Post 2134187 by chupacabra@sunbeam.city
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 (DIR) Post #2134186 by cocoron@sunbeam.city
       2018-12-20T12:22:56Z
       
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       Really love it when people from affluent comfortable suburban backgrounds call themselves "working" class as is trendy now, completely erasing the existence of the poor people, whom they spend most of their time antagonising and insulting
       
 (DIR) Post #2134187 by chupacabra@sunbeam.city
       2018-12-20T13:35:37Z
       
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       @cocoron Applying Marx's description of class wholesale to present day society is problematic imo.Even back in the 1800s, there were a few people who didn't fit the working/ruling divide like the overseers in factories, but today those people have become a class unto themselves. They are technically part of the working class according to Marx in the sense that they have only their labor, to sell but they have been made to share the interest of the ruling class through their access to better living conditions.
       
 (DIR) Post #2134188 by msh@coales.co
       2018-12-20T14:48:26Z
       
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       @chupacabra @cocoron history provides cautionary tales already. For example the Bolshevik occupation of Ukraine, the ensuing expulsion of kulaks and later genocidal starvation of Ukrainians under Stalin.The kulaks were the "upper middle class suburbanites" of their time--well established farmers who owned their own land. However the vast majority were NOT actually "ruling class" but we're demonized for merely owning any land at all.