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(DIR) Post #9kAaMEAdiAPbko1tCa by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-24T11:03:35Z
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Can you guess who is the subject of this quote:"He's lied his way through life, he's lied his way through politics, he's a huckster with a degree of charm to which I am immune. As well as being mendacious, he's incompetent."Don't look it up, take a guess.I'll provide the answer later today.#quote #politics
(DIR) Post #9kAaWMJCJEP7tCrajI by letthewatersroar@toot.cafe
2019-06-24T11:05:26Z
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@fitheach 'The degree of charm' part tipped me off to which mop-headed sociopath it was referring to. Close one though
(DIR) Post #9kAbCodlMYk7vAjBCK by gwmngilfen@fosstodon.org
2019-06-24T11:13:07Z
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@fitheach I'll be more interested to know who the author is, not the subject :)
(DIR) Post #9kAcD2MSRtFyQiIpqi by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-06-24T11:09:58Z
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@letthewatersroar the cynical anarchist in me says "every successful male head of state, ever". I can certainly think of a wide range of candidates, from multiple countries and flavours of politics.@fitheach
(DIR) Post #9kAcD2YVj4tj25wSdU by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-24T11:24:20Z
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@strypey @letthewatersroar Personality is still a crucial ingredient in politics, anywhere in the world. A rational choice made on the basis of policies and abilities would be admirable, but I'm not sure when & how we get there.
(DIR) Post #9kAcjHoEY6FHbjfkAq by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-24T11:30:11Z
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@gwmngilfen Ah, yes, indeed. I don't make a habit of quoting Churchill, but this is perceptive.A newly elected young Tory MP, eagerly taking up a place on the benches and pointing to the benches opposite, said to Churchill, "So that’s the enemy".Churchill supposedly replied, "No son, that’s the opposition",and then pointed to the benches behind and said, "That is the enemy".#Churchill
(DIR) Post #9kAdkeMQHxXhnFsVo8 by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-06-24T11:41:35Z
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@fitheach I have a fair idea. Is it some entitled posh twat who spills red wine on the sofa ?
(DIR) Post #9kAgf7Zl3RW8WlAeW0 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-06-24T12:14:12Z
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@fitheach true that. I'm sypathetic to the narrative messaging strategy promoted by #GeorgeMonbiot et al. But my anecdata says that the 1% win more often, the more political discussion is focused on scandal, political celebrity cults, and the handwaving of armchair tacticians. Focusing on policy and its likely real world implications, seems to make it harder for parties to pretend to care in public and serve the 1% in private. People know more what to look out for.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kAv0lOZbGUNSu9Yvo by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-06-24T12:20:10Z
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@fitheach I tend leftwards as a voter (green, indigenous, or workery left, as available), but my observation is that the real political battles happen between election campaigns, between democratic social movements and whoever controls both public and.private government. I'm less interested in getting "good" people elected as building consensus on what "good" people would do once elected, how to tell if they're doing it, and how to make sure they do (besides voting).@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kAv0leAfGxwFHS1FA by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-24T14:55:02Z
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@strypey "Celebrity" politicians succeed because many people don't follow politics and aren't interested in devoting time in understanding the issues. It is far easier to vote for what feels right or to make assessments on the human characteristics.Polling on voting intentions is important. However, for the reasons stated above politician's approval ratings are equally important. This is why Jeremy Corbyn will never be UK PM. Might be unfair, but that is how it works.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kBCA9RLGp9jriVicq by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-24T18:07:13Z
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As many of you alluded to and some named explicity the quote was about Boris Johnson the "likely" future UK Prime Minister.I also like this quote from his former boss, Max Hastings, when BoJo was at The Telegraph:"If the day ever comes that Boris Johnson becomes tenant of Downing Street, I shall be among those packing my bags for a new life in Buenos Aires or suchlike, because it means that Britain has abandoned its last pretensions to be a serious country…"
(DIR) Post #9kBCQlRHl57QLoPDXM by personanonduvda@social.bau-ha.us
2019-06-24T18:10:12Z
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@fitheach*raises the comical pair of scissors* annnd *snip*
(DIR) Post #9kBDKiib3rBY84BWdc by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-24T18:20:20Z
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@personanonduvda Alternatively, we could just leave up there on permanent display.
(DIR) Post #9kBFtA1MFzqaYpVi9g by personanonduvda@social.bau-ha.us
2019-06-24T18:48:56Z
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@fitheachLike gibets? But for the crims. Hehe 😃
(DIR) Post #9kCTjMrwUem8yLUuPo by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-06-25T08:58:44Z
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@fitheach That image is quite marvellous !
(DIR) Post #9kCTwVmoeNvwOSMp4i by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T09:01:10Z
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@andyc One of my favourites, I've used it a few times. I think it was taken during the London Olympics (2012).
(DIR) Post #9kCfbbAedPnWShJNpo by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T11:11:50Z
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Extraordinary!If Boris had admitted he'd had an argument with his girlfriend everyone would have accepted that, and moved on.However, he (or his team) made an attempt at news management by publishing a "lovey-dovey" photo of him & his girlfriend (attached). Boris won't answer when the photograph was taken.It is no longer a personal matter, it is now a question of honesty & integrity.#politics #Boris #Conservatives #Tories
(DIR) Post #9kCfldJLX4KdzmA6jo by yukiame@noagendasocial.com
2019-06-25T11:13:39Z
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@fitheach this Idiot is a Lier and the opposite of integer and i couldn't care if he had fucked his girlfirend unconscious
(DIR) Post #9kCg4bvctfi9D37Hfs by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-06-25T11:17:01Z
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@fitheachCaption competition:'Well *when* did the gardener say he could come round to mow the lawn ?'
(DIR) Post #9kCgCm5N16A51nZD72 by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-06-25T11:18:30Z
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@fitheach 'Boris darling. We really should have worn green in order to defeat those damned paparazzi'.
(DIR) Post #9kCgJFcY7Py8MpAs08 by andyc@mastodon.sdf.org
2019-06-25T11:19:40Z
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@fitheach 'For God's sake, how long does it take to prepare a Chicken Caesar Salad ?'
(DIR) Post #9kCjMSdYTs81T2rojw by personanonduvda@social.bau-ha.us
2019-06-25T11:53:54Z
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@fitheachWe should be wise to this shitshow by now.This guy stamped an abritary number on the side of a big red bus and ran with it - he will do owt for power, the fucking sociopath.
(DIR) Post #9kCjmeQxF909aFSgZE by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T11:58:39Z
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@andyc On that I'm 100% behind Boris, every garden needs a wild area. The fact my whole garden is a wild area is beside the point.
(DIR) Post #9kCjwLGnLgyj2mKYfg by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T12:00:24Z
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@andyc They are wearing a sort of camouflage.
(DIR) Post #9kCnmK2nS1waAAGDrM by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T12:43:25Z
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@fitheach Well, he's established himself as a liar then. In an interview with auntie he said he wouldn't involve loved ones - and then released that photo?
(DIR) Post #9kCvROo1LqloU0sphw by mpjgregoire@mastodon.club
2019-06-25T12:20:11Z
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@fitheach I don't have the impression that Mr. Johnson is running as the "honesty and integrity" candidate.But I'm far away. What do you think is the root of his appeal to Tories? Does he have an appeal to the UK public in general?#ukpol
(DIR) Post #9kCvRP2uSUgDEBqium by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T14:09:02Z
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@mpjgregoire The Tory party membership are overwhelmingly pro-Brexit. Boris (with Michael Gove) led the main vote Leave campaign, so he is seen as an arch Brexiteer, and therefore has support within the Tory party.What support Boris has in the UK is probably based on his character as an affable clown. If he wins the leadership I suspect his popularity will evaporate quickly.On the other hand Boris isn't popular in Scotland, but then neither is Jeremy Hunt.
(DIR) Post #9kCvTYLcqTg2ekd33I by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T14:09:40Z
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@gemlog You're not the first person to say that about Boris.
(DIR) Post #9kDFiD4aE1uK6HvKoC by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T17:56:24Z
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This just gets better and better (or worse and worse).Two things not necessarily related.1. How do you know when a politician is lying?Their lips move.2. Now watch this clip of a journo asking an *easy* personal question of Boris. It is absolutely amazing:https://youtu.be/gRHfgF0l1Jc?t=6m#Boris #Tories #Conservatives #politics
(DIR) Post #9kDICOhlk42ilwm6Vc by tsturm@mastodon.cloud
2019-06-25T18:24:16Z
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@fitheach It’s always the cover-up that gets you.
(DIR) Post #9kDIdoQWDWM2MjmKdk by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T18:29:16Z
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@fitheach I couldn't even finish watching that it was so cringe-worthy.Perhaps he and trudeau could get together as a couple.
(DIR) Post #9kDIo5x9uPxRcQwtSC by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2019-06-25T18:31:06Z
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@gemlog @fitheach years ago a nun told us kids (I was in Catholic junior school then) "don't tell lies; as you have to tell 100 more to sound convincing and for all that effort you may as well have told the truth" (this was when counting to 100 was still quite a task).BoJo isn't even putting in the effort here...
(DIR) Post #9kDJFZJiqItoVZbSYi by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T18:36:03Z
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@tsturm All the President's Men?
(DIR) Post #9kDJRYSFsICbJCJGVs by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T18:38:15Z
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@gemlog Aye, I'm like that, too. I feel a certain discomfort watching performances like that, even when it is people I don't like.Threesome with Trump?
(DIR) Post #9kDJSBgS1RjMyWFeYS by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T18:38:17Z
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@vfrmedia @fitheach In a Catholic school cafeteria, a nun places a note in front of a pile of apples, “Only take one. God is watching.”Further down the line is a pile of cookies. A little boy makes his own note, “Take all you want. God is watching the apples.”
(DIR) Post #9kDJg1IhQIXYpJjnea by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T18:40:50Z
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@vfrmedia If you did tell lies, did the nuns ever wash your mouth out with soap?I've heard of such things, not sure if it is an urban myth.@gemlog
(DIR) Post #9kDJteHVnwftUKgHcO by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T18:43:19Z
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@fitheach @vfrmedia My nana did, not for lying but for cussing with words I brought home from school.Trust me, it's hard to get soap out of your teeth! Blech!
(DIR) Post #9kDJyllFQHog8M20Tg by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T18:44:14Z
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@gemlog Man in the pub decides he needs to go to the loo, but he hasn't finished his beer. He leaves a note next to the beer stating: "I've spat in this beer".When he comes back from the loo someone has added some text to the note: "I've spat in the beer, too".@vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #9kDK9nwDfZ0u4SQQXg by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2019-06-25T18:46:14Z
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@gemlog@fitheach I was in a fairly progressive diocese and the nuns were by and large decent to the kids (old style discipline methods would have only resulted in hassle from Thames Valley Police and Berkshire Social Services, who by the late 1970s had been told to clean up their own act which when this happens to authorities often means they become quicker to find fault in others)
(DIR) Post #9kDKOz2SgC8GqJaCPo by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T18:48:59Z
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@vfrmedia @fitheachThey stopped using pointers, yardsticks and straps on us in about 1972 I think.Made a huge difference!Mostly in the noise level and the talking back: both rose quite a bit.
(DIR) Post #9kDKdShbBj1ItejDZQ by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T18:51:36Z
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@gemlog @vfrmedia It was a case brought by two Scottish mothers in 1982 that led to the tawse being outlawed, and all forms of corporal punishment elsewhere in the UK. The case went to European Court of Human Rights.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawse
(DIR) Post #9kDKmJN1FllSYoK2DI by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T18:53:12Z
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@fitheach @vfrmediaVery similar to what we had. Made out of rugged conveyor belt material or very similar.
(DIR) Post #9kDLDDqnsogZGD5NDM by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T18:58:03Z
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@gemlog The tawse was made out of leather, and had two or three tongues at the end for extra stinging effect. They also had abend in the middle, so they could be worn over the shoulder and under a jacket. A bit like having a gun in a shoulder holster.Most of them were made by one company in the Fife town of Lochgelly, so the tawse was also known as a Lochgelly. When they were banned it probably put people out of work. :blobsad: @vfrmedia
(DIR) Post #9kDLMKRqitRCKQkvGC by vfrmedia@social.tchncs.de
2019-06-25T18:59:41Z
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@fitheach @gemlog although the law banning corporal punishment in state funded schools only got implemented in about 1987 (and private schools permitted it as long as 1998) both religious and secular junior schools in Berkshire with any Council funding had stopped the practice by the late 1970s (this was after all a fairly middle class affluent bit of SE England)
(DIR) Post #9kDLsUJHanNwBI5EkC by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T19:05:29Z
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@vfrmedia @gemlog One of the links on the page I posted earlier:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Foundation_for_Children,_Youth_and_the_Law_v_Canada_%28AG%29
(DIR) Post #9kDPZ5tUXuhIlr1mO8 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T19:46:48Z
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#Boris #bus
(DIR) Post #9kDR3tvvALZCbePy1w by tsturm@mastodon.cloud
2019-06-25T20:03:35Z
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@fitheach Great movie. Also, very unusual, especially for 21st-century eyes.
(DIR) Post #9kDRPPGZrh8RrjKmnI by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-25T20:07:29Z
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@tsturm It was a great movie, but originally a superb book. Well worth a read.
(DIR) Post #9kDSWTtz80wmDwhii0 by gemlog@mastodonten.de
2019-06-25T20:19:52Z
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@fitheach @vfrmedia I actually liked that madam justice.In that ruling I also like her reliance on the old 'a reasonable man' notion of common law (now 'reasonable person' - same thing).I just learned she is now working in HK! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverley_McLachlinWell, lucky HK then! Very smart and fair woman.@clacke
(DIR) Post #9kKU2GPRyYvRBcIPvU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-06-29T05:39:52Z
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@fitheach > many people don't follow politics and aren't interested in devoting time in understanding the issues. Sure, but why? Partly it's to do with modes of cognition. Adults who still think like children, or like medieval villagers can't understand what policy is, let alone understand why it would or wouldn't solve a given problem. But who is served by discouraging people from developing the capacity to understand policy and distracting us with trivia?@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kKUqTgmsPU2qrLids by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-06-29T05:48:56Z
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@fitheach > This is why Jeremy Corbyn will never be UK PM.Never say never, but I don't think it matters much either way. In the 80s the UK left focused on getting a Labour govt elected, assuming nothing could be worse than Thatcher. Turns out it could. A change of governnent is the joy of fools, as the old saying goes. As a group, politicians fall towards the largest political centre of gravity. If you want to change where governments go, focus on moving that centre@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kKjngXa8YtD9aAazQ by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-29T08:36:31Z
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@strypey There is a bread & circuses element & the eternal trope that politics is boring. I'm not sure if either of those are intentional strategies to dissuade people from political engagement or are they things people say because they believe them to be true.I see it in other spheres of life, too. People will avoid (re)making product choices, prefering instead to rely on a decision made decades ago. Insurance will be renewed rather investigated again. Similar I think.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kKlICvKP07CEHOYMK by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-06-29T08:53:15Z
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@strypey I agree to an extent. There has been a gradual change in politics in recent decades (in the UK, at least). Taking the Labour party as an example, we had the Michael Foot tenure which was ideaology driven. The Tony Blair tenure which had triangulation as one of its main strategies. The Neil Kinnock tenure was somewhere between the two.I've see political leaders recover from bad VI poll ratings, never from bad personal satisfaction ratings:https://twitter.com/keiranpedley/status/1144278566949007365@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kR7yrgp2q7LVBCfPU by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-02T10:35:42Z
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@fitheach important takeaways from the Corbyn phenomena for me are a) despite claims to the contrary from the Blairites, there is still a significant appetite for social democratic politics in the UK electorate, b) both the tories and the Blairites will do anything, including join united fronts with theocratic crypto-fascists, to keep the left out of government, c) it's too late for the left to return to nation-state-level social democracy - something more radical is needed.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kRBiRKxefu2xDOwj2 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-07-02T11:17:35Z
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@strypey I'm not arguing against the sort of policies Corbyn might believe in, I just don't think he is the right person to deliver them or that he will achieve the position necessary to implement them.There is also a significant disconnect between what hemight believe and what he is saying now. Why would that change even *if* he was elected?@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTF0kxU88slCRlYKe by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T11:03:55Z
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@fitheach I think a huge part of Corbyn's appeal was that he voiced truths that have become unfashionable or even taboo, eg criticizing the market and pointing out the ways public ownership of infrastructure, with democratic oversight, is better than corporate ownership. As soon as he started talking like a typical politician, calling a spade a portable digging implement and shrinking from controversy, he started carving his own political gravestone.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTeG7Es4XODV0Jpcu by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T15:46:47Z
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@fitheach I think it's both. By analogy, there is a natural tendency for people to die, but states and corporations have various ways of making it more likely to happen when it suits them ;) A #NZ tory MP objected to allowing people to register to vote on polling day, because it favours left parties. My belief is that an informed, policy-focused electorate does too. If tories are willing to openly demand voter suppression, I think it likely they also use policy supression.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTgOHD55EgmeIV6Rs by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T11:06:26Z
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@fitheach but as I've indicated, I think the Corbyn phenomenon, like the Bernie one, was a cork popping out of a bottle of pressurized, social(ist) democratic frustration among a much younger demographic than theirs. Defeating the old men of the movement only makes them martyrs, as we've seen with Bernie.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTgOHUo1KrpXGnG4m by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-07-03T16:10:43Z
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@strypey I'd broadly agree with that assessment of Corbyn and the similarity of his position to that of Saunders.However, there is also a huge difference and it is due to Brexit. A very large majority of the youth support for Corbyn were also Remain voters. Corbyn just managed to hold this constituency by being Brexit-ambiguous, but in the last few months he has started losing them. @letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTgvSX40ZuHJwfbg8 by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-07-03T16:16:43Z
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@strypey Hmmm, I'm not a Tory, but I can see some problems with having voter registration on polling day, too.In general, I'm not in favour of making it easier to vote in the belief it will increase voter participation. Equally, I'm not saying you should have to complete an assault course before being allowed to vote.Voter participation will be increased because people see a value in casting a vote.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTmNSfpZkblddwVlY by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T17:17:46Z
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@fitheach My point was more about what that MPs comment revealed about tory willingness to use anti-democratic manipulation to game the political process, but ...> I can see some problems with having voter registration on polling day, tooOK, like?> I'm not in favour of making it easier to vote in the belief it will increase voter participation. Based on experiments in #NZ, like mobile voting booths and allowing early voting, it clearly does. Is that bad?@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTn9Ug9QKL7l0zoiO by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T17:26:28Z
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@fitheach totally agree and in fact this is precisely my point. Support for both Corbyn and Sanders (and to some degree Trudeau in Canada and Agent Orange himself) was based on a perception of 'best of a bad bunch' or maybe 'not wearing an old school tie' rather than a broad consensus on policy. As this new generation of voters gets more nuanced and a broader range of out-of-the-box candidates emerge (maybe even new parties), the importance of these symbolic candidates fades.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTndxoHgAFwnGKU9Q by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-07-03T17:32:00Z
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@strypey Well, I don't know *exactly* the words your MP used. The MP may have had my reservations.In the UK the easing of postal voting was argued mainly on the back of increased voter participation. However, it has substantially increased voter personification.I'd worry that there would be pressures on election staff to quickly process registrations to get on with the voting process. Not good.I'd also worry about what party activists might be motivated to do...@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTog1VV0LK4nE5ZK4 by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T17:43:32Z
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@fitheach as of the last few NZ elections you can vote early, up to 2 weeks before Polling Day, and register to vote any day *except* Polling Day. No problems created by being able to register and vote during early voting AFAIK. The Election organizers can hire more staff if needed, but given that you can register digitally now, they probably wouldn't be needed.https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/96583147/how-to-vote-in-the-2017-nz-election-all-the-tips-and-tricks-you-need-to-be-wary-ofPostal voting, like digital voting, is a whole different kettle of fish.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTopByBTRlPqfsUtM by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2019-07-03T17:45:12Z
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@fitheach > I'd also worry about what party activists might be motivated to do...OK, like?@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTppZImpCwoAOG3NY by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-07-03T17:56:30Z
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@strypey > I'd also worry about what party activists might be motivated to doI was going to explain, but I didn't have any of my 500 characters left.In tight elections they could round up un-registered people. There is/was a long tradition (UK) of activists giving voters a lift to the polling place. Taking un-registered folk would only be one additional step.@letthewatersroar
(DIR) Post #9kTuEt5wlvh4bqa53o by fitheach@mstdn.io
2019-07-03T18:45:53Z
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@strypey @letthewatersroar Oops, I typed personification earlier. I did, of course, mean personation, but I got away with it, I think. 😃