Post 9jLWowRksUBQIRdKtc by tootapp@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #9jL1ceuv85a9sKwFSC by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:02:24Z
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In case anyone was wondering due to recent discourse, Toot! will be blocking any gab domains.I do not support white supremacy and hatred, and will never support any server that promotes it.
(DIR) Post #9jL21epAbxxupMAXgW by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-05-30T14:08:41.657250Z
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@onesame@tootapp
(DIR) Post #9jL26zW96OQESCoWUC by james@abdl.link
2019-05-30T14:09:33Z
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@one aren't they just piggybacking of the APIs to get around App Store restrictions? I think it would be worse if @tootapp gets kicked off the App Store.
(DIR) Post #9jL2JIk1SDspYCAsXw by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:11:46Z
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@one If a person wants to go on gab, I do not want them as a customer.
(DIR) Post #9jL2LsqGChwU5sK7U0 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:10:42Z
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@james @one This is partly in self defence, but I would do it even so. Gab is awful, the home of actual mass murderers, and should be stopped.
(DIR) Post #9jL2QNykNbVXozRKwi by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T14:12:41.991300Z
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@one @tootapp its a decision every admin has to make by themselfs. and i agree with you so far, that an admin should consider its userbase. i would ask my users first before i would place an instance-wide block. i think, users should be in control on what they want or not want to see. i see instance-wide blocks as the last possible measure if my users demand it.sidenote: i don't know gab well enough, but i don't like what i read about it so far
(DIR) Post #9jL2RP004WwZH7Vj96 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:13:06Z
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@one @james I can not see hatred fester and stand by and do nothing. That is absolutely morally wrong.
(DIR) Post #9jL2XmzJnJh7PgEm3s by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:14:24Z
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@one That’s a sloppy slope fallacy. I will block what I find abhorrent. Nothing more, nothing less.
(DIR) Post #9jL2hZ0Kdka0wJN8m8 by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-05-30T14:16:14.934308Z
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@oneWhat if instances in return block selected clients, like @tootapp for example?(I don't like gab either btw) @absturztaube
(DIR) Post #9jL2ptPKfJAyXH2ONk by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T14:17:21.116461Z
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@one @tootapp i didn't mean blocking a whole instance, but blocks the admin sets on its instance. admins always have to consider that each block (if it is user, words or instances) affect their whole userbase. that's why i see it as the last measure you should take if all else fails (that's at least my take on it. other admins might think differently)
(DIR) Post #9jL2rozc3Bu9QFvXxA by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:16:47Z
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@succfemboi @absturztaube @one They are welcome to, that is between them and their users.
(DIR) Post #9jL2rpEr8W68BX3iiG by succfemboi@iscute.moe
2019-05-30T14:18:06.588057Z
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@tootapp but that would make your app unusable for some paying customers@one @absturztaube
(DIR) Post #9jL3Pupmq299NxaY8O by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:16:19Z
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@one Or slippery slope, although "sloppy slope" sounds pretty hilarious, thanks autocarrot.
(DIR) Post #9jL3Pv1U8XVJyF3tMu by selea@social.linux.pizza
2019-05-30T14:24:14Z
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@tootapp autocarrot :blobaww:
(DIR) Post #9jL73hC7GnNIWnh2Lg by enigmatico@misskey.io
2019-05-30T14:39:50.906Z
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@tootapp@mastodon.social It will be me the one deciding which instances I want to block and which don't, not your app. I don't support white supremacy or hatred either but enforcing blocks on instances is not right.What if someone uses gab WITHOUT THE INTENTION to support extremism? Now your app is blocking that person to me and I don't like your app.
(DIR) Post #9jL8gf0XQxhCzgQBPM by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T14:34:27.258329Z
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@succfemboi @tootapp @absturztaube @one > In case anyone was wondering due to recent discourse, Toot! will be blocking any gab domains.Ahh, a app to pay for does censorship as Apple in the store itself. It is not a question whether gab is good / bad, whether people are good / bad and so on. It is censorship. And as mentioned before, which domain / people / opinion will be the next ?Exactly, it is your decission. As mine is, to don‘t buy apps which do censorship.
(DIR) Post #9jL8gfJKJ6izvxDBh2 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:36:24Z
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@nawi Gab is absolutely bad, though. The question is, when you see evil, do you stand idly by and do nothing?I don't.
(DIR) Post #9jL8gfX9ThmecpgEF6 by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T14:41:35.212120Z
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@tootapp If your userbase likes that you decide for them.
(DIR) Post #9jL8gfhQrU0V8iURGa by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T14:58:31Z
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@nawi To be honest, what any user thinks has no bearing on what actions I think are morally right.
(DIR) Post #9jL8gfwJy7utstSKTQ by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T15:22:50.749288Z
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@tootapp @nawi sure. but forcing it on your users isn't a good move imo. they can decide for themselfs what's good for them. a good app can provide some help with that, but never should force such things on its userbase
(DIR) Post #9jL9viI5br93TSN9Tk by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T15:30:34Z
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@absturztaube Absolutely not. I am 100% trying to force users to not use gab. I do not want a single person to ever use that site. And I will have nothing to do with helping even a single person use it.Reasonable people are already not using it. Giving them to option not to will do nothing. The whole point of this is to prevent scumbags from using the site.
(DIR) Post #9jL9viUUrj4O5wB3om by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T15:36:49.376155Z
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@tootapp it's your app, so you can do whatever you want. i'm just stating my opinion on that matter, nothing more.
(DIR) Post #9jLEEoGa13bFKH1mEK by laurie@knzk.me
2019-05-30T16:25:25Z
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@one @tootapp if ur worried that nazis being blocked from a service will effect you, then im gonna be honest, thats a bit of a weird thing to worry about, unless ur also a nazi
(DIR) Post #9jLEb38RPnT1oMpFUu by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T16:29:04.670418Z
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@applebaps @tootapp why? What do you think my political alignment is?
(DIR) Post #9jLFI5dC0jLQ0LjTqC by revolverocelot@elekk.xyz
2019-05-30T16:25:47Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube plus toot! Is a privately owned and privately run app. They aren't the government. They can decide what is and isn't acceptable for their app and if you don't like it, there's tons of alternatives.
(DIR) Post #9jLFI63QRCKPJi0QjI by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T16:36:52.816055Z
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@revolverocelot @tootapp read my reply pls. Thats what i said. Icm just stating my opinion on it. And btw, before you get the wrong idea, i'm strongly against any kind of racism
(DIR) Post #9jLFckGocpanpu7CJE by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T16:38:07Z
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@absturztaube @revolverocelot But not strongly enough to actually take action against it
(DIR) Post #9jLFckTvq45IUaFfkm by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T16:40:35.732393Z
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@tootapp @revolverocelot damnit, serisously? I organize a soccercup every year against racism... If gab really becomes a problem for my instance, i'll take action
(DIR) Post #9jLFwgpH8lZCwhkAca by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T16:36:08.504102Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube Your app and do what you want with it. However, there is a certain irony in using that position to attempt to silence anyone you disagree with. I've little idea what 'gab' is, and don't overly care. Speaking entirely for myself though, I've never heard of your app either but couldn't honestly recommend an app with built-in censorship driven by the author's own political views. That would be true regardless of what those views are. In short, you're deciding for your users what they should or shouldn't be allowed to see. It's perfectly within your rights to do so, but it also puts you squarely against Free Speech and the exchange of ideas. Just my opinion
(DIR) Post #9jLGDX8sOjZXpowZ7I by revolverocelot@elekk.xyz
2019-05-30T16:44:38Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp you said that the app shouldnt make that decision for users. except users still have choice. they can go to another app.im not sure why cutting off neonazis is the hill ppl wanna die on today.
(DIR) Post #9jLGDXKvfvDIRCaBu4 by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T16:47:19.612235Z
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@revolverocelot @tootapp ok, it seems that gab is a big deal for you. I actually heard of it a couple of days ago, so pls dont judge me on that sole topic. My point is more general speaking.
(DIR) Post #9jLGh44F3soULfrDbE by chartier@toot.cafe
2019-05-30T16:52:49Z
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@one @tootapp @james A brief PSA on censorship.
(DIR) Post #9jLH6cOCafxs2HNWcq by revolverocelot@elekk.xyz
2019-05-30T16:50:56Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp for some context, actual terrorists hang out and have organized on Gab. Thats why Toot!, Gargron, and others feel so strongly about protecting the greater fediverse from gab’s white supremacist community.
(DIR) Post #9jLH6caxpEAmfrLiW8 by revolverocelot@elekk.xyz
2019-05-30T16:52:17Z
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@revolverocelot @absturztaube @tootapp so yeah, its a big deal because i dont want people to decide to go shoot up mosques and harass the Masto POC, Jewish, and Muslim communities because people were too worried about censorship to shut down literal neonazis.
(DIR) Post #9jLH6cmJ93FNF2emCO by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T16:57:12.395588Z
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@revolverocelot @tootapp yeah, i got that. And i dont disagree on blocking that. But i wont force such a block on my users because they can do that for themselfs. And if they demand (or if it becomes an actual problem to my instance) a block on instance level, i certainly will do that. But keep in mind, that (and a single app blocking access to it) doesn't prevent those who want to use it to use it
(DIR) Post #9jLHa6pMV9r6ps91kW by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:02:21.523478Z
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@revolverocelot @tootapp thx for clarifying. yeah, i dont want that either. The issue with this approach is, that there will always be an app that grants those ppl access to it. Blocking access to it wont solve the problem. My approach would be to shut down gab itself
(DIR) Post #9jLHmoZJhNEjyIhL8q by revolverocelot@elekk.xyz
2019-05-30T17:03:09Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp oh id be all for that but i dont think its possible. but itd be great
(DIR) Post #9jLHnQDfiIVAkAragC by revolverocelot@elekk.xyz
2019-05-30T16:58:21Z
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@absturztaube its not about stopping those who use it from using it. its about containing them there.
(DIR) Post #9jLHnQQ4yAQVMefV1E by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:04:44.847102Z
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@revolverocelot sure, we wouldn't see and interact with them, but that wouldn't stop them from doing shit. Sadly, the only effective approach would be to shut them down
(DIR) Post #9jLHv4zEXaBnCwlGca by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:06:21.535949Z
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@revolverocelot @tootapp hackers gonna hack :blobcatwink:
(DIR) Post #9jLLUyozEwkuNFmLjs by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T17:43:27Z
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@absturztaube I can't shut it down. But I can make sure nothing I do makes it any easier for them.
(DIR) Post #9jLLUz8U4SLrLitv84 by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:46:25.037217Z
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@tootapp i got that from this discussion. Sorry, i wasnt aware of it.
(DIR) Post #9jLLrPsdJhBEfNBP2e by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T16:37:05Z
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@wolfie @absturztaube Maybe first find out what gab is before grandstanding?
(DIR) Post #9jLLrQExyf2pmddEqu by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T16:38:06.989989Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube What it is or isn't wouldn't really change my core point, so I'm not sure what that would accomplish. You're against free speech. It is what it is and there isn't really anyway around that. Have a good day :)
(DIR) Post #9jLLrQXOs7n2hoFxaK by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T16:44:44.334869Z
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@wolfie Apples App Store is the right place for @tootapp @absturztaube as booth do censorship.
(DIR) Post #9jLLrQlE2iqhOgj08O by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T16:49:26.441082Z
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@nawi @absturztaube @tootapp Personally, I tend to view censorship as the last resort of the desperate. As the man said: The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it. -- John Gilmore
(DIR) Post #9jLLrQxzHH3c2GhC1g by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T17:42:25Z
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@wolfie @nawi @absturztaube I must say, I am pretty desperate to stop the rise of far-right hatred and violence. Pretty desperate indeed. People have died. MANY people have died.Gab users have literally killed them. With guns.
(DIR) Post #9jLLs4R4X4UmRlbTH6 by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:50:24.132119Z
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@tootapp @nawi @wolfie i dont argue with that. I'm totally with you on that (and yes its fucking desperate as hell).But you blocking access to it, wont stop them to do shit. I mean i would consider the same approach but i dont think it is really effective. Thats what im trying to say
(DIR) Post #9jLMEbOueJqD3cKyMS by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:54:53.502004Z
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@applebaps @tootapp @revolverocelot fuck yeah! I would vote for that
(DIR) Post #9jLMF7Gs9kQJtwp0Gu by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T17:54:14.594530Z
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@tootapp no, you by yourself cant, but you are not alone and its not one creatures alone responsibility to take it down.
(DIR) Post #9jLMGIwuDuQCPS36QK by matrix07012@waifuappreciation.club
2019-05-30T17:55:25.816Z
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@tootapp@mastodon.social Thanks, now I know which app I will never use.
(DIR) Post #9jLP0pa7QdUAqXhhJ2 by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T17:52:58.572048Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp @nawi This. Totally this. Oppose. Don't silence. Fight back. Don't block. Silencing them will do nothing but push them into the dark where they fester unseen.
(DIR) Post #9jLP0q7nPQQMWzSanY by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T18:20:08Z
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@wolfie @nawi @absturztaube I mean, it's well demonstarted now that the exact opposite is true. Fascism is rising at the moment exactly because it has so many ways to reach a wide audience.As soon as it is blocked, it withers. And "debating" it has cause absolutely nothing whatsoever.It is a *good thing* to push it into the dark. It may fester, but it can't spread.
(DIR) Post #9jLP0qWxtqYbn3Eh1s by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T18:25:46.112515Z
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@tootapp @nawi @wolfie listen, i dont appose to your approach to fight it. I really dont. You do what you can do (and tbh, i didnt get the big picture there about gab)But im afraid it wont really change anything (i wish it could, heck i would totally support it if it could)
(DIR) Post #9jLP8Qdy1zQLos7vCC by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T18:27:12.733128Z
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@tootapp @nawi @wolfie no, sadly it wont wither. The only thing you accomplish is another echo chamber where they talk about their shitty stuff all alone. Not seeing it doesnt mean it doesnt exist
(DIR) Post #9jLRksbOjJyVRaO5XE by LimticLewd@neckbeard.xyz
2019-05-30T18:02:27.817688Z
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@tootapp"I don't like a istance... Me block... I don't like, nobody has to..."I fucking hate gab, but blocking it is just as stupidqMZFd-bS0kYPTA.png
(DIR) Post #9jLRksqHpxsuBlLyk4 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T18:18:21Z
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@LimticLewd You do know gab is the home of several mass murderers, yes?
(DIR) Post #9jLRkt4oxvViuq9aOe by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-05-30T18:56:57.280214Z
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@tootapp @LimticLewd wait, what? info please
(DIR) Post #9jLRvjc2UfNAkSrbTE by roka@aria.company
2019-05-30T18:58:57.346627Z
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@tootapp please implement Dzuk's blocklist in your client too https://github.com/dzuk-mutant/blockchain
(DIR) Post #9jLS6igsGIsX4fMa3M by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T19:00:56.729906Z
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@tootapp @LimticLewd It was one guy who barely used the site. But it's not as if you cucks wouldn't find another excuse to instance block either way.
(DIR) Post #9jLSueQGP7BGJhP1zk by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T19:09:58.160056Z
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This cocksucking cuck @tootapp is making Gab sound a lot cooler than it really is
(DIR) Post #9jLSwiTYJ1rnSxvStM by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T18:34:47.827955Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube @nawi That which is unseen does not cease to exist
(DIR) Post #9jLTD6JPRzRW1izi8e by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T18:35:26Z
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@absturztaube That will always exist. But that is a much better situation than what we have now.
(DIR) Post #9jLTD6amPPKytb7aDI by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T19:12:51.116286Z
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@tootapp looking away from it isn't really a better situation tbh. the problem still persist
(DIR) Post #9jLTM1TomlLre97Kdc by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T19:14:54.971836Z
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@ChristiJunior @tootapp >not supporting white supremacy and hatred in 2019.Imagine being that much of a square. Awkward. :confusedsmile:
(DIR) Post #9jLTQf5fSN9ree26ym by rekh127@sunbeam.city
2019-05-30T16:58:37Z
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@tootapp yay! Also yikes at your mentchies
(DIR) Post #9jLTjHqi5iTT4iuyWG by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T16:39:46Z
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@wolfie @absturztaube Go on, go read their site.
(DIR) Post #9jLTjI3pIwxxjP3Rxo by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T16:46:07.354632Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube Apparently you can't without signing up for an account. That's annoying and exceeds the amount I care about them. If you don't like what they stand for or say or whatever, that's fine. There's nothing wrong with opposing whatever. However, if you want to fight whatever wrong you think they put out there, then counter their message. A bit of googling says that perhaps this is some site that was founded as a result of twitter kicking people off. Is that correct? If so, what good did kicking them off do beyond pushing them into the dark. If they're spreading hate or whatever then let them stand in the light of day and try and defend their stupid ideas. Pushing them into the darkness does nothing but let them fester and grow without anyone to really counter them. Is that really better? Hate should be met with kindness and logic and reason. Silencing it has never really done anything in the past and why should it now?You want to take a stand against what you disagree with. Again, that's fine. Let your users use whatever they want. Maybe put a message saying that you think it's a bad idea and give reasons why. But, that's just me and my thoughts. I don't expect anyone to agree or not. :)
(DIR) Post #9jLU8tNtfmzKjDeO4u by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T19:23:16.296999Z
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@dgold @wolfie @tootapp > We know it workswhere? creating an echo chamber wont stop such ppl to do shitty stuff. i think they don't really care if others will see their stuff or not.
(DIR) Post #9jLUQKxOPch1ALZUzA by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T19:26:54.052384Z
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@ArdanianRight @tootapp @LimticLewd To be fair, Sam Hyde is also on Gab, and his body count is HUGE:https://gab.com/HillaryClinton
(DIR) Post #9jLUmvnw5wZtoivEFk by EchoSierraIV@aria.company
2019-05-30T19:30:58.530369Z
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@ChristiJunior @tootapp I figured shit like this would happen, and it's a damn dangerous slope to slide down.Will e-mail apps start blocking me from sending/receiving e-mail to/from people who hold opinions they don't like? Will browsers start preventing me from visiting websites that contain wrongthink? Will media players start refusing to play songs by certain artists or with certain lyrics?
(DIR) Post #9jLVBphFwMeW77fhCa by EchoSierraIV@aria.company
2019-05-30T19:35:28.648169Z
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@tootapp @LimticLewd You do know Earth is the home of many mass murderers, no?
(DIR) Post #9jLWhbS2XX3f9ZGdfc by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T19:48:11Z
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@absturztaube There is nothing to be gained from constantly looking at it, and plenty harm to be done.
(DIR) Post #9jLWowRksUBQIRdKtc by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T19:50:38Z
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@absturztaube @wolfie @dgold I mean, he just told you.
(DIR) Post #9jLWowhLwUez4ovnCy by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T19:53:19.541671Z
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@tootapp @dgold @wolfie sorry, i don't know who milo scumbag and steven yaxley-lemmon is
(DIR) Post #9jLWwpZ6LZcBGppbjk by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T19:52:31.357904Z
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@tootapp @dgold @absturztaube I think something got lost somewhere?
(DIR) Post #9jLWwq5iOJhctz5eZU by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T19:54:42.565971Z
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@wolfie @tootapp @dgold damnit, i live in switzerland! how the heck should i keep up with stuff that happens elsewhere?
(DIR) Post #9jLXl2MJ3S4PQcmqUC by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T20:03:15.580390Z
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@dgold @tootapp @wolfie really? you know that the world doesn't consist just of a few countries. there is a lot happening around here. you can't just throw some ppl out of a discussion just because they don't know all of the details
(DIR) Post #9jLXqjn70AG5Zz2jmC by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T19:59:38.839892Z
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@dgold @absturztaube @tootapp One doesn't have to be an expert in random douchebaggery to participate in an honest discussion of the philosophical and practical impacts and such of Free Speech and what not. Are either of them actual for real Nazis or are we abusing terms again?
(DIR) Post #9jLXqjuuXAUryAgxvs by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T20:03:41Z
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@wolfie @absturztaube @dgold I'm sorry, but yes, you actually do need to know what is actually going on here before you start wading into discussion to grandstand.
(DIR) Post #9jLXqkArZrG0le9hnU by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T20:05:02.995668Z
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@tootapp @dgold @wolfie it isn't like we don't have any problems with racism, so don't just throw us of with that. i'm trying to understand the bigger picture here
(DIR) Post #9jLYHKjwFWWjhfEzGi by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T20:09:17.580748Z
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@dgold @tootapp @wolfie btw, i don't intend to be rude here. but i think you shouldn't throw ppl of a discussion just because they don't know all the details
(DIR) Post #9jLYKCoMBVpFyug1rs by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:10:36.328366Z
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@roka @tootapp can i blocklist mastodon too? because tootapp and eugan are being cucks?
(DIR) Post #9jLYSUYs4cqfLjNv5k by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T17:40:28Z
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@wolfie @absturztaube Go to /popular. No account needed. See what is popular on the site.
(DIR) Post #9jLYSUo79x2e70W5qq by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T17:52:04.527607Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube Okay, did that. Some is total garbage. Some isn't. I admit I'm not going to go through hundreds of posts or whatever. As far as I'm concerned, my original point still stands. One is either in favour of and stands with Free Speech or one is against it. You want to stop hatred and such. Nothing wrong with opposing true hatred and mindless violence. However, to my way of thinking, silencing it isn't opposition. It's oppression. Opposition is fighting back. It's offering an alternative. It's making the counter argument. If these people are truly the ignorant, hateful morons one thinks, defeating them shouldn't be so hard. Oppose. Don't silence. Not because they're right, but because silencing the opposition doesn't make us right. It makes us oppressive in just another direction. When has silencing the opposition ever actually worked anyway?
(DIR) Post #9jLYSUxKbgPkZapSDY by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-05-30T18:22:18Z
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@wolfie You know what free speech requires? Free speech requires that you be able to speak without being shouted down, without being attacked, without being shot at.That is exactly the things the far right does. The far right claims free speech protects it, yet at the same time it does absolutely everything it can to suppress the speech of anyone but itself.If you let the far right speak, you kill the free speech of everyone else.If you want true free speech, you fight them.
(DIR) Post #9jLYSV5q63DgzyoFTk by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:12:05.332937Z
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@tootapp @wolfie maybe i should shut you down because you are provoking others free speech.
(DIR) Post #9jLYbxlwpz5sYH19TE by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T20:13:01.146864Z
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@1iceloops123 @tootapp Yeah, that whole debate thing can be dangerous. Wouldn't want ideas or concepts to be debated and what not :D
(DIR) Post #9jLYobBu6c6KHWBR8S by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T20:16:06.343860Z
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@tootapp @wolfie To sum this bullshit up: Far-right Speech is Violence, while far-left Violence is Speech. We know how these double standards work."The far right claims free speech protects it, yet at the same time it does absolutely everything it can to suppress the speech of anyone but itself."The Hypocrisy levels are off the charts!
(DIR) Post #9jLYqXEBoNEOZMAxMG by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:16:26.805730Z
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@wolfie @tootapp i'm just saying because what will tootapp do prevent people using their app on shitposter.club also because oh no because the admin support free speech for right wingers ? while i am really a libertarian. or just ban all the weeb instances because same deal?
(DIR) Post #9jLYxbNukrGJUM5uKG by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:17:43.822855Z
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@wolfie @tootapp like please do that because i use tusky and when tusky stops supporting my instance i'll just go back to andstatus because mastodon devs and app devs can go fuck themslefs or get their sticks from their ass.
(DIR) Post #9jLZA1zRf8ntTjZkjA by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T20:19:01.344162Z
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@1iceloops123 @tootapp Uhm... I'm not sure I'm reading your post correctly?
(DIR) Post #9jLZA29N4Ek9yWDgCO by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:19:58.290826Z
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@wolfie @tootapp i am just wondering what will they will ban next and if they keep banning people they should rethink their sitiution.
(DIR) Post #9jLZN4YpPrCrDSLQ3c by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T20:20:33.371295Z
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@1iceloops123 @tootapp Ahhhhhhh... got you. It's almost like it's opening a never ending can of worms or something, no?
(DIR) Post #9jLZN4gGyBA3aXpMf2 by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:22:19.692127Z
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@wolfie @tootapp they are opening a can of worms and i think its silly. like tootapp is an app whilei see mastodon social is a website. but the source code is software.
(DIR) Post #9jLZnL7AUY0K5Ovpbc by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T20:25:11.513677Z
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@wolfie @1iceloops123 @tootapp > It is a *good thing* to push it into the dark. It may fester, but it can't spread.Sounds like Trump, build a wall around it so, that nobody could see it. Then people will forget it instead clarify the public about it.And tomorrow we are not allowed to use a emoji with a knife ...
(DIR) Post #9jLZnLDu5VOMQI5D6W by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:27:03.757512Z
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@nawi @wolfie @tootapp more what i been seeing is banning people because of wrongthink will just get them become alt right so it isn't a good thing.
(DIR) Post #9jLcI07Onynxqvmuki by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T20:38:41.024459Z
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@1iceloops123 In parts. @tootapp BTW I would have a look at "Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union" speciallay articles 10, 11, 21 not that small market for Apple I think. @wolfie
(DIR) Post #9jLcI0RxZXFeshPKng by 1iceloops123@shitposter.club
2019-05-30T20:55:01.248937Z
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@nawi @tootapp @wolfie its like the linux with fsf and me first i use to believe in what stallmen use to say about free software but now i could agree that drm free is bad. or me joining gamergate when people use to block me because i personally don't like people censoring media i buy. like i did the hippy dippy activist thing already while people like eugan and tootapp are missing the point and people wonder why these groups of people will never be a linus torvalds or billgates.
(DIR) Post #9jLcVaYSe8kmcgvPpg by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T20:57:29.404963Z
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@1w4kvra @tootapp @absturztaube @nawi @wolfie Historically, communists have killed far more people than Nazis have. More recently, it's easily Muslims that are carrying out most of the terrorist murders. This obsession with shutting down "Nazis" and the "far-right" obviously has nothing to do with a principled concern about political violence or the lives of innocents.
(DIR) Post #9jLccD9A4jj23FFVxY by Ricotta@pl.765racing.com
2019-05-30T20:58:25.504379Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube @nawi @wolfie You haven't seen anything yet.
(DIR) Post #9jLckoLJfJ9BjI2FP6 by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:00:14.474678Z
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@tootapp @wolfie The far left is the only side that actually shouts people down, and it does way more attacking than the right. I haven't shouted down or shot at shit. Anyone is free to say what they want to me, but they have to be willing to have their ideas challenged. The radical left started the deplatforming, the rioting, and the street violence, not the right.
(DIR) Post #9jLcm4xdMi8zYiYwxU by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T21:00:27.945574Z
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@1w4kvra @ChristiJunior @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp It's not like one sucks less than the other. They're both awful. That's like debating which terrible evil thing is more terrible and evil when they're both.. terrible and evil. Seems counter productive
(DIR) Post #9jLd47nNZ5pbYxN3pY by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-30T21:03:36.309036Z
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@wolfie @1w4kvra @ChristiJunior @absturztaube @tootapp The problem is, that the author (Apple lists a single person) of toot! did not get the point. If censorship happened then this (whichever) people get a own platform like Breivik in the media.
(DIR) Post #9jLdBhRJRJRi8cf4gi by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T21:05:05.651944Z
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@1w4kvra @ChristiJunior @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp If I'm reading you correctly there, I think I'm going to have to disagree with some of your points there, but okay
(DIR) Post #9jLdDVXYeSzRoQRdyK by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:05:25.648766Z
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@wolfie @nawi @absturztaube @tootapp @1w4kvra "It's not like one sucks less than the other."Wrong. As already established communism has caused far more people than Nazism/Fascism has. At their "best", the far-right ideologies are also far preferable (Salazar's Portugal, Franco's Spain and Pinochet's Chile were all at least as good, if not better, than Tito's Yugoslavia).You can still argue that both ideologies are still so bad that ranking them is fruitless - but saying that they're "just as bad" is ridiculous, and basically amounts to saying that 90 million deaths give or take doesn't mean anything.
(DIR) Post #9jLdXyOZ4yoX60zsdU by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T21:09:07.201547Z
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@ChristiJunior @1w4kvra @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp You're correctly numerically, however, that doesn't make one philosophy any better than the other simply because one didn't get around to wiping out as many as they might have liked to. Yes, Communism has led to more deaths. The so-called right wing ones led to fewer. That's still just a matter of debating degrees of awful while they're both still exceedingly awful. Besides, while it may be semantics, they're all just different forms of Stateism and Collectivism so.. yep, still awful from my point of few.
(DIR) Post #9jLdgcbBUHOG6N1Wim by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:10:41.334405Z
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@1w4kvra @tootapp @wolfie If you want the world to have free speech, just gas the kikes, dude. It's not so complicated. Sheesh.
(DIR) Post #9jLdhxqzwmMCJS3pOS by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T21:10:55.584691Z
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@1w4kvra @ChristiJunior @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp Believe as you like. However, I'm not going to "stand up" for an accident of birth.
(DIR) Post #9jLduoxGLPvoTg7aJE by EchoSierraIV@aria.company
2019-05-30T21:13:15.141890Z
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@tootapp @wolfie Your lack of self-awareness is almost kind of impressive. Are you sure you want to ban Gab frogsite? You and Torba Turbocuck seem like you’d get along well.
(DIR) Post #9jLe3IMEuQr9zAqRd2 by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:14:47.208407Z
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@1w4kvra @tootapp @wolfie Yes, one of the many Abrahamists that have been fighting free speech since forever. But you have to deal with Talmudic reasoning that tells you it's the other way around:"You threaten my free speech, goyim!" :trollface:
(DIR) Post #9jLe6YAWa3VhtKuwPg by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:15:22.505805Z
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@1w4kvra @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp @wolfie I mean, by communist standards Tito's Yugoslavia was still good. My father (who's from Western Europe, and went on to marry my Romanian mother) at one point told me that going from Romania to Yugoslavia, the improvement in living standards was instantly noticeable, and so stark that it was almost like going from East to West. I think he also mentioned something about the country generally felling less oppressive and controlled. This was during Tito's rule.
(DIR) Post #9jLe80xv06UtUaietk by wolfie@pleroma.wolfie.pw
2019-05-30T21:15:38.076486Z
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@1w4kvra @ChristiJunior @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp Not sure if parody or reality.Have fun with.. that I suppose
(DIR) Post #9jLel1AcAnO1QBFwOG by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:22:41.320884Z
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@1w4kvra @tootapp @wolfie I am referring to when they engage in pilpul, sophism, moral hazards, obfuscation, outright lying, &c.Ultimately, you are correct, however.
(DIR) Post #9jLen6hMafER96ZPqS by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:23:03.974963Z
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@1w4kvra @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp @wolfie Ah, Albania under Hoxha, the country that basically banned religion - Western communists used to LOVE that place, they viewed it similarly to how American SJWs view Sweden today.
(DIR) Post #9jLfjJkKEl0QPOiF16 by ArdanianRight@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:33:35.177841Z
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@dgold @absturztaube @tootapp @wolfie Most of the people who fell off were "here today, gone tomorrow" e-celebs who were due to fall off regardless. True believers with dedicated followings like Andrew Anglin have hung on pretty well in spite of far more aggressive deplatforming attempts. Deplatforming does hurt, but its main effect is to boil off the opportunists and gatekeepers while leaving the radicals and true believers alive, which in the long run gives you a more dangerous opposition.
(DIR) Post #9jLg2N7ttSaqOVpFE8 by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T21:37:01.795055Z
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@1w4kvra @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp @wolfie Oh yeah, Western communists, especially young people and the "intellectuals", really loved both Hoxha's Albania and Pol Pot's Cambodia.These evil, genocidal pieces of shit went on to form much of cultural "elite" in many Western countries. Yet I'm supposed to give a shit about politicians and YouTubers implicitly supporting "White Supremacy". Right...
(DIR) Post #9jLivnzjtnLTYoZJXk by anna@witches.live
2019-05-30T16:42:15Z
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@tootapp yo sorry for all the shit the usual gang of free speech absolutist assholes are giving you. even beyond a moral stand, this is a good move to avoid risking being delisted by apple, and what i suggested to app devs when i first saw gab bloviating about how they can't be censored if they use activitypub
(DIR) Post #9jLlkv2HgDQ84iG9L6 by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T22:41:06.355838Z
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@ChristiJunior @absturztaube @nawi @tootapp @wolfie Albania was so bad that The Simpsons used it as the home country of the spy kid infiltrating Springfield Elementary.
(DIR) Post #9jLmLsCnAO680jnOHw by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T22:47:47.074284Z
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@ChristiJunior @ArdanianRight Grogran made a really dumb error early in the thread but to avoid hellthread situation I didn't bother correcting him - the New Zealand mosque shooter didn't have a Gab account, he mixed that guy up with the US synagogue shooter.
(DIR) Post #9jLn4wnavzgNHyVEYa by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T22:55:55.838293Z
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@tootapp What do you mean? Gab is the internet's premiere Christian scrapbooking site.
(DIR) Post #9jLnGYpFtMp2Pcoj6e by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T22:58:01.747721Z
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@tootapp @james @one The best way to destroy Gab would be to troll the fuck out of the 1900 evangelical Christian church ladies who actually fund the site with their 'investments' but what do I know, I've only driven dozens of them off...
(DIR) Post #9jLnh03nG1JgPLDyoi by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T23:02:48.456173Z
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@enigmatico @tootapp The irony of all this is Gab banned most of the actual genocide advocating Nazis after the synagogue shooting to save themselves from total deplatforming (in collaboration with their new domain registrar who had a little list of who he wanted banned) so the point is pretty much moot.Of course if you define 'Nazi' as 'Trump voter' or 'shitposter' your mileage may vary.
(DIR) Post #9jLnuSppaJI3Pq77Ts by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T23:05:14.462858Z
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@tootapp @absturztaube It really won't change anything so long as Gab works on mobile browsers.
(DIR) Post #9jLo0ZHuVQLtAO9sjA by judgedread@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T23:06:20.652161Z
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@applebaps @tootapp @absturztaube Don't forget me. I love free speech, especially when it makes leftists cry.
(DIR) Post #9jLo4KwNn4AdpNszey by ChristiJunior@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-30T23:07:01.515075Z
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@applebaps @tootapp @absturztaube Block me Nigger!
(DIR) Post #9jMM4quKKqofPeLG3E by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-31T05:28:05.352395Z
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@1w4kvra Hey, can you explain what an ethnic Great Russian is? I'm trying to figure out if that is part of my ancestry or if I'm just standard-issue Slav.Screen Shot 2019-05-31 at 12.20…
(DIR) Post #9jMMDLexsof76cCvlw by se7en@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-31T05:29:37.477992Z
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@jack @1w4kvra Here's a video that helps explain the Soviet Unionhttps://invidio.us/watch?v=QDmWYVdN8ug
(DIR) Post #9jMMJoavDWhAaCOrdw by Ricotta@pl.765racing.com
2019-05-31T05:30:45.616006Z
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@jack @1w4kvra They're a subspecies of Russians that are larger than standard Russians, but smaller and less aggressive than Dire Russians.
(DIR) Post #9jMN5RAnbHQ7qJtCPA by Agni@misskey.io
2019-05-31T05:39:23.286Z
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@Ricotta@pl.765racing.com @jack@freespeechextremist.com @1w4kvra@freespeechextremist.com Pictured, Great Russian [left] alongside a member of the El Ogro de las Americas subspecies.
(DIR) Post #9jMNvGMF3agLMExCoi by jack@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-31T05:48:45.963188Z
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@Agni @1w4kvra @Ricotta Gods, does she have 6 toes?ekaterina-lisina-long_legs_07.j…
(DIR) Post #9jMODzEwvLh7lpTH8a by Agni@misskey.io
2019-05-31T05:52:08.315Z
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@jack@freespeechextremist.com @1w4kvra@freespeechextremist.com @Ricotta@pl.765racing.com Yes, Great Russians have an extra digit on each foot so they can better grip whatever stalactite or tree branch they're hanging upside down from while sleeping.
(DIR) Post #9jMPJOK5C5tCxv0spU by tuneintodetuned@mastodon.social
2019-05-31T01:58:44Z
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@laurieThat's not a good way to keep a healthy conversation at all. Let people share their opinion about censorship without needless accusations, please.@one @tootapp
(DIR) Post #9jMPJOVmUbFNYCUE40 by laurie@knzk.me
2019-05-31T01:59:57Z
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@tuneintodetuned @one @tootapp lol im just saying, defending nazis is never a great position to take,,
(DIR) Post #9jMPJOpzHTPUYrwMYi by tuneintodetuned@mastodon.social
2019-05-31T02:18:42Z
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@laurieThat's assuming too much, mate. We're in the fediverse, so it's perfectly normal to be concerned about app devs and admins blocking communication to instances and users they consider problematic. Weren't you annoyed when somebody tried to ban you from going to certain places or keeping in touch with certain people "for your own good"?@one @tootapp
(DIR) Post #9jMTvOlqNS8jAuNQv2 by tija@pleroma.uwah.moe
2019-05-31T06:56:00.441488Z
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@Agni @jack @1w4kvra @Ricottaokappa double fault ［AnimeNOW］ …
(DIR) Post #9jMq7UaokpmZhNOKq8 by UberGeek@social.buffalomesh.net
2019-05-31T11:04:39Z
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@succfemboi @absturztaube @tootapp @one They're not valuable customers then.The customers didn't pay for access to gab, they paid for access to mastodon instances (And other compatible instances).Gab will be a fork, and thus, not something access was paid for, anyways.
(DIR) Post #9jMqShaFeLgC4QEx1c by UberGeek@social.buffalomesh.net
2019-05-31T11:08:29Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp @nawi Nobody is forcing anyone to do anything.People are free to buy this app, or not. Their choice. Nobody is going to jail, or going to be fined by a government for not using this app.Doesn't matter anyways, really. Masto is a PWA, and can live just like an app on the phone.So your "forcing users" stance is moot, and just incorrect.
(DIR) Post #9jMt3LQNCTpry2DhQG by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-31T11:37:04.568379Z
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@UberGeek @nawi @tootapp > People are free to buy this app, or not. Their choice. Nobody is going to jail, or going to be fined by a government for not using this app.i didn't even said once, that there are no alternatives. on the contrary, that's exactly my point why i think, that this block on app level won't really do much. ppl that want to access such content will do it by other means then.> So your "forcing users" stance is moot, and just incorrect.my "forcing users" is meant inside the scope of this app. as soon as you take alternatives into account then yes, the forcing part gets some BIG airquotes. but then the "app must block A"-stuff becomes so much less relevant anyway, because of the same "alternative apps" argument.and tbh, i don't actually have a problem with the app blocking stuff (thats the apps dev decision).(oh and btw, don't take me word by word <- not native english speaker)
(DIR) Post #9jMuH5KjvFbu4RhVbs by UberGeek@social.buffalomesh.net
2019-05-31T11:51:13Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp @nawi Great? So we agree nobody is forcing anything on anyone, correct?Fair enough on not being a native speaker, and I will keep that in mind :)Inside of the app, though, nobody is forced to do anything, either. You can just not use the app, use the PWA, or any myriad solutions. No force is involved.FWIW, though, most apps seems like they are following this model: Blocking gab from the app.
(DIR) Post #9jMvONmbpGVlGvmQU4 by absturztaube@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-31T12:03:17.545257Z
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@UberGeek @nawi @tootapp > Great? So we agree nobody is forcing anything on anyone, correct?let's leave it at that. arguing about this detail isn't really helping the discussion, i think.> Inside of the app, though, nobody is forced to do anything, either. You can just not use the app, use the PWA, or any myriad solutions. No force is involved.By inside of the app, i mean the app itself is the scope. "not use the app" is already outside of that scope. it's more like a thought experiment: if you reduce this problem to just one app, one dev and one user (no other stuff, let's call it a monopoly) then if the dev blocks something in his app, the user has to live with it. thats why i used the word "forcing". > FWIW, though, most apps seems like they are following this model: Blocking gab from the app.most is not all if then + there are other interfaces for that platform. those ppl who want to access it will access it.
(DIR) Post #9jN29Mh8I0D3ES0LxY by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-05-31T12:49:11.347599Z
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@absturztaube @UberGeek @tootapp Thought we had that topic ?IMHO if I find a app which I bought which uses censorship I would report that to Apple.
(DIR) Post #9jN29MvfPxprxWnxc8 by UberGeek@social.buffalomesh.net
2019-05-31T13:19:27Z
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@nawi @tootapp @absturztaube Go for it, and good luck.
(DIR) Post #9jN4KIOcoMKszhghbU by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2019-05-31T13:43:51.707276Z
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@tootappDo you even get the principle behind the fediverse itself? Actually lemme buy a domain thats called something like "fuckniggers.club" and test this. It will most likely work you soyboy
(DIR) Post #9jN7S4YGT6YUEeb2ae by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-31T14:18:55.296777Z
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@tootapp @one What paid services do you provide?
(DIR) Post #9jN7f47XNm5SfAI4pc by rasterman@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-31T14:21:16.191047Z
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@one @tootapp Thanks! Just found it: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/toot/id1229021451Yeah, I'm guessing this guy won't last long on the Apple AppStore if people can read Nigger this, Kike that from his own program... LOL
(DIR) Post #9jNBNWWNRzdVLlnfDk by kekuser@freespeech.host
2019-05-31T15:02:54.046507Z
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@tootapp You don't support white supremacy and hatred by allowing a free speech. Why won't you let your users decide for themselves ?
(DIR) Post #9jNBUfqv9gIAJlopFI by kekuser@freespeech.host
2019-05-31T15:04:11.044943Z
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@tootapp @james @one That dude in Christchurch live streamed it on Facebook so is Facebook the home of actual mass murderes?
(DIR) Post #9jNDlrHq61hgbyjPvM by james@abdl.link
2019-05-31T15:28:34Z
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@kekuser I’m sure some of them @tootapp @one
(DIR) Post #9jNDlrVfGclLIrCSTQ by kekuser@freespeech.host
2019-05-31T15:29:41.889214Z
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@james @tootapp @one Yeah but because one mass murdere use a social network dosen't mean everyone on that network shares his opinions
(DIR) Post #9jNEcmbSExuHQw8uW0 by james@abdl.link
2019-05-31T15:34:36Z
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@kekuser sure, but 1% of Facebook users might share that opinion compared with 99% of Gab users.. @tootapp @one
(DIR) Post #9jNEcmoDTW7C4W76PI by kekuser@freespeech.host
2019-05-31T15:39:15.872837Z
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@james @tootapp @one Sure maybe, but i would say thats a big exaggeration, most users on gab are right wing yes, but very few are actually Neo Nazis. Sure there is a lot of trolls but they are easy to spot but most people on there are just people who want to share their opinion and join discussions, there even are a few left winged on there, so i don't think it's fair to call a social network pro nazi or pro mass murdere because of a few bad apples. Gab is free speech and as long as it's legal to say you can say it on there.
(DIR) Post #9jNEqByDEmsPsABJrM by Heliodramus@freespeechextremist.com
2019-05-31T15:41:42.951251Z
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@tootapp @LimticLewd BULLSHIT...
(DIR) Post #9jNXHVZiFmV3fZtg7E by kekuser@freespeech.host
2019-05-31T19:08:19.742980Z
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@chartier @james @tootapp @one That still doesn't mean censorship is good.
(DIR) Post #9jNjTAStlS5r7i2HXk by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-05-31T21:24:54.187720Z
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@tootapp another owned by google™️
(DIR) Post #9jOc4fMPFpOxBOKRUG by z31r4m@mastodon.technology
2019-06-01T07:22:22Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp @wolfie @dgold I can tell you what the big picture is for me: when I bought Toot! for US$4 There was no talk of censorship. Now I feel I’ve been cheated. This app developer is going to subvert their app for one puny instance. If I’m a journalist, an analyst or policy person who *has* to track “nazis” or for that matter *real terrorists* I can’t use Toot. It’s now useless.
(DIR) Post #9jOc4fYSX12hmly4H2 by z31r4m@mastodon.technology
2019-06-01T07:22:23Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp @wolfie @dgold If I want to read or communicate with “not nazi” Gab users I can’t because this dev “altered the deal” from when I bought the app. Because of a moral panic over whatever Gab names their instance.You should never censor any speech. You either fight it with more speech or report it because speech while free has consequences.
(DIR) Post #9jOcUgTxhorUBvGkhk by z31r4m@mastodon.technology
2019-06-01T07:29:06Z
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@absturztaube @tootapp @wolfie @dgold I really don’t care about gamergate, the “alt right”, name calling or any of that drama.I don’t like good tools being subverted because the creators are having moral panics about whatever. How will you monitor the problem if you have no tools to do so?Let the instance/channel administrators block Gab. If you’re an app dev don’t subvert your tools or protocols over *one site*
(DIR) Post #9jPl2aJm7mJPi68lKC by tep@mastodon.cloud
2019-06-01T20:32:15Z
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@nawi @tootapp I'm OK with this. I know I don't want to: see hate speech, support Nazis or condone white supremacist terrorists. If my admin will take care of this so I don't have to, I'm good with that. If my admin later makes a decision that I don't like, such as perhaps boosting anti-vax or climate denial, then I'll move somewhere more sane and less stupid. Or run my own instance. Setting "norms" is part of a platform providers responsibility, which T and FB have failed at.
(DIR) Post #9jPl2aZ1D6VOTNGw5I by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-01T20:36:21.758053Z
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@tep Exactly, you can move somewhere. But on iOS are not so many clients out there for Mastodon / Pleroma. So, if a app developer decides to use censorship, then there are not really alternatives. And, if all app developer do that, then the platform (iOS) is useless. @tootapp
(DIR) Post #9jPl2anuJkPnDYEpI8 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-06-01T20:44:32Z
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@nawi First, there is already no app on iOS for reading gab. After this, the situation will be the same.Second, is a platform really useless to you if you can’t access a far-right white supremacist website?
(DIR) Post #9jPl2ayBhWddjR32Jc by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-06-01T20:51:50.819105Z
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@tootapp @nawi that's not the point man. This could literally threaten my livelihood and that of many others because adult social apps are not allowed in the App Store. The Fediverse changes that and provides a way to build a social network (without censorship!) for the sex worker community. But now you're welcoming and promoting censorship.How long before Apple starts requiring any Fediverse app also blocks adult servers?You're letting the Nazis control you. Grow a spine.
(DIR) Post #9jPlJq9qUA91l9iwOu by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-01T20:54:31.653220Z
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@feld @tootapp „because adult social apps are not allowed in the App Store.“ Then you must block the switter.at instance too. Is a instance for sex worker mainly from the USA. ;-)
(DIR) Post #9jPlNRg9RJUMzvYODQ by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-06-01T20:55:41.734207Z
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@nawi @tootapp yep!!!
(DIR) Post #9jPmGjQPA5kbxmYDb6 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-06-01T21:01:06Z
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@feld Sorry, that is the dumbest thing I’ve heard all day. Fighting nazis is “letting them control you”? I’ve never heard anything more preposterous.
(DIR) Post #9jPmGjmjp3cD5303PM by feld@bikeshed.party
2019-06-01T21:05:39.776725Z
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@tootapp you're not fighting them, you're building a Fediverse Patriot Act. Nothing like a little fear to erode rights.
(DIR) Post #9jQ6sNn035OgwuLmTY by z31r4m@noagendasocial.com
2019-06-01T23:10:47Z
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@feld @nawi @tootapp @zemichi Tim Apple and Sundar Google now have a lock on devs.Anything they point and shriek at will be gone: sex & sex worker support sites. BDS & any peaceful dissent. Gab is just a test case.Torba said it’d take them a full year to port Gab, so any troll bait can make Mast devs react like this. Right?
(DIR) Post #9jQ6sO68tui3uHJ4JU by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-01T23:15:36.546808Z
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@z31r4m @zemichi @tootapp @feld I noticed a similar discussion about tusky (but did not read in detail). „Torba said it’d take them a full year to port Gab, so any troll bait can make Mast devs react like this. Right?“ Any dev and any admin could do censorship or act like that. The main problem is, block any domain in a app will not solve the problem. It will only create a parallel world of instances.
(DIR) Post #9jQ6sOHUDjmeTSc7zk by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-06-02T00:56:34.238030Z
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@nawi @z31r4m @feld @tootapp "The main problem is, block any domain in a app will not solve the problem. It will only create a parallel world of instances."Blocklists have already made this happen.In fact you can't even complain to the app makers if you're on the wrong instance already.Fedi is broke. Saying it for years.
(DIR) Post #9jQKgyHlvfrA1XCFg8 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-06-01T21:02:45Z
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@nawi @feld Again, I am doing this specifically because gab is a cancer on society and morally I can do nothing that helps them. If Apple was fine with them I still would block them every day of every week, because I have morals and they are not compatible with letting white supremacy prosper.
(DIR) Post #9jQKgyVx4xCOjVpZmS by z31r4m@noagendasocial.com
2019-06-02T02:52:57Z
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@tootapp @nawi @feld The point is YOU WILL BE ASKED (no, demanded) to take other “problematic” sites down. Someone larger than you, either Tim Apple or a nation-state will pressure you to take down switter or whoever.This happened to Apple with the Chinese, Apple now has weakened their position.
(DIR) Post #9jQKh0Y9Vk9D2usMUK by z31r4m@noagendasocial.com
2019-06-02T02:52:58Z
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@tootapp @nawi @feld You don’t “fight nazis” by wishing them to go away. Censorship just hides evil.You fight “nazis” or other bad actors by EXPOSING THEM. And putting extremists in jail.
(DIR) Post #9jQb8OfBZ3IOuyFP5U by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-02T06:21:21.996445Z
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@zemichi @feld @tootapp @z31r4m „In fact you can't even complain to the app makers if you're on the wrong instance alread“ Sure I can. In a browser I open another account at another instance. In the app I can‘t if instances are blocked (based on which ever reason).
(DIR) Post #9jQb8P1WE1A02EhEtk by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-06-02T06:35:37.651027Z
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@nawi @feld @tootapp @z31r4m In relation to federationSigning up to another's instance to post at someone is not federationMy point is the problem that everyone is arguing about is already here. App makers are doing this because their instances they call home already do this shit. They've already made their choices long ago.So fedi is broken.
(DIR) Post #9jQc6q2SubJrCExP5U by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2019-06-02T06:46:33.857147Z
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@tootapp @one @james Look I don't like Gab, but that argument is bullshitSomething Awful, Facebook, Twitter and most likely all the sites that you can think of has had murderers of some kindPlease think rationally instead of letting your emotions makes stupid posts for you
(DIR) Post #9jQcDtOCqvMrcDUR96 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
2019-06-02T06:47:50.730962Z
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@tootapp @one So basically you can't be trusted to not ban anything else on a whim Understood
(DIR) Post #9jQcFbi3YaEHMTamno by cereal@shitposter.club
2019-06-02T06:48:09.348112Z
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@tootapp @one @james lol, "we could be liable if we let them use the app" continues to slander
(DIR) Post #9jQcLjsq4ydyRxYlMm by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-02T06:39:27.536331Z
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@zemichi @feld @tootapp @z31r4m Yes and a blocklist at a instance is ok. As long as there is a reason and, as long the users off the instance (or more then 50 % agree to it) agree. Why ? Simple if a user did not agree, the user could leave. In a app that is different because there is nothing to choose.
(DIR) Post #9jQcLk7jBcYNC8WeZc by zemichi@pl.smuglo.li
2019-06-02T06:49:14.512640Z
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@nawi @feld @tootapp @z31r4m You don't have choices nowBlocklists have enforced an "instances that are blocklisted" and "instances that are not blocklisted" culture.When app makers block domains it is an extension of what they are already doing.Just look at this meme I made.I made this meme TWO YEARS AGO it was a joke and caused people to preemptively blocklist Gab well before gab ever thought of being on Mastodon. When I tell you blocklists are a part of the problem they are. Do not support the problem.federation-was-a-mistake (1).jp…
(DIR) Post #9jQdXrkEmEcsGCsn2m by yuduki@aria.company
2019-06-02T07:02:39.539145Z
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@coolboymew @tootapp @james @one >please think rationallythat's a pretty tall order
(DIR) Post #9jQdkm5r6FGSUv9Lo8 by z31r4m@mastodon.technology
2019-06-02T04:41:53Z
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@dgold @tootapp It’s a “load of cobblers” to you because you’re already advocating violence against people *you* consider “nazis.”Let me refresh your memory. (Image)Now if we censored you no one would be any the wiser, and you (the bad actor) could hide your crimes.Censorship & violence go hand in hand.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDHSzXzFrDk1RuC by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-01T21:05:09.220001Z
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@tootapp @feld Sadly this discussion is useless. You don‘t want to get my point.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDHhsedAFxuzL72 by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-06-01T21:10:31Z
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@nawi @feld I’ve heard your point stated a million times before, and it is as invalid now as it was then.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDHvLqXwKdhI66q by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-01T21:15:53.976966Z
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@tootapp @feld Whatever, my browser did not need iOS.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDIE8igy7Zy56OW by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-06-01T21:31:13Z
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@nawi And what does that have to do with me.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDIWDdTQkU2XXZg by nawi@fedi.absturztau.be
2019-06-01T21:35:15.276526Z
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@tootapp Your way is the wrong. Even we are against the same thing.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDImAgABtHW0HRI by tootapp@mastodon.social
2019-06-01T21:58:44Z
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@nawi So because we are against the same thing, you will... use your browser to access the far-right website? Or what were you saying?You say you are against them, but I’m not seeing you actually do anything to oppose them. And if you see hatred and injustice, and do nothing, you aren’t opposing, you are helping.
(DIR) Post #9jQtDJ27iqx24zT1Iu by ben666@shitposter.club
2019-06-02T09:58:10.669673Z
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@tootapp @nawi you are not opposing them bij blocking them. opposing them would mean you would actualy need to do work and say someting to does you oppose.you are just being a censor and we all know how well that works out. you think your being all virtues bij blocking but your not you are only making it worse. and worse your making your app useless. keep fucking politics out of making apps. that shit will eventually come back to bite you in the ass.
(DIR) Post #9jRCMGWmJ0xM2mn7Zo by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2019-06-02T13:32:40.727856Z
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@tootappWhat about my instance then@one