Post 2177475 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
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(DIR) Post #2177473 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-21T23:48:53Z
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back to reading Lillian Faderman's "Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers" https://a.co/eaWAvBr
(DIR) Post #2177474 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-21T23:49:40Z
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lol @ "either"
(DIR) Post #2177475 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-21T23:50:59Z
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really looking forward to unlocking this power when i hit level 3
(DIR) Post #2178388 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T00:38:20Z
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taking a break from this book's section on the McCarthy Era (tl;dr: it sucked) to post a 1980 CIA memo on hunting homosexuals that it reminded me of https://www.muckrock.com/news/archives/2017/mar/03/cia-homosexual/most of it's grim and dumb, but parts of it come off like an ad for gay marriage
(DIR) Post #2178389 by crlf@niu.moe
2018-12-22T01:02:05Z
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@VyrCossont It's hard to find homosexuals because they're respectful, clean, happy, and even do things other than have sex. This menace must be stopped.
(DIR) Post #2178452 by cookie@bsd.moe
2018-12-22T01:06:38.016552Z
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@VyrCossont domestic bliss of the highest degree sounds awful
(DIR) Post #2178506 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T00:44:58Z
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as soon as my dyke conversion aura powers come in, i gotta get me some gay marriage, it sounds fuckin rad
(DIR) Post #2178507 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T00:47:32Z
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hands up if the problem was "didn't know you were a girl" 😂🤚
(DIR) Post #2178508 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T00:56:03Z
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NO COPS AT PRIDE.
(DIR) Post #2178509 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:02:15Z
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onto a fascinating and less depressing chapter about the solidification of butch and femme identities
(DIR) Post #2178510 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:10:00Z
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"mainstream" wlw had no room for futches, no femme4femme relationships… sounds like hell honestlyanyone else kinda wanna bring back "fluff" though?
(DIR) Post #2178511 by hierarchon@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:10:54Z
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@VyrCossont but what about bouba lesbians :dragnthaenkin:
(DIR) Post #2178555 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:13:41Z
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@hierarchon presumably softer and rounder than their kiki sistren
(DIR) Post #2179688 by OchotonidKnight@elekk.xyz
2018-12-22T01:17:03Z
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@VyrCossonthttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_under_communismThis toot prompted me to read this fascinating article. Apparently communist reception to homosexuality has been historically mixed, to say the least.
(DIR) Post #2179689 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:24:02Z
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@OchotonidKnight yeah i'm not a huge fan of non-intersectional commies for that reason"everything's a class struggle, once we overthrow the bougies all will be comrades""okay but what about if you're queer, a woman, a person of color, disabled, neurodivergent…""COMRADES"fuck off with that shit kthxbye 🙄
(DIR) Post #2179690 by lyliawisteria@enby.club
2018-12-22T01:28:49Z
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@VyrCossont @OchotonidKnight "after the revolution, when the state has withered away", aka never, not gonna happen, gaslighting af.
(DIR) Post #2179691 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:36:20Z
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@lyliawisteria @OchotonidKnight unless your political system includes specific protections for the people who always get shit on to some degree under every existing political system, i want no part of it, it's a strict downgradeif this gets me cancelled by the "tankie is a slur" crowd, so be it
(DIR) Post #2179692 by hierarchon@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:12:35Z
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@VyrCossont @lyliawisteria @OchotonidKnight and then of course there are the people that seem a little too enthusiastic about calling people 'degenerates'
(DIR) Post #2179722 by lyliawisteria@enby.club
2018-12-22T02:14:00Z
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@hierarchon @VyrCossont @OchotonidKnight it's not an accident that nazi bolsheviks are a thing.
(DIR) Post #2180523 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T01:54:54Z
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well, maybe everyone didn't take the butch/femme thing all _that_ seriously. this woman sounds badass.trying to do that would give me _personally_ some kind of aesthetic whiplash, because i own, like, two pairs of pants, and trying to go full classic butch would cause a raging case of dysphoria. (but i would have lasted about 45 seconds back then in general. here's hoping the time stream stays stable and i never have to go past the late 80s.)
(DIR) Post #2180524 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:07:02Z
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oh hey you know what else is fun is respectability politics, aka just being a huge fucking snob
(DIR) Post #2180525 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:11:08Z
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i bet these assholes had kids and/or disciples. today, the nicer ones are at the HRC pinkwashing everything. the other ones are screaming "drop the T" at pride parades. at best.
(DIR) Post #2180527 by enginqueer@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:21:27Z
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@VyrCossont no yeah the daughters of bilitis were super transphobic
(DIR) Post #2180528 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:34:02Z
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@enginqueer not surprised.also there's the author to consider. this book contains the word "trans" zero times, "transgender" zero times, and "transsexual" like five, including this wonderful bit in the coda. Lillian Faderman doesn't give a quarter of a fuck about us. if she's not actually a TERF, she's harmfully naive about both trans people and the success of feminism in general.
(DIR) Post #2180529 by enginqueer@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:35:50Z
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@VyrCossont I mean mostly unconcerned is how most secondwavers were. dworkin had to be pressured into mentioning trans women at all and she was mostly like "yeah if they're treated like women they're oppressed the same way I guess"
(DIR) Post #2180530 by hierarchon@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:51:12Z
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@enginqueer @VyrCossont there's a Dworkin quote i can't remember offhand saying that every trans person (*person*, not just women) is entitled to surgery
(DIR) Post #2180646 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:55:27Z
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@hierarchon @enginqueer> Andrea Dworkin, in her 1974 book Woman Hating, stated that "every transsexual has the right to survival on his/her own terms. That means every transsexual is entitled to a sex-change operation, and it should be provided by the community as one of its functions."i didn't expect to ever agree with Dworkin on anything, but she got this right
(DIR) Post #2180715 by hierarchon@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:58:11Z
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@VyrCossont @enginqueer yeah that's the one!
(DIR) Post #2205076 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:15:35Z
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aaaand i think i'm gonna end this lesbian history book recap session with the adventures of The Straight Whisperer! 😂goddesses preserve us from the current iterations of this probably eternal cultural "hero"
(DIR) Post #2205077 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T02:18:37Z
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for those of you just tuning in, this has been Lillian Faderman's "Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers", approximately the 1940s thru 1960s sections https://a.co/aUFdaBagood read, lots of primary sources, i can't remember where i found it, so i'm curious if anyone else has read it and what the other good bits are
(DIR) Post #2205078 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T20:45:55Z
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we now return to "Odd Girls and Twilight Lovers". an awful lot has changed since 1969:
(DIR) Post #2205079 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T21:06:58Z
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unfortunately this brings us to one of the stupidest fucking ideas in feminist history: political lesbianism.ignore the research suggesting that it's no more possible to choose to be gay than to choose to be straight, and make an ideology out of a sexuality. GREAT PLAN.
(DIR) Post #2205080 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T21:16:26Z
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not that it didn't _almost_ make sense in the context of hippie and leftist movements that were pretty much as patriarchal as the mainstream.
(DIR) Post #2205081 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T21:35:49Z
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i'm gonna go back to finding the funny bits, if there even are any past this point. but here's one important lesson from the lesbian separatist nutjobs: marketing matters, and it's easier to sell a simplified reductive idea than a bunch of research and policy changes.of course, that can be used for good: "you can just be a girl" did more for me than decades of queer theory :trans_heart:
(DIR) Post #2205082 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T21:40:39Z
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scene: the 1970s, interior. somewhere a style guide editor has read this and sprayed a Coke all over her typewriter.
(DIR) Post #2205083 by VyrCossont@cybre.space
2018-12-22T21:46:31Z
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splinter magickal research groups continue operating on the Fediverse to this day