Post 800014 by espectalll@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #799959 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T14:48:52Z
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nano > vimthis is an objective fact
(DIR) Post #799973 by tuxcrafting@animeisgay.com
2018-10-27T14:49:14Z
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@ale wronged >>>>>>> vim > nano
(DIR) Post #799975 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T14:49:25Z
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@ale delete > yourself
(DIR) Post #799981 by admin@lushka.ml
2018-10-27T14:49:54Z
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@ale YES
(DIR) Post #799988 by miwilc@niu.moe
2018-10-27T14:50:15Z
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@ale (n)vi-m > anything else
(DIR) Post #799990 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T14:50:20Z
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@tuxcrafting @ale fun fact: vi is just ed for modern computers
(DIR) Post #799991 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T14:50:30Z
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exiting nano:ctrl+xexiting Vim:Esc, Esc, Ctrl+C, Esc, :quit, Esc, :quit, Enter
(DIR) Post #799994 by majachai@niu.moe
2018-10-27T14:50:38Z
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@ale :q! on this opinion
(DIR) Post #799997 by Deiru@gensokyo.social
2018-10-27T14:50:54Z
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@ale Good shitpost
(DIR) Post #800001 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T14:51:06Z
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vim is crap
(DIR) Post #800002 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T14:51:07Z
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@ale I just do :wq or :q! lmao
(DIR) Post #800008 by tuxcrafting@animeisgay.com
2018-10-27T14:51:37Z
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@ale yeah, emacs is better :^)
(DIR) Post #800014 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T14:51:58Z
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@ale If you're not being ironic you have a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooot to learn tbh
(DIR) Post #800022 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T14:52:44Z
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what type of ""'"editor""'" will trip up and fuck something over because you dared to use a character like the colon or *gasp* "a" when it's a reserved command in Vimit's crap, this is beyond obsolete behavior.
(DIR) Post #800029 by eal@social.sakamoto.gq
2018-10-27T14:52:55.090564Z
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@Toromino @ale E212: Can't open file for writing
(DIR) Post #800030 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2018-10-27T14:53:09.978350Z
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@Toromino @ale Esc ZZ
(DIR) Post #800036 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T14:53:33Z
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@ale you have to know which modes you're using, that's the thing. Vi/vim weren't intended to be intuitive for the newbies but productive for the experienced.
(DIR) Post #800050 by debbie@pleroma.apelsin.space
2018-10-27T14:54:12.616070Z
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@tuxcrafting @ale nvi is between ed and vim
(DIR) Post #800075 by Deiru@gensokyo.social
2018-10-27T14:55:39Z
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@ale u.Just press u.
(DIR) Post #800076 by slightlyflightyone@vulpine.club
2018-10-27T14:55:40Z
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@espectalll @ale I use Vim and nano is awkward af and super slow in comparison.
(DIR) Post #800102 by slightlyflightyone@vulpine.club
2018-10-27T14:56:39Z
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@ale Exiting Vim only requires this:Esc, :wq; enterI don’t have to switch mindsets from typing to inputting commands. I love it.
(DIR) Post #800115 by hhardy01@mastodon.social
2018-10-27T14:57:44Z
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@ale What do you prefer?
(DIR) Post #800133 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T14:59:02Z
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Every well-designed terminal program UI:✅ Uses control key commands✅ And/or uses the alt + shift keys✅ Clearly shows which key combinations do whatVim:❌ Conflicts normal keystrokes as commands❌ Shit doesn't make sense❌ Poorly-made interface❌ Requires you read a manual to understand how the fuck you exit the damn piece of shit
(DIR) Post #800142 by tuxcrafting@animeisgay.com
2018-10-27T14:59:40Z
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@ale oklet me introduce you to the insert mode and :help
(DIR) Post #800143 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T14:59:42Z
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@slightlyflightyone @ale I'll admit 3.0 has made things a lot quicker and more simple, and that makes it mostly pass, but it's still a lot slower and awkward to work with than a fined-tuned vim or Emacs.
(DIR) Post #800160 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:00:04Z
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@ale Stop complaining and read the manual lol
(DIR) Post #800167 by slightlyflightyone@vulpine.club
2018-10-27T15:00:30Z
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@espectalll @ale Yeah. I’m way faster with Emacs even and that’s not even “my” editor.
(DIR) Post #800169 by wowaname@anime.website
2018-10-27T15:00:19.095191Z
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@ale you never pass up a chance to look like a complete and utter retard, do you
(DIR) Post #800179 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:01:03Z
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@ale or do the tutorial or somethingit's really REALLY not intended to use it as you expect it to be, it's older than most editors yet so popular for a reason
(DIR) Post #800181 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:01:16Z
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@slightlyflightyone @ale *fine-tuned rip
(DIR) Post #800187 by Deiru@gensokyo.social
2018-10-27T15:01:32Z
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@espectalll @ale
(DIR) Post #800190 by wowaname@anime.website
2018-10-27T15:01:34.913794Z
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@ale how is "ctrl-x" any more obvious than ":q!"
(DIR) Post #800193 by bonzoesc@m.bonzoesc.net
2018-10-27T15:01:35Z
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@ale vim's lineage predates control-key commands and computers with enough memory for programs to have a friendly ui like nano
(DIR) Post #800195 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:01:44Z
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@Deiru @ale I want to believe
(DIR) Post #800203 by Ste1lar@niu.moe
2018-10-27T15:02:17Z
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@ale me 5 minutes ago
(DIR) Post #800247 by museus@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2018-10-27T15:04:45Z
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@sathariel @Toromino @ale RTFM always helps... and when not, there're plenty of helpful tips on sites like below. Anyway, it's a cliche argument. It was already old and cliche back in the 1990's... No one cares so long as you can get your shit done.https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1218390/what-is-your-most-productive-shortcut-with-vim/1220118#1220118
(DIR) Post #800304 by oct2pus@catgirl.science
2018-10-27T15:03:08.951007Z
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@ale you should try out micro. It provides an experience much more akin to gui editors your used tohttps://micro-editor.github.io/
(DIR) Post #800305 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T15:07:16Z
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@oct2pus all terminal editors are crap, it's just a matter of which ones give less headaches
(DIR) Post #800321 by ivesen@miniwa.moe
2018-10-27T15:08:12.799884Z
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@ale @oct2pus ed(1) the standard editor
(DIR) Post #800346 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:09:47Z
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@ale @oct2pus all human interaction methods are crap tbh, we just use the ones which work best
(DIR) Post #800356 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:10:07Z
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@ale @oct2pus (and yes, even language sucks, when do we start using Lojban)
(DIR) Post #800388 by sathariel@miniwa.moe
2018-10-27T15:11:36.156633Z
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@museus @ale @Toromino I think that when your brain get used to it, the vi modal style and commands become pretty natural, almost automatic.
(DIR) Post #800453 by shmibs@kawen.space
2018-10-27T15:15:03.306331Z
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@bonzoesc^W ^W ^U^N ^N ^N ^P^J ^J ^U ^I^X ^F ^F
(DIR) Post #800454 by rabbitclaw@tabletop.social
2018-10-27T15:15:07Z
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@ale Vim sounds like something you basically had to have started out learning and then you love it because you've sunk the time into mastering it.Personally I'm with you on the Nano train.
(DIR) Post #800478 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:16:22Z
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@rabbitclaw @ale it took me like two days on an iPad to learn the Vim basics, is it really that hard for developers?
(DIR) Post #800484 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:16:59Z
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@rabbitclaw @ale (for the record, up to that point I had used basically Notepad-like editors and IDEs, not even Emacs)
(DIR) Post #800496 by museus@freespeech.firedragonstudios.com
2018-10-27T15:18:16Z
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@sathariel @ale @Toromino Yep. I can attest to that. Apart from `man vim`, when in the editor (in command mode)...:help ...or... :help <command>...also ... helps. Go figure.
(DIR) Post #800507 by ale@mastodon.sergal.org
2018-10-27T15:19:07Z
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@rabbitclaw I *only* use terminal editors rarely and out of necessity, not because I'm some delirious maniac spending 6 hours a day in an SSH session editing a file on a server 1,000 miles away.Nano makes sense, it gets shit done fast. I open it, change some stuff on a line, and it tells me what to press to write-out and exit.Simple. Fast. Clear.I don't need some 197-piece Swiss army knife Vim because it's "better"
(DIR) Post #800587 by rabbitclaw@tabletop.social
2018-10-27T15:23:51Z
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@espectalll @ale I have no problem with admitting it's just hard just for me personally on an individual level. I only go to the terminal when required. Honestly I hadn't even understood what Nano was as a concept until I tried a Vim command hit upon the realisation that these were text editors built within a terminal. Which was weird. Nano lets me dip in, change some lines and gave me instructions how to save and run away so I appreciated that.
(DIR) Post #800763 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:37:16Z
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@rabbitclaw @ale Yeah, that's the thing with Nano, it tells you what to do right on the screen, whereas Vi(m) expects you to already know. Every *NIX since the late 70s has a Vi(-like) editor installed tho so at the very least you should get to know it.
(DIR) Post #800856 by slightlyflightyone@vulpine.club
2018-10-27T15:43:52Z
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@ale You just have to go into insert mode first, fren. 🙂I can’t imagine how much you’d hate vi if you hate Vim this much. Cx
(DIR) Post #801027 by sandrockcstm@elekk.xyz
2018-10-27T15:54:28Z
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@espectalll @rabbitclaw @ale It shouldn't take 2 days of your time to learn a text editor. This is 2018.
(DIR) Post #801047 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2018-10-27T15:56:42Z
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@sandrockcstm @rabbitclaw @ale By "learning" I don't mean "reading how am I supposed to do something", I mean actually learning and being able to do such thing fluently enough. For the value that Vim provides you with I think it's a no-brainer.Also it's 2018 and most stuff is shit, I refuse to make things in ways that are intended only to be easy and obvious, it's gone so wrong in so many ways - just look at how much hardware a developer is expected to have.