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(DIR) Post #9miCq7ak2pROae0G9I by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T12:04:28Z
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Scone PalaceScone, near Perth.Initial part of the palace was built in the 12th century, and has been added to in the centuries since.Scone is a village, just across the River Tay from the city of Perth.#Scone #Perth #Scotland #photo #photography #castles
(DIR) Post #9miDep5wZgunzZm3do by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T12:13:35Z
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Before I continue, a word or two about pronunciation.Scone (Sgàin) the place, and the palace, is pronounced like "scoon". Rhymes with the Scots word "toon" (town).Scone (sgona) the semi-sweet bread, is pronounced like "scon". Rhymes with the English word "gone".#Scone #Perth
(DIR) Post #9miEqu9Hi5fT5zf516 by Nasenspray@metalhead.club
2019-09-08T12:26:59Z
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@fitheach And - maybe a dumb question - has it anything to do with scones?
(DIR) Post #9miKvBOU8OVhSpC85Q by Hyolobrika@mastodon.org.uk
2019-09-08T13:35:01Z
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@fitheach Or does it rhyme with stone?
(DIR) Post #9miOOOqVV06PRdvPjk by jamie@fosstodon.org
2019-09-08T14:13:54Z
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@fitheach We have had many arguments about the correct pronunciation of scone (the baked one) in our house. It is, of course, pronounced as you say. The savages here rhyme it with stone.
(DIR) Post #9miOvoPtRrxaJ7PPv6 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T14:19:57Z
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A very short distance from Scone Palace is the chapel on Moot Hill (Tom-a-mhoid/Collis Credulitatis). This is the hugely significant location where the Kings of Scots were crowned from the 9th century onwards (and possibly much earlier).The crowning ceremony was quite probably conducted in two parts: a Christian element in Scone Abbey and the, much older, "pagan" ceremony outside on the hill.Scone was, in this early period, the capital of Scotland and a royal centre.#Scone #Perth #Scotland
(DIR) Post #9miP5WNvLS5BHL7LQe by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T14:21:43Z
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@jamie Arguments had while enjoying a cup of tea and a scone, presumably. 😃
(DIR) Post #9miPFp7iWvnkI7RvNo by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T14:23:34Z
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@Hyolobrika Not in our house. 😃
(DIR) Post #9miQTA5Q0AOB1dIXnU by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T14:37:12Z
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@Nasenspray No, not dumb. The two words having the same spelling (in English) is a coincidence. This is what leads to the confusion about the pronunciation. Scone was used as an approximation of two different words, with similar, but different pronunciations.The two words have Gaelic (or at least Celtic) origins, but aren't related to each other.
(DIR) Post #9miRQBVUMcMAW4dWvg by Nasenspray@metalhead.club
2019-09-08T14:47:50Z
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@fitheach Good to know, thanks.
(DIR) Post #9miSbMn4qrEQeSl8jo by jamie@fosstodon.org
2019-09-08T15:01:04Z
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@fitheach Of course. It's the only proper way to argue.
(DIR) Post #9miSipeDxYFyB5B6ie by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T15:02:24Z
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@jamie Yeah, but what about the really big question: raisins or plain?
(DIR) Post #9miSs8NrfV0utQxgpM by jamie@fosstodon.org
2019-09-08T15:04:06Z
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@fitheach Plain. Fruit is for rock buns.
(DIR) Post #9miSxMkPgxZ8tC0GxM by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T15:05:03Z
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@jamie Yay!
(DIR) Post #9mijHy9WJs0GyWbVg0 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T18:08:03Z
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The most significant part of the ceremony was the future king being placed on the Lia Fàil. This was the large rectangular block of stone, which in English is known as the the "Stone of Destiny" or "Stone of Scone".During the Wars of Independence (1296) King Edward 1 of England stole the stone. It then sat in Westminster Abbey until 1950.A replica of the stone sits outside the chapel in Scone.Many believe, me included, that the stone taken by Edward wasn't the real one.#Scone #LiaFàil
(DIR) Post #9mioZ4TPcieh7SO704 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T19:07:10Z
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On Christmas Day 1950, four Scottish students (Ian Hamilton, Gavin Vernon, Kay Matheson & Alan Stuart) removed the Stone from Westminster Abbey and returned it to Scotland.A massive search was conducted by the British gvernment, but the Stone wasn't discovered. After 4 months the Stone was left on the altar of Arbroath Abbey. The Stone went back to Westminster.Yet again there are rumours that the Stone returned to Westminster wasn't the original.#Scone #LiaFàil
(DIR) Post #9miqjGWbs2oNIhs95c by wizardofosmium@mastodon.social
2019-09-08T19:31:26Z
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@fitheach So, there could be at least 3 stones.
(DIR) Post #9mirdCuyT6vSKXwZXs by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T19:41:33Z
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@wizardofosmium Yes. Historical descriptions of the Stone prior to the 13th century don't fit with the sandstone object which was at Westminster. Some descriptions had the stone as shiny and black. Even more strange is the sandstone is of the type found around Scone. However, it is likely the Stone was brought by Kenneth MacAlpin from Argyll, where that sandstone isn't found.Ian Hamilton might know the authenticity of the 1950 Stone, but he is in his nineties, and the last of the four.
(DIR) Post #9miwirlQWz2CEMznIe by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T20:38:35Z
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In 1996 the Stone was returned to Scotland, and housed in Edinburgh Castle, alongside the Honours of Scotland (crown, sceptre etc.). You will note that 1996 was the 700th anniversary of the Stone being stolen.The Scottish Government are consulting on a proposal to house the Stone in Perth city centre, just a couple of miles from its former home. The consultation ends on September 19th. You can have you say here:https://consult.gov.scot/commissioners-for-the-safeguarding-of-the-regalia/the-stone-of-destiny/consultation/subpage.2019-07-31.6127724309/#Scone #LiaFàil #consultation
(DIR) Post #9miy8lXMPA4qOyKW1Y by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-09-08T20:54:27Z
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There is a great wee movie calledStone of Destiny (2008) which tells the (slightly fictionalised) story of the Stones removal from Westminster Abbey. It stars Charlie Cox, as Ian Hamilton, and was written and directed by Charles Martin Smith.To get a better idea of the real events surrounding the Stone's removal, in 1950, you should read the book "A Touch Of Treason" by Ian Hamilton. Highly recommended.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_of_Destiny_(film)http://www.nwp.co.uk/9781906000813#Scone #LiaFàil #movies #film #books