Post 9l8vFbwJD1SQD5FfNI by colomar@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #9l8v4i445zzi1NgJc0 by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T13:22:11Z
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After I've just rejected another project offer from a company whose company values I disagree with, I started thinking: Wouldn't it be great if all of us IT people could band together and sign a pledge not to work for unethical companies?If enough of us did it, given how hard it is to find good people in our line of work, we could have a real impact!Agreeing on a definition of "ethical" would not be easy, but I bet we could find some common ground.Let me know if this proposal makes sense!
(DIR) Post #9l8v4jATzcipRZgxFo by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
2019-07-23T13:38:22Z
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@colomar Wouldn't it be better to sign a manifesto of positivity that defines what we expect from an ethical company instead? Being against is simple. But change comes from defining what to support IMHO.
(DIR) Post #9l8vFbwJD1SQD5FfNI by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T13:40:23Z
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@jwildeboer Yes, that makes perfect sense, but I'd still want to say "We'd only work for ethical companies according to our manifesto.".I want companies to feel that it's not just nice words, but it will have an impact on their recruitment.
(DIR) Post #9l8vSMRq7K5Dve50CW by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
2019-07-23T13:42:42Z
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@colomar Sure. I agree with that. But signing a pledge to NOT work for unethical companies is too vague for me. That's why I thought that turning it upside down makes more sense. Also good for companies to sign that manifesto!
(DIR) Post #9l8vnVblFtzcQ3nwB6 by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T13:46:30Z
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@jwildeboer Absolutely, being positive is always better than being negative. As a psychologist, I should have phrased it in a positive way right from the beginning. Oh well, thank you for reminding me :)
(DIR) Post #9l92pOl4OSDlQv0TCK by illyrion@troet.cafe
2019-07-23T13:48:03Z
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@colomar how will you define "unethical"? Will be challanging.
(DIR) Post #9l92pPdJ8nbe98Nmjo by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T13:49:42Z
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@illyrion As @jwildeboer already mentioned: What we should do is write a list of criteria for what we consider "ethical" instead. Agreeing on those criteria won't be easy, either, but we love challenges and problem-solving, don't we? ;)
(DIR) Post #9l92pQ5fRMI7Z5eQwS by shellkr@mstdn.io
2019-07-23T15:05:16Z
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@colomar @illyrion @jwildeboer Maybe a license of sort or a point system. Like if you have 10 points to follow. A company could be at 5 point or 7 point compliance. It would motivate a company to strive for better compliance.
(DIR) Post #9l93u9p5RvkuVxicb2 by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T15:17:22Z
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@shellkr Interesting point! Partial compliance could also be possible indeed.@illyrion @jwildeboer
(DIR) Post #9l94CLfs7oceU25Bq4 by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
2019-07-23T15:20:36Z
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@colomar @shellkr @illyrion let’s brainstorm some quantifiable indicators?
(DIR) Post #9l94MyjBmPqGV9he08 by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
2019-07-23T15:22:35Z
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@colomar @shellkr @illyrion it should be some list of maybe 5 indicators IMHO. Not a single score. It should come from regular internal surveying and published voluntarily and transparently.
(DIR) Post #9l94WsS3yAyFvqPdYG by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
2019-07-23T15:24:22Z
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@colomar @shellkr @illyrion those that sign the manifesto are obligated to do that. Not only companies but IMHO also candidates. A uniform system could result in making it part of the CV, making matching much simpler. Saves time for both sides.
(DIR) Post #9l94n0aTUNsjnW2TUu by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T15:27:16Z
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@jwildeboer Agreed, an overall score probably isn't of much use. If someone e.g. cares a lot about sustainability, they won't work for a company that checks every box _except_ for sustainability.@shellkr @illyrion
(DIR) Post #9l9515rKgX5WCbdlTc by colomar@fosstodon.org
2019-07-23T15:29:49Z
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@jwildeboer As for the indicators: I think we can borrow a lot from criteria that various NGOs have already developed, no need to re-invent the wheel. There are already criteria for various areas of corporate responsibility out there, we just need to select the ones that make most sense for us.@shellkr @illyrion
(DIR) Post #9l95J9n8nrDfbwIERE by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
2019-07-23T15:33:05Z
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@colomar @shellkr @illyrion We had a similar idea some time ago for an ethical cryptocurrency, where you would have devaluation coupled with ethical factors. So you could make sure your "coins" could never be used for example to pay for weapons. Let me try to find that plan again in my archive.