Post 2871827 by celesteh@algonoise.social
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(DIR) Post #2871827 by celesteh@algonoise.social
2019-01-11T17:13:18+00:00
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So, once in a while, I'm socially called upon to be the 'good immigrant' and I when I perceive this happening, I always push back against it. The difference between me and other migrants is essentially luck. I happen to have had the means to navigate and intentionally confusing mess of paperwork and did not happen to face much trouble when I tried to ignore the rules. It may seem tempting to take advantage of the privileges of being a good migrant, but it's not actually helpful. People who are concerned about bad migrants generally aren't going to be the friend of any migrant and any in with them depends on pushing others down. Any gains made this way are conditional, fleeting and leave everyone worse off. Lifting up all migrants lifts up all migrants. A more welcoming atmosphere makes things better for all of us. Theresa May's hostile environment is, for the best placed of us, an expensive nightmare. Being a 'good migrant' is to be used as an excuse for things like that
(DIR) Post #2871828 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-01-11T17:24:25Z
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@celesteh Agreed, and as I said many times before, the net impact of immigrants is positive not negative. So there is really no reason to have any animosity towards someone simply for being an immigrant or not knowing the language. As someone who is in the exact same shoes as you (in the netherlands) I can relate.
(DIR) Post #2873768 by celesteh@algonoise.social
2019-01-11T18:51:01+00:00
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@freemo Why on earth have you chosen the term 'illegal immigrant' as your hill to die on? It's primarily an american term used against migrants to the US. It's clear that they really don't like this term. Why antagonise people who are worse off than you?
(DIR) Post #2874012 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-01-11T19:04:50Z
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@celesteh Again of all my friends who are Illegal Immigrants not a single one is antagonized by it. It has not been limited to the USA (as I expiernced it several times in reference to myself in the netherlands). So most of your assertions seem to be a fabrication, mostly by extreme leftists who like to argue about language all day and then call people hitler or bigots when some nuance of language doesnt line up with their own. Not a game I'm willing to play, too immature.Just to be clear extremists rights have issues too. extremists of any side generally have a host of undesirable qualities. So dont assume that just because I hate extremists on one side that I find them acceptable on the other.
(DIR) Post #2874483 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-01-11T19:22:29Z
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@celesteh I think this perfectly sums up why I dont play the euphemism game according to the left or the right. Its a waste of energy and childish, not to mention leads to less accurate language. I prefer precision in my language and non-partisan signaling. Long story short, I reject the euphemism treadmill (as I stated earlier).https://www.cato.org/blog/use-euphemisms-political-debate
(DIR) Post #2909021 by celesteh@algonoise.social
2019-01-12T11:22:16+00:00
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@freemo Well aren't you so much more clever than any member of an actually disadvantaged group (which does not actually include americans in the netherlands)
(DIR) Post #2909022 by freemo@qoto.org
2019-01-12T20:19:21Z
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@celesteh I figured me being native american made me a disadvantaged group pretty much anywhere. Glad you taught me about how much not disadvantaged i am for being american....Probably best you shut up now before someone sees you making a fool of yourself.