Post 2430993 by remy@fosstodon.org
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(DIR) Post #2428680 by lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
2018-12-30T09:20:15.721834Z
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""Besides the Higgs-boson, the LHC has not found any new elementary particle."So will the various taxpayers get their money back, minus the value of the Higgs confirmation? I'd love to hear particle physicists discuss that value with the gilets jaunes."Now here's an inconvenient truth
(DIR) Post #2428707 by shpufeff@social.ufeff.club
2018-12-30T09:21:46.567057Z
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@lain how much good does it do to the environment to build LHC?
(DIR) Post #2428771 by sampo@pleroma.soykaf.com
2018-12-30T09:24:52.920303Z
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@lain it would be surprising if time consuming and expensive research didn't turn out to be a waste of time and money for once
(DIR) Post #2428794 by dtluna@leftlibertarian.club
2018-12-30T09:26:02.780301Z
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@sampo @lain "taxes are voluntary so shut the fuck up citizen"
(DIR) Post #2429522 by ayy@soc.h4x.group
2018-12-30T10:02:38.852780Z
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@lain well apart from what they did find there was also a bunch of shit they looked for and didn't find which has value too
(DIR) Post #2429598 by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2018-12-30T10:03:31Z
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@lain How about we come to getting our money back from fundamental physics experiments right after we get our money back from war?
(DIR) Post #2429599 by lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
2018-12-30T10:05:45.273456Z
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@aral i guess as long as the workers keep paying for both, we don't need to change anything.
(DIR) Post #2429714 by remy@fosstodon.org
2018-12-30T10:04:25Z
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@lain in research it takes lots of data, experiments, and years of work to make sense of everything, even more to make claims that are not "boring" to the people not versed in the field. You could say they have found many combinations NOT to find new elem particles. This misunderstanding and fearmongering keeps lots of projects for the common good underfunded, and forces scientists to make precipitated claims just to stay afloat.
(DIR) Post #2429715 by lain@pleroma.soykaf.com
2018-12-30T10:08:23.009286Z
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@remy so what's the solution? just keep building accelerators for even more money until we find something new? All the testable predictions (mostly SUSY stuff) were in the range of the LHC, and nothing was found, except the particle that everybody expected. For an imaginary LHC+ there is no reason to expect anything new.
(DIR) Post #2430993 by remy@fosstodon.org
2018-12-30T10:39:31Z
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@lain i was talking in general, not aware there were plans for an LHC extension (sorry, not a physicist). IMO other fields which are not so resource hungry can benefit from the money that'd otherwise go in an unfertile research (especially since France reduced research budget enough already). So to answer your question: yes more labs, but in other less flagship-ish fields
(DIR) Post #2431138 by acuteanniemay@pleroma.soykaf.com
2018-12-30T11:11:28.629769Z
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@lainscientists-should-make-iphones.…
(DIR) Post #2433998 by wim_v12e@cybre.space
2018-12-30T11:53:00Z
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@lain @remy Evidence for SUSY
(DIR) Post #2434984 by besserwisser@chaos.social
2018-12-30T14:11:05Z
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@lain I would argue that science is already commercialized enough as it is. Everybody expects positive claims or else it just wasn't worth it, which incentivizes bad practices.