Post 2366812 by rysiek@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #2351230 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-27T23:35:32Z
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I can't wait until I can begin removing OStatus-related code from Mastodon. I think GNU social is the last remaining fediverse project that hasn't yet switched to ActivityPub? #mastodev
(DIR) Post #2351231 by kevat@mastodon.social
2018-12-27T23:49:56Z
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@Gargron at some point dropping OStatus, even if not every single project has moved on to ActivityPub yet, should be considered simply because of the fragmentation they add to the fediverse, which is not much better than the threat of proprietary services~
(DIR) Post #2351232 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T00:13:39Z
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@kevatThere is also diaspora and hubzilla@Gargron
(DIR) Post #2351254 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T00:14:13Z
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@kevat @GargronBut what is the point in removing Ostatus support?
(DIR) Post #2351261 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T00:14:13Z
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@maryjane @kevat Hubzilla is on ActivityPub and Diaspora will probably never be, but Diaspora was never OStatus either.
(DIR) Post #2351344 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T00:15:54Z
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@maryjane @kevat Mastodon is not a multi-protocol application. The only reason OStatus is in there is because we started with OStatus, then switched to the much better ActivityPub, and haven't removed OStatus yet.
(DIR) Post #2351412 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T00:18:02Z
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@GargronOk you dont consider diaspora fediverse. Not surprising considering their positions on ActivityPub. But still dont understand why remove Ostaus support@kevat
(DIR) Post #2351492 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T00:21:00Z
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@maryjane @kevat OStatus never moved past a draft stage of standartization. It is completely devoid of any privacy mechanisms. It has no advantages over ActivityPub. Why not still keep it? Because we want cleaner code in Mastodon. Less code to maintain and ensure quality & safety of.
(DIR) Post #2351527 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T00:22:07Z
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@GargronOk. But what improves in mastodon by removing Ostatus support?@kevat
(DIR) Post #2351551 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T00:23:02Z
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@maryjane @kevat Fewer lines of code to maintain. Fewer code paths to keep track of.
(DIR) Post #2351575 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T00:23:57Z
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@Gargron @kevatAt least from a technical point of view. From the fediverse point of view for me it would be like to cut off a part of the fediverse if federation with Gnu Social stops
(DIR) Post #2351646 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T00:25:37Z
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@maryjane @kevat A whole year ago there was talks about GNU social upgrading to ActivityPub. I have not heard anything about it since, but there is a limit to how long you can wait, right? Most of the fediverse has moved on.
(DIR) Post #2357928 by hankg@mastodon.technology
2018-12-28T05:01:06Z
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@Gargron Diaspora hasn’t yet either
(DIR) Post #2357929 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T05:01:21Z
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@hankg Diaspora has never used OStatus
(DIR) Post #2357972 by soka@letsalllovela.in
2018-12-28T05:02:59.796014Z
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@Gargron OStatus? more like OldStatus
(DIR) Post #2357987 by igeljaeger@the.hedgehoghunter.club
2018-12-28T05:03:25.702457Z
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@kevat @Gargron I wouldnt care if pleroma fragmented from mastodon. My feed would almost stay the same :cirnoShrug:
(DIR) Post #2361997 by ayane@osada.app
2018-12-28T02:31:11Z
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@maryjane Hubzilla is not OStatus, it's Zot and later Zot6. Hubzilla have optional plugins for ActivityPub and OStatus.The Diaspora Network (a.k.a. The Federation) has a plan to add ActivityPub support. When it started 6-7 years ago, it had OStatus support. They decided to drop it because it was a P.I.T.A. t maintain and taking away their time from their own "diaspora protocol" (don't confuse it with the software, there are other software connected to the Diaspora Network/Protocol).The only one left still using the obsolete OStatus protocol is GNU Social. OStatus was developed mainly by the main develop behind GNU Social a.k.a. StatusNet, Laconica, Chris Evans. He left and started Pump.io. While developing Pump.io, the beginnings of ActivityPub formed. He left Pump.io to concentrate on ActivityPub.Believe it or not, Pump.io did not even bother to implement OStatus. They also closed/dropped the plan in favor of ActivityPub which still has zero progress.GNU Social fans are developing an ActivityPub plugin, one is already in testing, but it is taking far too long because there simply is no interest within their community. (Like in Diaspora software side, too long, no interest, just a side-project with the least priority.)In other words, OStatus is dead, obsolete, forget about it. It is time to move on. ActivityPub isn't perfect but everyone rallied behind it and not OStatus.Other developers and projects and server admins are dropping OStatus support and/or plugins.We just have to wait for Friendica to make their AP implementation stable and we're completely done with OStatus. If GNU Social wants to stay isolated, it's their choice.Heck, even Socialhome is developing its implementation of AP in their code, Socialhome is mainly Diaspora Network/Protocol. So, Friendica isn't alone in this. Friendica is mainly DFRN with Diaspora Network/Protocol and OStatus, soon ActivityPub too. Will Friendica drop OStatus? I hope so. It's the only way to tell GNU Social fans to migrate to AP.@Yulegen 🎄
(DIR) Post #2362073 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T09:31:08Z
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@ayaneHi, i know hubzilla is not AP, that it's zot. And AP and Ostatus support is via plugins.When mentioned both diaspora and hubzilla, i was mentioning them as being members of the fediverse. Not reffering to whatever protocols they use.
(DIR) Post #2363358 by WAHa_06x36@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T10:47:38Z
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@maryjane @Gargron @kevat Pretty much every code base is improved by removing things. Every non-trivial code vase is already too big to fully understand, and removing things makes this problem less severe. This leads to better development and fewer accidents.
(DIR) Post #2366733 by heluecht@pirati.ca
2018-12-28T09:57:31Z
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I would favour phasing it out not earlier than in half a year - and to communicate that date very openly, so that people could decide to move their accounts.
(DIR) Post #2366734 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T13:33:55Z
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@heluecht@Gargron1/2 Ok, i can understand Ostatus isn't the best piece of code in the planet. But in software projects decisions shouldn't be taken from a merely technical point of view, code is also political, and decisions about code have political implications. For example hubzilla has it's own protocol but they took the political decision of supporting other protocols via plugins. The decision of mastodon dropping Ostatus, at this moment, has a political... 1/2
(DIR) Post #2366812 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T13:36:39Z
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@maryjane @heluecht @Gargron agreed, but is anyone talking about removing it *right now*? The original toot reads to me like "when GNU Social finally implements ActivityPub, OStatus will get removed".
(DIR) Post #2367219 by hankg@mastodon.technology
2018-12-28T13:22:27Z
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@Gargron no but I consider it part of the fediverse
(DIR) Post #2367220 by clacke@libranet.de
2018-12-28T13:57:13Z
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@hankg That is not the majority view. Either way the thread is about the value of keeping OStatus support in Mastodon, and Diaspora is not a factor in that.
(DIR) Post #2367224 by clacke@libranet.de
2018-12-28T13:57:43Z
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@hankg GNU Social can follow any WebSub Atom feed, so it partially supports Diaspora the software (but not Diaspora the protocol, e.g. social.home doesn't do WebSub). Mastodon never did.
(DIR) Post #2369510 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T15:30:44Z
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@rysiekYes the word 'can' on the first sentance makes all the difference. Thats true and uf i overreacted i apologise. But the post is not specific regarding a timeframe.@heluecht @Gargron
(DIR) Post #2369633 by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
2018-12-28T15:34:17Z
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@heluecht @Gargron2/2 Implication, it cuts out a part of the fediverse... But if it's going to happen it would be best if it happened in a fased way, like gor example a 6 month period from announcing to implementing. That could give time for other projects to migrate if they want, or implement AP plugins, give users time to migrate if tge project software they use dosent implrment support to AP. Male the thing smoother.2/2
(DIR) Post #2371007 by rysiek@mastodon.social
2018-12-28T16:34:22Z
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@maryjane @heluecht @Gargron no worries. We all feel strongly about important stuff. 👍🏾 :blobpats:
(DIR) Post #2381112 by lightone@mastodon.xyz
2018-12-28T23:07:17Z
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@Gargron Technically not the last one. There is postActiv. But it doesn't plan adding AP. GNU Social right now has at least 142 online servers and at least 19k registrations. Lack of NodeInfo makes it difficult to measure active users. @dansup was one of the users who mentioned working on AP plugin. Contributions probably welcome. A web developer's definitely welcome: https://www.fsf.org/news/fsf-job-opportunity-web-developer-1
(DIR) Post #2381113 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-12-28T23:09:31Z
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@lightone Yeah, we need GNU Social and the family onboard as soon as possible before OStatus gets kicked to the curb. @Gargron @dansup
(DIR) Post #2417630 by mareklach@mastodon.xyz
2018-12-28T21:26:36Z
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@Gargron I think dropping #ostatus would only make sense at a point in time when: - #Friendica deploys #activitypub into production - #Pixelfed releases an official tagged version with activitypub supportFriendica 2018.12 is apparently a thing in development, but I have no idea if they'll manage to make the timeline.#Socialhome also started work on implementing activitypub, but I am guessing they'll take their sweet time doing it :-).
(DIR) Post #2436950 by xosem@mstdn.io
2018-12-29T05:47:23Z
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@colegota parece que Eugen le mete prisa a quienes mantienen(?) gnusocial para que usen activitiypub en lugar de ostatus. No creo que quiera, per se, quitarse de encima a las usuarias de gnusocial, si no darle un toque a las developers para que "no le hagan perder el tiempo" dando servicio a ostatus cuando es un protocolo virtualmente abandonado. Bien podrían pasar de él y enrocarse en su nicho (como diaspora). Veremos.No es una guerra mastodon vs. gnusocial...
(DIR) Post #2436951 by xosem@mstdn.io
2018-12-29T05:50:45Z
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@colegota ... sólo que ActivityPub ha vencido a OStatus como protocolo de comunicación entre servidores.Es ActivityPub el Fediverso?Pues depende. Es la herramienta que casi todo el Fediverso ha adoptado, es un estándar (más allá de lo que diga W3C)Debe gnusocial adoptar activitypub? Pues puede hacer lo que estime oportuno, igual que mastodon puede quitar el plugin que lo conecta a ostatus.A día de hoy es una decisión política más que técnica....
(DIR) Post #2436952 by xosem@mstdn.io
2018-12-29T05:53:29Z
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@colegota ...en el futuro, con la evolución de ActivityPub que OSTATUS NO TENDRÁ, es posible que las complicaciones técnicas cada vez sean más difíciles de solventar.Perdón por soltarte este rollo 😅 pero es que vi tu RT del mensaje de Eugen 😉 Qué opinas al respecto?
(DIR) Post #2436953 by abdhessuk@mstdn.io
2018-12-30T12:24:49Z
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@xosemBonito lío de protocolos hay aquí. Entiendo que #acticitypub lo ha creado #mastodon y que actualmente soporta OStatus para comunicarse con #gnusocial .Una pregunta que tengo es ¿qué es pleroma actualmente dentro de este jaleo? ¿Diaspora bajo que protocolo funciona como tal? ¿Hubzilla usa los 2 protocolos? @colegota@gnusocial.villanos.ne
(DIR) Post #2436954 by xosem@mstdn.io
2018-12-30T12:56:06Z
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@abdhessukhabía un gráfico muy chulo que ahora no encuentro y lo explicaba muy bien. #activiyPub NO lo creó #mastodon. Sólo lo utiliza. #oStatus es anterior y virtualmente sin mantenimiento. #Pleroma utiliza los dos, igual que #mastodon (por ahora). Hubzilla tiene su propio sistema #zot, pero con plugins conecta con los otros. #Friendica tiene también#Diaspora va a su bola, pero #hubzilla y #friendica conectan también con ellos..y después la gente se prgunta por qué esto se hace masivo😂
(DIR) Post #2444048 by mmn@social.umeahackerspace.se
2018-12-30T14:45:37+00:00
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LONG LIVE XML!!!
(DIR) Post #2453468 by acidburn@hackers.town
2018-12-31T02:04:19Z
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@Gargron GNU Social has an AP plugin though so like.... it does?
(DIR) Post #2454208 by clacke@libranet.de
2018-12-31T02:32:39Z
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@acidburn The AP plugin for GS/pA is not ready.
(DIR) Post #2464945 by tuttle@santsenques.cat
2018-12-31T08:28:02.975336Z
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@Gargron I remember the day you first started tapping into the gnusocial's developers' knowledge and our user base. I for one welcomed you. So you've built an empire on our backs, running your own show. you don't need us now. See you round.@clacke @acidburn @heluecht @kevat @hankg @mareklach @lightone @drequivalent @xosem @abdhessuk @tagomago @dragnucs @jaywink
(DIR) Post #2464946 by drequivalent@mastodonsocial.ru
2018-12-31T10:03:52Z
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@tuttleYou're using Pleroma as far as I can tell.@xosem @abdhessuk @jaywink @tagomago @clacke @Gargron @lightone @mareklach @heluecht @acidburn @kevat @dragnucs @hankg
(DIR) Post #2477487 by clacke@libranet.de
2018-12-31T17:46:58Z
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@mareklach @Gargron @jaywink TIL GangGo actually implemented AP the other month, so Friendica and Hubzilla aren't the only options for living in both Fediverse and Federation anymore!
(DIR) Post #9qPJzPQ016ERfzqNv6 by mareklach@mastodon.xyz
2018-12-31T09:59:03Z
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@heluecht It's always better to take your time to do it right...