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(DIR) Post #9jyS21VRxNK59d6D5s by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T12:44:04Z
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The Rise of Progressive Occultism - The American Interest https://www.the-american-interest.com/2019/06/07/the-rise-of-progressive-occultism/
(DIR) Post #9jyS21m6xQeNzItW40 by Azure@vulpine.club
2019-06-18T14:01:49Z
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@enkiv2 Including The Satanic Temple in this is very much ♪ One of these things is not like the other… ♪I read a…I won't say it's good…A /really enjoyable/ book that was the counterpoint of this called Dark Star Rising going into the putative occult roots of the Alt-Right and suggesting that Trump may be not a man, but a tulpa or egregore conjured up and propelled into office by memetic magicians enacting hypersigils over the entire Internet.
(DIR) Post #9jyaZQHVfC1ZBO12q8 by mattskala@mstdn.io
2019-06-18T16:09:29Z
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@enkiv2 This is a subject I wrote about at some length in my own Web log last month: https://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/355The David Chapman article I cite in there may also be of interest, though that's more from a Buddhist perspective than my own pagan perspective.
(DIR) Post #9jyedVK3GLXHnAPG9Q by aeonofdiscord@icosahedron.website
2019-06-18T14:05:14Z
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@Azure @enkiv2 yeah I think ST confuses a lot of people's radars because they have a superficially woke public image and did some anti-trump/anti-gop stuff
(DIR) Post #9jyedVUKe7l8J3DTAu by Azure@vulpine.club
2019-06-18T14:07:01Z
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@aeonofdiscord I was thinking more that ST is less occult than all the others. At least nothing I've read in their material suggests that they advocate or practice magic. Being much more, as I understand it, "Satan's pretty cool. Wanna' hang out and also be generally nice to people and enforce the separation of church and state?" @enkiv2
(DIR) Post #9jyedVjZjRx74KLdw0 by aeonofdiscord@icosahedron.website
2019-06-18T14:10:32Z
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@Azure @enkiv2 ah, I was referring to the central figures actually having far-right views, which was the subject of an extremely detailed series of posts on an antifascist blog that now appears to have been suspended
(DIR) Post #9jyedVt99rbnY0pHqy by aeonofdiscord@icosahedron.website
2019-06-18T14:13:06Z
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@Azure @enkiv2 I think it was related to this but there was definitely other stuff going on https://www.vox.com/2018/8/9/17669894/satanic-temple-alt-right-marc-randazza-lawyer-lucien-greaves
(DIR) Post #9jyedW5uOPoiBanTkG by Azure@vulpine.club
2019-06-18T14:18:03Z
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@aeonofdiscord At least on the face of it this and the other stuff I was able to find on short notice looks more like the ACLU/Antifa disagreement than them being aprticularly alt-right. (But, as you say, in the other source you mentioned there might have been more going on.)@enkiv2
(DIR) Post #9jyedWGtjYbijfwFsG by aeonofdiscord@icosahedron.website
2019-06-18T14:18:33Z
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@Azure @enkiv2 yeah it seemed like there was a LOT of internal beef
(DIR) Post #9jyedWXYjbw1ZLjYqO by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T14:23:44Z
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@aeonofdiscord @Azure @enkiv2OP actually sort of fails, on several levels, to discuss the political diversity of new religious movements (something I did a whole thread on in the twitter version of this post). TL;DR version: the evangelicalism of the religious right is also a 20th century religion, & one heavily influenced by the 'new age'. The left just *acknowledges* the syncretism.
(DIR) Post #9jyee46RwuS5f7JOJE by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T14:25:05Z
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@enkiv2 @aeonofdiscord @AzureMore precisely: religious movements that pretend to be ancient tend to have right-leaning adherents, but that doesn't relate to actual ancientness, & this applies even when the claim is ridiculous (ex., kekism).
(DIR) Post #9jyeg9XWhrlD6RyKvI by Azure@vulpine.club
2019-06-18T14:27:17Z
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@enkiv2 If you have a link to Evangelicalism being influenced by the New Age I'd love to read it! (I guess charismatics might fit more into that description than others?)My view of evangelicalism (having grown up with it and looked at the history) or specifically FUNDAMENTALISM, is of a dysfunctional antiauthoritarianism (not 'antiauthoritarianism is bad' but 'These people tried to be antiauthoritarian and /failed/')Rejecting explicit traditional and actual linguistic and historical scholarship and the idea that 'the spirit is the teacher' and accidentally conjuring up the implicit assumption that since the spirit is the teacher there can be no /intellectual/ disagreements, anyone wrong is wrong because they lack The Spirit or are bad somehow. And creating implicit traditions and lineages without owning up to them existing…@aeonofdiscord
(DIR) Post #9jyeg9pxbKVQ1cb3ei by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T14:32:12Z
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@Azure @enkiv2 @aeonofdiscordSo, the doctrine of the rapture is actually a 19th century thing (it came out of the same outflowing that gave us mormonism, edgar cayce, spiritualism, and theosophy). 50 years later, another surge happened (overlapping with theosophy) & this is the first wave we call the 'new age' -- this provided prosperity theology, among other things.
(DIR) Post #9jyegT81sNFTrACFxQ by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T14:35:04Z
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@enkiv2 @Azure @aeonofdiscordThe second wave of the 'new age' came through in the 60s & by that point some of evangelicalism had started to stablize, so there's less influence but definitely not none. Crystal healing & angelic magic are very in line with certain evangelical ideas & so are cultural flashpoints between the influx of ex-jesus-freaks into the christian right & earlier bircher types.
(DIR) Post #9jyeimFPlL7ljTkfp2 by Azure@vulpine.club
2019-06-18T14:37:36Z
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@enkiv2 I had /forgotten/ about Frank E. Peretti inspiring a generation of people engaging in prayer vigils to give angels power to combat the Demonic Forces surrounding them in spite of theologians telling them that was nowhere in the Bible and to knock it off up until you mentioned Angelic Magic.@aeonofdiscord
(DIR) Post #9jyhD8BOyKF0MLTbDU by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T17:23:49Z
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@mattskala @enkiv2Don't worry. The right has its own wings of paganism that it tries to monopolize & enforce.
(DIR) Post #9jyhNeGwWG52mL5ENE by mattskala@mstdn.io
2019-06-18T17:25:47Z
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@enkiv2 I don't think left-right politics should be brought into circle at all.
(DIR) Post #9jykgRnZQ7VxSN04W0 by enkiv2@eldritch.cafe
2019-06-18T18:02:47Z
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@mattskala @enkiv2There is nothing more political than religion & nothing more religious than politics. Both represent an attempt at crystallizing an entire, complex, potentially internally inconsistent set of ideas into a small collection of general guidelines & heuristics.
(DIR) Post #9jylOVN7UnfBHTdWaG by mattskala@mstdn.io
2019-06-18T18:10:46Z
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@enkiv2 The questions of religion being inherently political, and distinguishing between what's brought in from outside and what may be inherent to a system, are discussed in my article at a considerably deeper level than vague generalizations. If you have read it, then I encourage you to respond in the comment section there.
(DIR) Post #9jzPd7DdZfuOskirpI by clacke@libranet.de
2019-06-19T01:41:27Z
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@enkiv2 @mattskala For historical context: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wewelsbu…
(DIR) Post #9jzQFjcZFEK6zKna3U by mattskala@mstdn.io
2019-06-19T01:48:35Z
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@clacke @enkiv2 As I said in the article comments, it's very difficult to reject taking a position a on a political issue at all, without it being perceived as "we should take the opposite position from yours."
(DIR) Post #9jzUqXi6tGpcZzCLEu by petit@social.ufeff.club
2019-06-19T02:40:03.784068Z
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@mattskala @enkiv2 This was a fun read. Interesting to compare this, "You should expect to be challenged eventually in, as I have said, whatever way is hardest for you personally.", to the Christian "God works in mysterious ways." or Job.