Post 9fUGlcD535F6ZjoYN6 by susannah@octodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #9fUEJONMgrZheY2V4y by sciss@octodon.social
       2019-02-03T13:36:12Z
       
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       Perhaps stupid question - why set up a #Liberapay account, if it simply links up to two US based payment processors, Stripe and PayPal (as far as I understand); instead of just linking to your PayPal account directly?
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUEJOZ3zMvsEpVqJU by Liberapay@mastodon.xyz
       2019-02-04T09:10:18Z
       
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       @sciss See https://mastodon.xyz/@Liberapay/101359516621504999
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUEslPf1zSBEiynce by sciss@octodon.social
       2019-02-03T13:51:38Z
       
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       And what do people think of #flattr - I deleted my account a while ago; they have adjusted to GDPR and all, and are based in Europe (company in Sweden, and payment provider in Luxembourg). They are for-profit though (like Patreon I guess), taking 5% commission. Not sure I like their browser add-on idea, leaving a big data trail, I guess.
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUEslfG5zvk16HFw0 by Liberapay@mastodon.xyz
       2019-02-04T09:16:43Z
       
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       @sciss Flattr's payment processor is the one who backstabbed us last year, so you may want to avoid it.
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUFuDkxEi05NzCLzM by sciss@octodon.social
       2019-02-03T14:02:51Z
       
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       Also I don't understand. In 2006, Liberapay's FAQ mentions you can withdraw through SEPA - https://web.archive.org/web/20160429202150/https://liberapay.com/about/faq - but in 2019 it writes "in the near future SEPA Direct Debits" will be possible. How did they manage to invert the arrow of time?
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUFuE1GG52oCYpNPE by Liberapay@mastodon.xyz
       2019-02-04T09:28:10Z
       
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       @sciss SEPA Direct Debits are a payment method for donors, not a withdrawal mechanism for creators. Payouts to SEPA bank accounts have always been available, before through Mangopay and now through Stripe and PayPal.P.S. The FAQ has been updated to reflect the fact that SEPA Direct Debits are operational once again.
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUGlcD535F6ZjoYN6 by susannah@octodon.social
       2019-02-03T14:11:43Z
       
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       @sciss it used to let you put money in a bunch of different ways, and held it while you made real micropayments until it ran out. But I think that put them into a regulatory position they didn't want to be in and so they had to switch to something else - which doesn't quite work.
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUGlcWZsaq3YCw7lI by sciss@octodon.social
       2019-02-03T14:12:33Z
       
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       @susannah "which doesn't quite work" - so are you advising against Liberapay? What are the better alternatives?
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUGlcpMkjrqUTj82y by susannah@octodon.social
       2019-02-03T16:20:59Z
       
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       @sciss I found that Liberapay isn't really useful for micropayments anymore and I haven't found anything to replace it. OpenCollective looks like a Patreon replacement, but not a micropayments service. But maybe a good way to support the particular projects you're interested in?
       
 (DIR) Post #9fUGld6NjTTjLFgiZM by Liberapay@mastodon.xyz
       2019-02-04T09:37:49Z
       
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       @susannah @sciss OpenCollective is nothing like Patreon. OpenCollective provides fiscal sponsorship to groups of creators, whereas Patreon provides a paywall system mostly targeted at individual creators. Liberapay provides neither of those things, we only facilitate the processing of pure donations directly to the recipient.