Post 2940216 by espectalll@mstdn.io
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(DIR) Post #2939870 by amic@nulled.red
2019-01-13T19:55:18Z
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Mwahahaha
(DIR) Post #2939879 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T19:55:45Z
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@amic makes me wonder, do macOS containers work on Ryzen?
(DIR) Post #2939887 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T19:55:57Z
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@amic you hackintosh once and then you realize that linux is superior
(DIR) Post #2939888 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T19:55:59Z
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@amic (also not Mojave smh)
(DIR) Post #2939892 by hellpie@weeaboo.space
2019-01-13T19:56:09.720592Z
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@amic i'm unfollowingdisgosten
(DIR) Post #2939900 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T19:56:21Z
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@koyu @amic sadly I've seen people going the other way around and then buying a Mac, rip in pieces
(DIR) Post #2939918 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T19:56:38Z
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@espectalll @amic i hacked mojave on my early 2009 mac mini. it runs fine, but it takes long to bootup and run programs, because still hdd :(
(DIR) Post #2939941 by amic@nulled.red
2019-01-13T19:57:12Z
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@koyu I've been hackintoshing(?) since 2015! Linux is a bit nicer yeah, but I haven't done anything on an AMD System yet.
(DIR) Post #2939964 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T19:58:00Z
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@koyu @amic well, yeah, I have a late 2009 iMac and it does, but so do Snow Leopard and Void. There's not much to do there.
(DIR) Post #2939968 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T19:57:54Z
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@espectalll @amic > InfinitelyGalactic buys a mac> runs solus, because he realized that macos is a piece of sh*t
(DIR) Post #2939987 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T19:58:30Z
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@espectalll @amic i wonder how i can install macos on an amd-based hp 255 g6
(DIR) Post #2939990 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T19:58:47Z
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@koyu @amic no idea who is that... if a developer, then sure, macOS has really weird quirks that don't exactly help to work
(DIR) Post #2940047 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:00:23Z
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@espectalll @amic i would just have a mac mini for compiling stuff with xcode over ssh
(DIR) Post #2940091 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:00:33Z
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@espectalll @amic but even that is barely possible today
(DIR) Post #2940092 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:00:55Z
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@espectalll @amic i want macos 10.6 back!
(DIR) Post #2940093 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:02:10Z
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@koyu @amic I have it, it's easy to find online and even available at Apple Stores :blobcat:
(DIR) Post #2940139 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:04:03Z
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@koyu @amic (if you're wondering why are they selling long-ago discontinued products yet that won't even work in 5+ years old computers: Apple)
(DIR) Post #2940148 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:03:59Z
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@espectalll @amic it's available, but application support is spotty
(DIR) Post #2940160 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:05:13Z
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@koyu @amic that's part of the fun, you have a lot more of restrictions and are assuming an unsafe/outdated environment ready to tinker around with
(DIR) Post #2940189 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:06:20.835912Z
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@koyu @amic @espectalll > i want macos 10.6 back!I use it on a 2009 black MacBook ;-)
(DIR) Post #2940198 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:06:10Z
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@espectalll @amic *runs kde 1 on kernel 4.19*
(DIR) Post #2940216 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:07:13Z
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@koyu @amic ...are you really doing that...?wew ladI'd rather use a VM with an old distro like Caldera OpenLinux or Debian for that
(DIR) Post #2940257 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:07:44Z
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@espectalll @amic i don't do it, but i would and i know it's possible
(DIR) Post #2940269 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:08:44.070031Z
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@koyu @amic > you hackintosh once and then you realize that linux is superiorDepends what you like todo. If you like to get done a job no. If you like to tune your OS endless then yes.
(DIR) Post #2940274 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:09:07Z
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@koyu @amic I really wouldn't go that far for clearly outdated workflows, it's fun but it gets in the way tbh
(DIR) Post #2940367 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:07:18Z
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@nawi @espectalll @amic yes, someone has to make a macos distro which looks like the old macos versions, but runs the latest programs
(DIR) Post #2940368 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:13:31.274492Z
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@koyu @amic @espectalll > yes, someone has to make a macos distro which looks like the old macos versions, but runs the latest programsIMHO I tried elementaryOS but at the end, a Mac is a Mac. You don‘t get the same look and feel and also not the same functions (don’t get me wrong, you can do more on Linux but it is not what a Mac user wants todo) then on a Mac.
(DIR) Post #2940395 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:11:14Z
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@nawi @amic linux gets my job done quicker than any operating system out there. linux is great for development, web browsing and sysadmin stuff. macos is only for someone who really needs to develop apps for apple-things and even ios and macos is dying out. you can say whatever you want.
(DIR) Post #2940396 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:14:52.597304Z
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@koyu @amic I have no prpblems to get done my things using macOS and it is not developing.
(DIR) Post #2940475 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:15:03Z
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@nawi @espectalll @amic i mean..what's the mac experience really like? in the end macs are also just pcs. there's not something really cool about macs. everything is marketing there. macos looks good, but functions like crap. it's always in the way for me.
(DIR) Post #2940477 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:19:27.565770Z
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@koyu @amic @espectalll > mean..what's the mac experience really like? .... That depends with which operating systems you grow up. If you are at an age where Linux was already at the mainstream then it is Linux for you. If you experience something like Windows Me vs. Mac OS vs. Gnome 1 it is something different.
(DIR) Post #2940626 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:25:53Z
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@nawi @koyu @amic at the time you had pretty mature distros for the mainstream like Mandrake, Red Hat Linux and Caldera OpenLinux... there was even support for commercial software like Java, Flash, realPlayer, NetScape, StarOffice, WordPerfect and Corel stuff! However, Linux just didn't seem to give a significant advantage for the mainstream, Microsoft fought hard against it and it ended up being a big part and a big loser of the dot com bubble.
(DIR) Post #2940643 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:26:52Z
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@nawi @amic regardless, I was going to say what @koyu is saying now. That doesn't have to do with how the UX feels like to you, in the end.
(DIR) Post #2940696 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:28:35Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic i hope people will realize that windows should die for economic and ecological reasons.
(DIR) Post #2940707 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:28:57Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic agree, also for technical and sanity reasons
(DIR) Post #2940734 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:30:07Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic yes. also educational. teaching students about an open operating system might help them to understand operating systems and computer science in general.
(DIR) Post #2940838 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:26:12Z
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@nawi @espectalll @amic still doesn't answer my question. like how does the ui feel like compared to other operating systems? the ux will be always trash no matter which os you're using. i grew up with mac os 10.6 vs. windows xp vs. kde 3 and i preffered kde 3 just because the ui didn't felt so weird like in macos. windows xp just hung up too much and macos's mouse handling was just weird.
(DIR) Post #2940839 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:33:17.882826Z
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@koyu @amic @espectalll > still doesn't answer my question. like how does the ui feel like compared to other operating systems?Can‘t describe you that as I grow up with GeoWorks vs. AmigaOS. System 7 / Mac OS 8 vs. Windows 98 / Me vs. Gnome 1 and always came back to the Mac. Maybe it is simple a thing what you like todo with the machine.
(DIR) Post #2940844 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:33:26Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic I mean, in universities people *may* study Windows NT, but the focus is usually on MINIX and some Linux, maybe even on Plan 9. I wonder at which levels it could end up being useful though - I actually think more simple and open computers would be best, but also that simply having a programming environment like Python, JavaScript, BASIC or Scratch readily available and along resources like tutorials helps more than what we have.
(DIR) Post #2941021 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:36:50Z
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@nawi @koyu to me it's more like people have yet to figure out a balance between what people use computers for and how the UX lets them do it. I'm having a lot of ideas as of lately, and I think I'm pretty close to finding a balance, but I need to make sure they consistently apply to all current use cases as well as potential future ones.(shouldn't we stop mentioning @amic...?)
(DIR) Post #2941041 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:39:36Z
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@nawi @espectalll @amic still, where's the point in using a mac? if you want to game on a mac, you can use windows, if you write stuff on a mac, you can use linux, if you browse the web you can use linux and even if you game a little linux might be for you. if you're still thinking linux is for geeks who want to customize their system down to the bottom, think twice. you can just use linux right out of the box without the need to bother about anything.
(DIR) Post #2941042 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:41:01Z
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@koyu @amic I get @nawi tho. You can do all of those things, but the main issue is the defaults and the interface paradigms/metaphors. Some people feel macOS is overall more polished and consistent, and less distracting, than anything else.
(DIR) Post #2941059 by amic@nulled.red
2019-01-13T20:41:55Z
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@espectalll @koyu @nawi you're all wrong, computers suck, and I hope the universe explodes into a flaming ball of fire.
(DIR) Post #2941068 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:42:12Z
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@amic @koyu @nawi Computers don't suck, humans do
(DIR) Post #2941081 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:42:07Z
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@amic @espectalll @nawi ami understood it
(DIR) Post #2941095 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:42:34Z
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@espectalll @amic @nawi *tim berners-lee voice* http was a mistake
(DIR) Post #2941113 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:43:55.977459Z
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@koyu @amic @espectalll > you can just use linux right out of the box without the need to bother about anything.In 2019 yes. But not in 1997 / 2001 / 2005 as I choosed Mac OS. Why should I now switch if it does the things I need.
(DIR) Post #2941135 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:45:04Z
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@nawi @koyu @amic well, there's many reasons, but if you only consider productivity, most likely it won't give you a significant boost as you're already had a properly setup environment/workflow for a while already.
(DIR) Post #2941156 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:45:59.056414Z
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@espectalll @amic @koyu > Some people feel macOS is overall more polished and consistent, and less distracting, than anything else.Yep or, simple I am to lazy / to old to start again from 0.
(DIR) Post #2941165 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:44:52Z
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@nawi @espectalll @amic because the future is linux. that's it.
(DIR) Post #2941166 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:46:27Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic No, the future is whatever people make now. Linux is over in the (very) long term as it suffers from the same security and stability issues as other systems, even if it's much better handled. I suggest watching out for seL4, Fuchsia OS, Redox, etc.
(DIR) Post #2941239 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:49:12Z
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@nawi @koyu @amic well, considering macOS and (GNU)Linux distros have many layers in common, it's not that much of an issue. You could just, well, tweak elementary OS to make it fit better, or see if there's something that works better for you than macOS. That said, you probably know better than anyone else if it makes sense for you.
(DIR) Post #2941262 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:50:22Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic wasn't there a security-focused operating system once that is very locked down? i might've seen something like that. i don't know what it's called tho.
(DIR) Post #2941265 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:50:41Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic Very locked down? You mean iOS?
(DIR) Post #2941287 by nawi@social.toromino.de
2019-01-13T20:51:33.720452Z
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@espectalll @amic @koyu > You could just, well, tweak elementary OS to make it fit better, or see if there's something that works better for you than macOS. Found the self destruct button very fast in elementaryOS. Less then 15 minutes after installing it on a Mac the systemd sub systems started dieing.
(DIR) Post #2941293 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:51:50Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic no, i mean something like every program runs in its own container, every program has to ask for permission to do anything (even connecting to the internet or writing to the hard disk) and so on
(DIR) Post #2941303 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:52:13Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic QubesOS? It's just a "patch" looking for a compromise between current software and decent security
(DIR) Post #2941326 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:52:51Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic same category, but a little bit different
(DIR) Post #2941339 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:52:28Z
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@nawi @espectalll @amic > installs linux on a macsure it runs like shit
(DIR) Post #2941346 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:53:53Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic well I'm on a Late 2009 iMac. It's the best computer for Linux I had. Full support from day 1, no proprietary blobs required. It's so good, I'm using Musl Void with Nouveau and Wayland GNOME, and nothing is going ape shit.
(DIR) Post #2941372 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:54:45Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic so it's also able to run pureos in theory?
(DIR) Post #2941375 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:56:00Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic I've tested many versions of Linux-Libre, particularly with GuixSD. It really works, like, with no issues at all.
(DIR) Post #2941384 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:56:20Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic (oh, and Trisquel)
(DIR) Post #2941412 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:55:25Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic i mean that's the time when apple didn't built hardware to force their customers on macos.
(DIR) Post #2941413 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:57:37Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic Yeah, and they had Snow Leopard, and everything was great and it was by far the best thing out there.That really didn't last for long.
(DIR) Post #2941425 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:56:28Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic oh, i'm just running pureos on a custom rig, works also pretty fine without proprietary blobs
(DIR) Post #2941426 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:56:53Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic i never tried trisquel. something hold me back.
(DIR) Post #2941441 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T20:58:46Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic I guess it no longer makes sense. But it used to be the better option if your hardware was supported, definitely more so than the hard-to-install Debian or the even worse gNewSense.
(DIR) Post #2941497 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T20:59:18Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic but which base-system does trisquel use?
(DIR) Post #2941498 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:00:56Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic nice! I'm not very tempted by PureOS but I'm thankful Purism tries to make it usable
(DIR) Post #2941551 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:02:07Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic whichever LTS version of Ubuntu they're able to deliver, sadly they got pretty stuck last time and released 8.0 last April based on Ubuntu 16.04. Ouch.
(DIR) Post #2941560 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T21:02:42Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic pureos is very usable from start to finish. the initial experience is even better than any linux i tried so far.
(DIR) Post #2941581 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T21:03:13Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic pureos 8.0 is based on debian sid btw
(DIR) Post #2941596 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:03:53Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic Well, it's for sure among the best for mainstream users 🤔
(DIR) Post #2941604 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T21:03:27Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic or what do you mean?
(DIR) Post #2941605 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:04:37Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic I mean just look at the tableTrisquel was great until it stopped getting updates in time
(DIR) Post #2941625 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T21:05:11Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic yeah, but if you need to run proprietary software fedora is a good choice still. flatpaks + 3rd party repos enabled with one click is great.
(DIR) Post #2941651 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:06:22Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic I still pick up Ubuntu for people who aren't tech savvy just because I like dpkg/apt more, because there's more support/help for it and because it's easier for me to play around with. But yeah, Fedora is nice.
(DIR) Post #2941675 by 444.koyu@koyu.space
2019-01-13T21:07:17Z
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@espectalll @nawi @amic sure, support is nice on debian-based systems, but support by friends is even better :blobpats:
(DIR) Post #2941683 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:07:52Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic in this case I'M usually the main source for support - but I can't trust on that always applying, neither I want it to.
(DIR) Post #2941700 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:08:50Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic (BTW, after proper tweaks on the first week or so, I still haven't been asked for help by the people still using it)
(DIR) Post #2941713 by espectalll@mstdn.io
2019-01-13T21:09:25Z
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@koyu @nawi @amic (...except for stuff that Ubuntu isn't to blame for - that exception was the government)