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(DIR) Post #9iur47NpkQFMDEuEHg by dansup@mastodon.social
2019-05-17T22:44:48Z
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Wow. git.gnu.io is shutting down on June 1st. Glad I use GitHub...https://about.gitlab.com/gitlab-hosted/#githost-is-shutting-down-on-june-1st-2019
(DIR) Post #9iur47Zt1bt6ocXr4S by cwebber@octodon.social
2019-05-17T22:47:33Z
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@dansup Unfortunately, GitHub probably will someday shut down, too. It doesn't seem like it's possible from this vantage point, but I remember when all my friends moved their stuff to Google Code away from Sourceforge because "well, Google is really good at hosting things, so at least I can be sure *that* won't go south/away." Well...Until we have a p2p replacement for GitHub (and not just client-server federated), the situation will remain not great.
(DIR) Post #9iur47ikUeydG6gvsu by cwebber@octodon.social
2019-05-17T22:48:30Z
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@dansup And by that I mean "p2p and usable by your average coder"
(DIR) Post #9iur47uRnAKnqOAH7Q by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-17T23:03:21.231715Z
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@cwebber @dansup yeah like emaillinux kernel folks already figured out distributed git workflow, but it isn't sexy enough for ruby devs ¯\_(ツ)_/¯i'm glad that sr.ht is trying to make it shiny enough for lazy people to use
(DIR) Post #9iusAy0N7B2p6hlGts by charlag@birb.site
2019-05-17T22:50:17Z
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@cwebber @dansup isn't git by itself p2p? I think this is the case where small servers don't hurt actually, unlike with social
(DIR) Post #9iusAyDqJ5otmU41tg by cwebber@octodon.social
2019-05-17T22:51:03Z
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@charlag @dansup "Yes", but it's the social parts of GitHub that are what makes GitHub succeed over simpler self-hosting routes.
(DIR) Post #9iusAyOpeEbuKZCo1g by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-05-17T23:09:40Z
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@cwebber @charlag @dansup I thought it was the pain of having different accounts on different community sites.Seriously, peer-to-peer authentication would help decentralize a whole lot of stuff.
(DIR) Post #9iusAyasvQFevwqQoS by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-17T23:15:46.267838Z
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@alcinnz @cwebber @charlag @dansup OpenID Connect exists alreadylike seriously, we just need to use the standards and tools that we have instead of reinventing things over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over ad infinitum
(DIR) Post #9iusIKXRjaRr1Kk7lI by jeffalyanak@social.rights.ninja
2019-05-17T23:17:05Z
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@cwebber @charlag @dansup This is only GItlab's single-tenant hosted service that's going away, though. That was never meant to be a competitor to Github's community.The reason I like Gitea and Gitlab is that I can self-host them and actually solve the problem of trusting a silo altogether.It's easy enough to mirror my repositories to Github to leverage the discovery/community factor while not relying on them at all.
(DIR) Post #9iusJKcutLfBaFmMtc by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-17T23:17:19.718085Z
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@alcinnz @cwebber @charlag @dansup it seemed like we had our shit together in 2009, but then tech amenisa set in and everyone forgot about decentralized web platforms until gargomon saved us from our own stupidity or something idk current year fucking sucks
(DIR) Post #9iusvfz5vsm8pNR8yW by alcinnz@floss.social
2019-05-17T23:20:32Z
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@xj9 @charlag @dansup @cwebber I'm sure you'll correct me, but what I think when I hear OpenSearch is a way to push people towards having an account on the central silos of today.Personaly I think the <keygen> form input would've been great if browsers hadn't given that such a terrible UI.But I wouldn't be surprised if great standards already existed, I keep coming accross that in my Odysseus work.
(DIR) Post #9iw7hOLaP5D8XjZ0SW by fr33domlover@todon.nl
2019-05-18T12:44:15Z
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@cwebber can you explain that statement please? :) and also, which kinds of web platforms do you think are best done federated, and which p2p? @dansup
(DIR) Post #9iw7hOe1IXxLSuBjBw by cwebber@octodon.social
2019-05-18T13:23:59Z
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@fr33domlover @dansup "why not both"? There's no reason we can't merge the federated social web and p2p systems, and that's a thesis Spritely is exploring.It's out of date from my current thinking, but you can see more here: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot5-boston/blob/master/final-documents/activitypub-decentralized-distributed.md
(DIR) Post #9ixgknHdq24KIw2J9s by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-19T07:51:42Z
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@dansup Looks like they could talk to GitLabHost about migrating?
(DIR) Post #9ixgsqqeT7ZRg1FoVU by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-19T07:53:17Z
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@cwebber @dansup That stopped the inevitable git-ssb comments before they got out.
(DIR) Post #9ixoPUnUArvUWQHoLA by ContainsLiquid@mstdn.io
2019-05-18T11:20:43Z
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@cwebberI think the aspect of having a user interface for issues and such is very important. Even in a distributed system like git. Have you ever checked out fossil scm? From my quick search it feels git-like but it has also a webinterface built in with thungs like a wiki and an issue tracker. And all these information are part of the repository so they are distributed with the actual sourcecode.@dansup
(DIR) Post #9iy5UAauPioiX5DaZk by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-19T12:28:51Z
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@xj9 @cwebber @dansup I only now realized that sr.ht can be partly viewed as a Salut à Toi for SMTP.
(DIR) Post #9iy7bj3GtrenKtDP7Y by SoniEx2@sleeping.town
2019-05-17T23:06:22Z
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@cwebber @dansup client-server federated is fine! the problem is project management! it's a social problem, not a technical one.
(DIR) Post #9iy7bjFKB3IXwGr1uK by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-19T12:51:42Z
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@SoniEx2 @cwebber @dansup please elaborate
(DIR) Post #9iy7gzrtntrEwJPRIG by charlag@birb.site
2019-05-17T22:48:50Z
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@dansup wtf, they should move to their own server
(DIR) Post #9iy7h03x55UzXh3452 by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-19T12:53:36Z
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@charlag @dansup There's like a 30th of a person maintaining this dervice.
(DIR) Post #9iy8VFIAjUkhFqeuDQ by SoniEx2@sleeping.town
2019-05-19T12:55:02Z
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@clacke @cwebber @dansup compare:https://github.com/tootsuite/mastodonvshttps://github.com/arclanguage/anarki
(DIR) Post #9iy8VFVHwjFBuWnNey by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-19T13:02:41Z
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@SoniEx2 @cwebber @dansup But the problems with federation are not caused by how Mastodon the software is governed, they are caused by federation.The problem is running software on Somebody Else's Server, relying on that admin for backups, availability and moderation/federation decisions, and being stuck with your identity tied to that early choice.
(DIR) Post #9iyb2TX7bRmFhBHiaG by bhaugen@social.coop
2019-05-18T14:18:59Z
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@cwebber @fr33domlover @dansup I'm using ActivityPub with our team in a P2P manner now. Experimenting with combos of P2P and federations. This identity I am tooting from now is a one of many in social.coop. @bhaugen is just me, P2P, federated with a few other personal pubs and also social.coop and all the other multi-person sites addressed in this toot.
(DIR) Post #9iyb2ToUYrfiZ3Paeu by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2019-05-19T16:19:24Z
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@bhaugen @cwebber @fr33domlover @dansup @bhaugen hi all, just a drive by comment to mention #ForgeFed, which is speccing out Version Control System vocabulary on top of #ActivityPub.https://notabug.org/peers/forgefedI think ActivityPub is a great start to #decentralize/#redecentralize, but getting deep into collaborating on the same works is going to require more extension. forgefed has high potential in to advance our ability to work together.
(DIR) Post #9iyb2U3NfVa7JENTrk by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-19T18:22:36.668802Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @dansup @fr33domlover @cwebber @bhaugen seems like a lot of unnecessary effort when mailing lists and git already exist.https://www.list.org/https://git-scm.com/docs/git-imap-sendhttps://git-scm.com/docs/git-send-emailyou don't even have to host your own list, there are tons of free mailing list providers out there.and if you really can't handle sending an email, sourcehut gives you a web interface into this same type of workflow.
(DIR) Post #9iybZCZlfeUSex7yu8 by sum@greenish.red
2019-05-19T18:28:34.538900Z
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@xj9 @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @dansup @fr33domlover @cwebber @bhaugen we also have hashtags and irc and Xmpp and atom, you're absolutely right xj9 we have billions of great tools that can all play nicely with each other
(DIR) Post #9iybbu7ClPSuH13Xhw by a_breakin_glass@cybre.space
2019-05-19T18:29:00Z
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@cwebber @dansup oh hai SSB
(DIR) Post #9iybmP5cSM0fEcJy7M by sum@greenish.red
2019-05-19T18:30:57.638466Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @dansup @fr33domlover @cwebber @bhaugen I'm making an activitypub client that uses fuse to mount your activitypub account and its timelines, inbox outbox, notifications search etc to a Filesystem in user space; i imagine this could encourage people to get creative with writing new kinds of AP scripts
(DIR) Post #9iycv15JAx5lLRqXS4 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-19T18:43:41.761505Z
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@sum @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @dansup @fr33domlover @cwebber @bhaugen yeah exactly!
(DIR) Post #9iydA2n774JeyuVAUC by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2019-05-19T18:39:14Z
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@sum heck heck heck yes. i have something fuse-like , in the 'everything is a file'/9p variety, that I am also really excited to get going. could not be more excited & happy to hear other experiments on this front!atm still doing some ground work on libraries & don't have activitypub related stuff to show off yet. soon! do you have a repo?
(DIR) Post #9iydAKZwykTw9ITuT2 by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2019-05-19T18:37:50Z
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@sum i'm a pretty big fan of xmpp in particular. i see a lot of similarity between xmpp & activitypub, although we think of them for different purposes. but modern xmpp is often storing messages into channels, which is pretty close to the activitypub feed semantic ideas. then it sprinkles in workspace & rosters, shared rooms... a lot of good stuff.atom & atompub are the classic & mad respect, but i don't see much advantage vs activitypub. should be easy-ish to expose atom from activitypub.
(DIR) Post #9iye4Ff8Rdez7MZVOC by sum@greenish.red
2019-05-19T18:56:35.700371Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 made a list of all the HTTP GET parts of the mastodon api, started working on implementing oauth2 from scratch last night before it was too late and I was too stoned and passed outflake id for user identity is not very user friendly, how do you internally keep a list of usernames etc? simple key value store of userid to "user@host"?thinking I'll git it later lol, I hang out in irc and when @xj9 fixes its Xmpp server I also hang out there, referencing this https://github.com/kivutar/socialfs as well but expanding it :P
(DIR) Post #9iyexksa5BztrWKKZs by sum@greenish.red
2019-05-19T19:06:37.597559Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 see, this is what my notes look like right now, this is a joke that barely resembles something usable at the least but welcome aboard https://git.pleroma.social/xx/polearmimage.png
(DIR) Post #9iygyUqtMC3OLv1Bh2 by sum@greenish.red
2019-05-19T19:29:10.206646Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 i don't remember if I ever made my "irc 2 activitypub" relay public, but that was a fun project i just love relays all around. finding ways to tie ATOM, IRC, AP, heck XMPP, whatever together is really simple to do and just makes for a more interesting + useful platform
(DIR) Post #9iyjGcn0mgt05gyW3c by cj@mastodon.technology
2019-05-19T19:52:10Z
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@xj9Yes, and it is well known that Drew (the creator of sourcehut) is very pro-email-git and is very-against-ForgeFed.I'm the guy that debated him in the ForgeFed archives. I still have a blog post I need to write up around this whole "git is already federated" non-argument.@bhaugen @dansup @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @fr33domlover @cwebber
(DIR) Post #9iyjqQuCRjilerPbTU by sum@greenish.red
2019-05-19T20:01:19.717148Z
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@jauntywunderkind420 building a fake XMPP client on top of an "activitypubfs" does not seem like it would be incredibly difficult, might be an interesting proof of concept. #Pleroma even supports rich text just like #xmpp does. widget (avatar + display name) widget (time, author, message) widget (time, author, message) widget (time, author, message) widget(wsiyg toolbar + input text box, send button) #opensource #activitypub #chat #gui#xmpp #decentralized #development #frontend #badideas #plan9
(DIR) Post #9iykBgvA61chPVzyxU by cwebber@octodon.social
2019-05-19T20:04:59Z
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@a_breakin_glass @dansup SSB is pretty cool and has a lot of the right ideas, but I think there are some aspects of its design which mean it can't grow to current-fediverse scale.Nonetheless, a source of good ideas for sure.
(DIR) Post #9iyndyvZ2eFnEAMu92 by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-19T20:43:53.023802Z
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@cj @bhaugen @dansup @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @fr33domlover @cwebbertumblr_nldwpn9Ryj1qe0mfso1_500.…
(DIR) Post #9iyoshBdNr2YVGStUW by jauntywunderkind420@cybre.space
2019-05-19T20:57:27Z
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@sum i fully fully agree that getting things into filesystem space is a really flexible way of unlocking people's creativity, encouraging them to hack things in all sorts of neat manners. #EndUserProgramming ftw!we need to liberate compute from the application.
(DIR) Post #9iyp5iIcYf8NicwMvA by cj@mastodon.technology
2019-05-19T20:47:28Z
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@xj9It may be because I'm a dim individual, but I don't really understand what you're trying to say here.I have nothing against git+email, please keep using it and supporting Drew via using sourcehut!@bhaugen @dansup @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @fr33domlover @cwebber
(DIR) Post #9iyp5iRq0OVUBDFjHs by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-19T21:00:06.028563Z
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@cj @bhaugen @dansup @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @fr33domlover @cwebber i'm frustrated by the cycle of tech amnesia. i've been watching, we've been on the verge of federated-whatever for ages. what is so different about current year's whatever that is going to keep people from getting bored and moving onto shiny new whatever?go ahead and do your thing obviously. my objection has been noted so now i can focus on my research problems :)
(DIR) Post #9iypzh0YXw5jvkBS9w by 361.xj9@social.sunshinegardens.org
2019-05-19T21:10:12.550761Z
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@sum the room is back, but you might have to rejoinxmpp:walkaway@conference.sunshinegardens.org
(DIR) Post #9izJxqpy1n0iSdGjFw by clacke@libranet.de
2019-05-20T02:45:56Z
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(no it didn't 😀 )
(DIR) Post #9izK96C3H3ozGxxhwm by cj@mastodon.technology
2019-05-19T21:05:02Z
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@xj9It's a bummer you're frustrated, and I am sorry to hear that.Sadly, there's nothing stopping people from moving on.I'm sitting here thinking "Why did we move away from Freenet"? It's insanely *mathematically* proven for *active* censorship resistance. Like if literally someone tried to scrub data away. It's so way beyond ActivityPub, Zot, Diaspora, E-mail, IRC, literally any other federated/decentralized thing.@bhaugen @dansup @jauntywunderkind420 @bhaugen @fr33domlover @cwebber
(DIR) Post #9piURMBHVzF1okiYQi by fr33domlover@todon.nl
2019-05-19T19:47:46Z
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@cwebber @dansup and everyone else: What do you think about Radicle and git-ssb? They both do federated repos, using IPFS and SSB respectively.
(DIR) Post #9piURMXcAx6cw1AOEy by clacke@libranet.de
2019-12-07T08:57:56Z
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TIL about https://radicle.xyz/ which seems to be git-remote-ipfs plus IPFS issue hosting. Maybe I'll try it out./via https://todon.nl/@fr33domlover/102124438601923479