Post 9iMMsd1ZNJPFPhLZYG by dirk@computerfairi.es
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 (DIR) Post #9i0g5UBmSmGjqZyB7I by aral@mastodon.ar.al
       2019-04-20T13:46:37Z
       
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       If you want to understand why I’m so pissed off about such a “minor” thing (icons, pfft!) it’s because this year I will be showing my Linux desktop to 1000s of people at conferences and I want to challenge their preconceptions about FOSS; to know that FOSS can be beautiful.
       
 (DIR) Post #9i0j0jvioKqX56t2JM by bugaevc@mastodon.technology
       2019-04-20T18:34:11Z
       
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       @aral I understand your frustration, and of course consistency in design is very important. But the right thing to do for Pop!_OS would not be to retheme all the icons (like it used to), it's to retheme none — the icons *are* consistent in the upstream GNOME (they were intentionally designed to be consistent between each other & with third-party app icons). *That's* what you should be calling for.
       
 (DIR) Post #9i0j0k4aHNw3Wb277o by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
       2019-04-20T21:09:15Z
       
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       @bugaevcThe default GNOME icon theme is... not very good, honestly. At least the current one. It looks 2003. It was a good year, no doubt, but it won't get you any wow points today.So, this is PopOS's added value: it's GNOME but better. Much like Ubuntu tried to be back in the day. My boss, a long time mac user took a look at PopOS PC I installed for the intern and said "wow, this looks and feels really really nice. Is it really Linux?". I couldn't believe my own ears. Even Elementary hadn't moved him. The intern is in process of switching to Linux right now. I understand the appeal of "getting rid of distributions" and making desktop Linux a cathedral project. It's harder to achieve consistency in highly competitive bazaar environment, totally get it. But "harder" doesn't mean "impossible". PopOS duplicates a lot of work redrawing all apps' icons in its own unique style, but honestly? Their style being well defined, it's doing okay.@aral
       
 (DIR) Post #9i0ljeJYjgC2bYZwLQ by bugaevc@mastodon.technology
       2019-04-20T21:39:47Z
       
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       @drequivalent @aral you're talking about the previous, pre-3.32 icon theme, aren't you? That one looked quite dated indeed, but the new one is flat, bright, & lovely. http://jimmac.musichall.cz/blog/2019-01-23-the-big-app-icon-redesign/
       
 (DIR) Post #9iMMsd1ZNJPFPhLZYG by dirk@computerfairi.es
       2019-04-21T14:03:50Z
       
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       @aral This is actually a thing. It is visual consistency that helped me make the jump from macOS to Linux many years ago.I’m not a techie plus a very visual user, and if it weren’t for @elementary OS' much-derided styleguide, I would probably still sit in my gilded iCage wondering what might be on the other side.I had tried other distros, but being unable to see the beauty of code or licenses, you’re left with the GUI and UX – and coming from macOS, most felt like an assault on the senses.
       
 (DIR) Post #9iqoUE3MUlQpvuFRj6 by sirikon@plaza.remolino.town
       2019-04-20T14:04:49.638403Z
       
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       @aral Microsoft and Apple doesn't overwrite any icon in their operating systems, and still the ecosystem feels *mostly* consistent. The consistency problems of those OSes and Linux's aren't the icons.Pop_OS removing the custom icons seems like the right choice. Apps should have a decent icon independently (as every app should provide a decent UI/UX for the purpose). If the app doesn't have a decent icon, it's the app's problem. Fix it in the app, make a pull request with a better icon.The solution of custom icons, also, doesn't scale well. It's better to have each icon with its own style, that all the icons with the same style... In a distro that doesn't fit in that style. Is having to re-design every app for every distro the right decision? I don't think so.
       
 (DIR) Post #9iqpXBfXupkTMU5Ipc by aral@mastodon.ar.al
       2019-04-20T14:08:23Z
       
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       @sirikon Try and get an app that isn’t consistent with Apple’s HIG onto the iOS or macOS App Stores. Also, on those platforms, since consistency is the norm, people would reject an inconsistent app even if Apple allowed it (or if it was distributed outside the store). It’s a matter of pride on those platforms for your icon to be consistent. On Linux, the norm – currently – is inconsistency.
       
 (DIR) Post #9iqpXBrxAhfnyxtDAe by leip4Ier@infosec.exchange
       2019-05-15T21:45:39Z
       
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       @aral @sirikon tbh, i have a feeling that they all are moving towards inconsistency, with microsoft being the worst. say thanks to electron, etc.
       
 (DIR) Post #9iuAoNabWwxnlZgy5Q by sirikon@plaza.remolino.town
       2019-05-16T03:01:47.197253Z
       
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       @leip4Ier @aral Microsoft is being highly inconsistent with their own applications. Just see the icons of VSCode, Visual Studio and the Office Suite. And all that compared with how SharePoint or Bing looks like.How is electron affecting here?
       
 (DIR) Post #9iuAoNqYZdiwZ39hx2 by leip4Ier@infosec.exchange
       2019-05-17T15:09:53Z
       
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       @sirikon @aral electron is just one of the offenders. electron apps are based on a built-in browser, so it's impossible for them to use system UI widgets, and they don't even usually try to mimic them.