) Post #9mpGtZlWBSIcvc21su by tsturm@mastodon.cloud
2019-09-11T21:52:55Z
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@ParadeGrotesque @fitheach We visited the UK Supreme Court - mostly because there’s a cafe and restrooms in the basement. But the court was a big surprise and amazingly open - tourists can wander around the building unattended and even walk into ongoing sessions. Our kid got to sit in the main judge’s chair and the guards had a good laugh about it. 😊
(DIR) Post #9mpMhZT3thSo9p17QG by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T22:57:59Z
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@ParadeGrotesque Lovin' the hats in Haiti.I think I've discovered a new hobby: image searches for court costumes. 😃
(DIR) Post #9mpMs4WnGsGHNuln7Y by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T22:59:51Z
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@tsturm A Hanging Judge, maybe?
(DIR) Post #9mpN3FpBbvk5bdhlVA by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:01:52Z
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@tsturm Well, let's hope your kid doesn't make a habit of visiting courts when he is older (unless he becomes a lawyer 😉 ).@ParadeGrotesque
(DIR) Post #9mpNFhKNBHnsNdE3ea by tsturm@mastodon.cloud
2019-09-11T23:04:08Z
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@fitheach I told him at that moment that he is the most powerful person in the UK as long as he sits there. Apparently that will be true now in another week.
(DIR) Post #9mpNqKLda7CfpCHdQ0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:10:42Z
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A "House of Cards" reference from The Herald for Thursday, September 12UK's political meltdown - The house of cards starts to collapse#politics #Brexit #media
(DIR) Post #9mpODhclCus2fuRGmO by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:14:57Z
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The Herald and The Scotsman are both Unionist papers, so it is quite extraordinary to see them making such pointed remarks about a UK government.We are coming to the end of times.#politics #Brexit #media
(DIR) Post #9mpOcD5B5FOc2ZWEQC by zladuric@mastodon.technology
2019-09-11T23:19:23Z
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@fitheach so what happens on 7th?
(DIR) Post #9mpOdd5DtniiyCDVi4 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:19:33Z
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Final front page for to-night, from The National. No surprise to see them having a go at the Tories, but it isnt really any different from the Herald and Scotsman.Nice picture of Joanna, too.NOW TORIES MUST RECALL PARLIAMENT#politics #Brexit #media
(DIR) Post #9mpOuXc5UOiCvbeYQy by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-09-11T23:22:44Z
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@fitheach but they have booke their add Holidays already
(DIR) Post #9mpP0ZKzzVGc0uXBiq by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:23:47Z
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@zladuric The 17th?The final appeal* is heard at the Supreme Court.* I say the final appeal because I am assuming the Boris Johnson government wouldn't appeal to the European Court of Justice. 😃
(DIR) Post #9mpP9wStNDniLdhCBk by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:25:31Z
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@yukiame I'm hoping some of them might be spending their leisure time "at her Majesty's pleasure".
(DIR) Post #9mpPgpKUg9m7Dip9N2 by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-09-11T23:31:28Z
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@fitheach yap she has a pleasure room in the basement of Buckingham palace
(DIR) Post #9mpPnIL3jjUivbAlQO by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-11T23:32:38Z
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@yukiame I was thinking more Tower of London or Wormwood Scrubs.
(DIR) Post #9mptF2JluWR3YhJhoW by zladuric@mastodon.technology
2019-09-12T05:02:34Z
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@fitheach yes, I've meant the 17th and the appeal. Say that the court still finds the move illegal. What then?
(DIR) Post #9mr5bVc4n8kuYOVG64 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-12T14:28:31Z
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@zladuric That'll be most interesting. BoJo will then have been in breach of the Court of Session Appeal decision, which may be impeachable. If so, then he couldn't be PM or MP and possibly go to prison. Cool, eh?Regardless, if the Supreme Court also find that it was unlawful, then parliament must be reconvened. May not stop Brexit, but the government will look really stupid.[Other legal opinions are available. 😃 ]
(DIR) Post #9mr5bVpXz3WzEAo15s by zladuric@mastodon.technology
2019-09-12T18:55:47Z
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Well at least something should come out of it. Otherwise the message is that they (the governments) can just do whatever they please.
(DIR) Post #9n0ceUi10HkZMQtPVo by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-17T09:18:30Z
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The action (sic) has now moved to the Supreme Court, for the final appeal (in the UK, anyway). As well as the Scottish case the N. Ireland and England & Wales cases are being considered at the same time.A crowd has gathered outside the court.#CherryCase #Brexit
(DIR) Post #9n0clsOhKSQwr9NRzM by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-09-17T09:19:53Z
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@fitheach what should come out of this?
(DIR) Post #9n0do0gZaHCZ5yJrrE by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-17T09:31:25Z
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You can watch proceedings live at this link:https://www.supremecourt.uk/live/court-01.html#CherryCase #Brexit
(DIR) Post #9n0f3MGVjY3OJz0m5Q by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-09-17T09:45:24Z
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@fitheach Too much buffering over here in NA I'm afraid.
(DIR) Post #9n0p10Q8ynNrXA2Bdo by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-17T11:37:02Z
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Just back home (late #DogWalk, to-day).The QCs for the petitioners (ones taking the action against Johnson's government) are going to town on the lack of a witness statement (affidavit). I just knew this would come back to haunt Johnson's government, after the Court of Session action. Regardless what else happens this will be crucial.#CherryCase #Brexit
(DIR) Post #9n0pGz4RlZrZyqVLuK by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-17T11:39:56Z
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@gemlog I guess the SC didn't foresee the need for geographically dispersed CDNs. :blobsad:
(DIR) Post #9n0pUUTYJaHB95gikC by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2019-09-17T11:42:21Z
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@fitheach @gemlog perhaps they should have listened to these two lads 30 years ago 😉 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy9GmieAEaQ
(DIR) Post #9n0piyQPlDLG5P7tWi by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-17T11:44:59Z
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@vfrmedia @gemlog "Miami to Canada"Yup!
(DIR) Post #9n0qHCh7DJYYBhGCAK by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-17T11:51:10Z
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@vfrmedia @gemlog Funny! I don't think I've ever seen the video before now.A bottle of Talisker; a good choice. 😃
(DIR) Post #9nFJ6IIrWYnY8FXQe0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T11:20:05Z
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So, that's it, the Supreme Court has dismissed the appeal and confirmed that the prorogation of the Westminster parliament, on the advice of PM Boris Johnson, was unlawful.What happens now? Who knows?#CherryCase #Brexit
(DIR) Post #9nFLgvkAYx6YmtuMMa by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T11:49:07Z
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Nice quote from Joanna Cherry QC MP on the outcome of the Supreme Court appeal:"It’s very much in keeping with the Scottish constitutional tradition that neither the government, nor indeed the monarch, are above the law."Too true.#CherryCase #Brexit
(DIR) Post #9nFcePlKCDyUEzpo5A by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T14:59:08Z
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Joanna Cherry has written a nice summary of the court decision, and what (should) happen next:https://www.thenational.scot/news/17923046.joanna-cherry-defining-moment-failure-british-state
(DIR) Post #9nFg2TzqPADoBYnItk by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-24T15:36:41Z
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@fitheach Just informed Matt Beringer of The National of this clear breach of copyright. That Scottish rag can expect a 'cease and desist' and a take-down notice by the end of the week.
(DIR) Post #9nFgdkmGyZWOwhDb5k by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T15:43:50Z
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So, PM Boris Johnson is in serious trouble regarding the unlawful prorogation of parliament.Suddenly, *someone* leaks the legal advice from Geoffrey Cox (Attorney General for England & Wales) that the prorogation was legal.It appears Mr Cox has been thrown under one of the PM's busses.#politics #Brexit #FallGuy #BoJo
(DIR) Post #9nFgvZSdn1OD3nX1P6 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T15:47:03Z
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@andyc Should think that is unlikely as the article was wriiten by Joanna Cherry, who is a QC.Who is Matt Beringer?
(DIR) Post #9nFh9edpKG3hBITmXg by Shufei@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T15:49:37Z
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@fitheach If you’re in a patronage scheme and you don’t know who is lined up to be “that bloke”... then you’re “that bloke.”
(DIR) Post #9nFhQoJ2e5du4wwCrg by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T15:52:44Z
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@Shufei Was that in the script for The Godfather?
(DIR) Post #9nFhaapbbDlVBQplku by Shufei@mastodon.social
2019-09-24T15:54:29Z
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@fitheach Ha, very like.
(DIR) Post #9nFiFEPVreEXWG0Vwu by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T16:01:50Z
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@Shufei "sleeps with the fishes"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nyON_VDIhw
(DIR) Post #9nFlniwT9f4Pv4YrBo by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-09-24T16:41:32Z
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@fitheach Lead singer of The National. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_National_(band)
(DIR) Post #9nFm6InmZEcULjMBaS by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T16:45:01Z
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@andyc No, no, no. That's Matt Berninger. No wonder my Internet search drew a blank. 😃
(DIR) Post #9nFyHqZyWVSbk9Abdw by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T19:01:35Z
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Seen elsewhere:"Lady Hale and the Supremes" 😃 #DianaRoss #TheSupremes #BoJo #Brexit #CherryCase Source: https://twitter.com/pforpaddy/status/1176484145171718144
(DIR) Post #9nFzfed6hd15aRYE7s by ScottMortimer@infosec.exchange
2019-09-24T19:17:05Z
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@fitheachHere, here!
(DIR) Post #9nG0sRJFddMFzevLSC by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-24T19:30:36Z
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@ScottMortimer A very parliamentarian response. 😉 Although, I believe it is actually "hear, hear".
(DIR) Post #9nHbHSmt4TJrKCyfDM by ScottMortimer@infosec.exchange
2019-09-25T13:53:14Z
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@fitheachI stand corrected.