Post 9jEDd8FBvoBoAth0D2 by bn4t@toot.cafe
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(DIR) Post #9jE5KGlNEaRFSdExUG by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T03:55:01Z
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#Pleroma shouldn't include a Static FE because... I have an ideological objection to it! But I'm better than @Gargron because my ideological objection is BETTER!
(DIR) Post #9jE5KGuEhdWlu7O2Ii by bn4t@toot.cafe
2019-05-27T05:29:35Z
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@DashEquals Really don't get why people try to prevent archiving *public* content. All public content from the fediverse is archiveable. Barriers like javascript won't help prevent it. If something publicly federates, anyone can download it, which means anyone can archive it.
(DIR) Post #9jE5KHABkKHuhaqmAK by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T05:42:39Z
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@bn4t@DashEqualsWould you film and archive footage on the street from your apartment, just because anyone looking down the window could have seen everything happening in that public place?Nope, even most governments can't do it. Why? Just because for it to be public does not mean anyone has any right to do anything with it, expect what was initially intended: in the case of the fediverse, read it, interact with it using AP.
(DIR) Post #9jE5R7ScDexedWjTkm by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T05:43:53Z
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@kaiyou @bn4t Ever heard of security cameras?
(DIR) Post #9jE5RqurDVI3c9IAWO by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T05:43:59Z
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@bn4t @DashEqualsAnd just to be clear, by filming and archiving, I meant archiving forever and making all the footage public.
(DIR) Post #9jE5bLdsLagDW2sQKG by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T05:45:44Z
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@DashEquals@bn4tI did. In most countries, filming public spaces with those is restricted, submitted to official authorization, proper signalization, and it is still forbidden to archive the footage for more than a couple days.
(DIR) Post #9jE5eXzKtvUifwRMGW by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T05:46:15Z
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@kaiyou @bn4t Thanks for clarifying. I'd still be morally fine with it.
(DIR) Post #9jE5gjVb2WVwz5ZWnA by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T05:46:43Z
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@DashEquals @bn4ts/most/many/ I am not an international expert on privacy laws, sorry.
(DIR) Post #9jE6yzWMLRmDoQCOp6 by bn4t@toot.cafe
2019-05-27T06:01:12Z
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@kaiyou1/?The whole making archived content public is another discussion in my opinion, because of copyright and the sorts.However in my opinion your analogy is not quite fitting: on the internet you can choose what to make public. Say, if something embarassing happens you can choose not to make it public.Also on the internet you can choose if you want to show a profile picture with your face on it, use your real name or a nickname, ... The list goes on.
(DIR) Post #9jE8cAAcmghK5ZH7M8 by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T06:19:29Z
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@bn4t @DashEquals@clarjon1 @succfemboi @DJWalnut @dielan @kaniiniYou cannot separate archiving from republishing in this thread. Taking and solely archiving data never happens.Archiving always has a purpose for further processing, be it republishing, running statistics, etc. It is that processing without consent that is problematic.
(DIR) Post #9jE8rnmNnjfDHHOSEy by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T06:22:19Z
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@bn4tYour point is valid on the analogy. It is unfitted on some aspects, it is the best I have though, and dismissing it based on your arguments is what lead advertising companies believe they could scrape everything, retain it forever and sell their reports on behalf of our privacy.This is why Europe has voted a right to be forgotten, followed by more in depth privacy laws that explicitly require that personal information is not processed without people consent.
(DIR) Post #9jEAZejosUEVvrfZuy by bn4t@toot.cafe
2019-05-27T06:41:27Z
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@kaiyou 1/2You have some good points. I agree that privacy laws (like the right to be forgotten) should stand above archiving efforts. On processing without consent I have to admit that I'm not informed enough to really have an opinion on it. But I feel like it's morally problematic to do it without consent.
(DIR) Post #9jEDd838ecY3ZW3NQG by bn4t@toot.cafe
2019-05-27T06:41:38Z
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@kaiyou 2/2I feel like when it comes to archiving public content without consent, it depends on what that data is going to be used for. I don't think it should be illegal to archive public content (w/o consent) just to preserve it (for like museums or historians in the future).But maybe we just have to agree to disagree on that one.
(DIR) Post #9jEDd8FBvoBoAth0D2 by bn4t@toot.cafe
2019-05-27T06:55:23Z
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@kaiyouEither way, thank you for this constructive discussion✌️
(DIR) Post #9jEDd8U52S6Cv4etPs by kaiyou@mastodon.tedomum.net
2019-05-27T07:15:42Z
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@bn4tI believe that archiving for the purpose of protecting the data (i.e. not doing anything with it, just store it somewhere) would be okay, at least morally.But I still haven't faced an example of this except for explicitly public archives or mirrors (usually encouraged by the author) and some small scale private copies (starting with people saving a page locally).The closest we get is the wayback machine, if only it wasn't publishing everything.
(DIR) Post #9jEr46Luy6VUL6gpNo by animeirl@social.homunyan.com
2019-05-27T05:33:06Z
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@DashEquals yeah. i mean i like kaniini but that post is real dumb
(DIR) Post #9jEr46fPnc6RJZoOm0 by ffs@shitasstits.life
2019-05-27T14:37:36.513567Z
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@animeirl @DashEquals I just want to comprehend why you're both cowardly talking about his technical objection instead of say making your FE better than brutaldon. I strictly don't get it.I know he's a haughty guy, but he's being technical with what he says.Code's right here for you to dab and implement:https://git.pleroma.social/pleromairc:freenode.net/%23pleroma to discussI want something in elixir, POST query-able like HTSQL
(DIR) Post #9jErEOohAqcAV73ooa by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T14:39:22Z
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@ffs I could... in fact, I am in the very early stages of a AP compatible software that actually respects the user (and that doesn't require JavaScript).@animeirl
(DIR) Post #9jErNuLhJ5zEu21zWq by ffs@shitasstits.life
2019-05-27T14:41:11.561986Z
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@DashEquals please make it better than brutaldon I hate it's python dependencies, I can't really run it on my Rpi: which is our target goal.Talking to the person that customized NetBSD to run pleroma on a PlayStation 1@animeirl
(DIR) Post #9jEsKShriybMFyJx3I by DashEquals@linuxrocks.online
2019-05-27T14:42:53Z
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@ffs I'm curious: what language would you prefer?@animeirl
(DIR) Post #9jEsKSsr47OMo3SjBI by ffs@shitasstits.life
2019-05-27T14:51:46.106594Z
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@DashEquals I don't have a strict preference, but the raw requirements are:2MB RAM33.8688 MHz CPUI want to be able to make PS1 ISO again, and hijack the PS1 to run pleroma unattended. We made pleroma originally to run on modern phones, so there's no excuse people can run it on their homes.I prefer the language implementation consumes little power as possible:https://thenewstack.io/which-programming-languages-use-the-least-electricity/But I'm fine keeping it everything in Elixir, so that future programmers only have to learn one language and go.[precisely this is why I no longer care about pleroma and I'm focusing on @tuxcrafting's https://gitlab.com/tuxcrafting/sminosI want to use as little resources as possible]Untagging you bae @animeirl