Post AwAuc54fKFZ4a8Un2m by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AwAuc2Z2er52nTgVTU by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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This is going to be a long rant. So buckle up.MOST (not all) people on the Fedi don't support PeerTube content. They might see a video in their feed, but they aren't going to watch it. And they DEFINITELY aren't browsing anyone's PeerTube instance to find videos to watch.Everyday I see really well made videos get 14 views after a week. Even if I go to one of the more popular instances I see videos that have been up for 6 months with only 400 views. And yeah, that seems like a lot.P.1
(DIR) Post #AwAuc34Ems2AMEHQ6C by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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Until you realize that there are around 2 million active users on the Fedi. That means even IF a video gets 6000 views. That's still only 0.3%.And yes, of course that person didn't get their video out in front of 2 million users. They probably only got it out to a few hundred who shared it, but that's not the point. Even if that video was shared 40,000 times, that's only 2 percent of the Fedi. The point is that the majority of the people on the Fedi don't use PeerTube.P2.
(DIR) Post #AwAuc3PVVn31QCEPFg by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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Now, I know a lot of you are gonna cry "It's because there's no good content!". Which is fine, you're can have that opinion.You'd just be wrong.There's plenty of good content. There's also a lot of content that's just, average. Made by everyday people with a cell phone, trying to find others who are similarly interested. Those videos may not be high quality, but there is intention and effort being put into them.And do you want to guess what motivates them? Views.P3.
(DIR) Post #AwAuc3vPbAZJ199syu by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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Views.Feedback.Likes.These are the three things that help to motivate people to make better content. But since peoples standards are so high, there's no motivation to do more.So you want better content, but you aren't willing to encourage the people making the content, to make more and to improve?Got it.But, that's not the only problem that I see...P4.
(DIR) Post #AwAuc4ISDV04AbwHtg by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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Another reason videos don't get seen more is that people don't share them or at least if they do, a large percentage of those that share, don't actually watch it themselves.I get that they're trying to help, and that's great. The more help the better. I'm not knocking them. I'm just saying that even people who boost the content can't get people to watch.Regardless, the people that do boost, are rare. I see a dozen or more new videos being made every day. You know where I never see them?P.5
(DIR) Post #AwAuc4diwQ0vEZtH3A by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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Here on Mastodon. I rarely see PeerTube videos being boosted. @FediVideo suggest great videos almost everyday, with hardly 30 boosts. That's with over 8k followers. 30.And all of this for me leads to only one conclusion. That people on the Fedi for the most part, do not care about PeerTube.Maybe I'm wrong. But after having helped moderate a PeerTube instance and just looking at the numbers, it's hard for me to see where my thinking is mislead.P.6
(DIR) Post #AwAuc54fKFZ4a8Un2m by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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I think people like the idea of PeerTube, and time has shown that they are willing to do so with their hard earned $$$, but when it comes down to it, they don't actually care about the videos themselves. If they did, there would be more views on peoples videos and I'd see them shared more often.PeerTube has some great content on it if you take the time to look.(end of rant)
(DIR) Post #AwAuc5TpofhJqCGtH6 by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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Oh and none of this has anything to do with my own low view videos. I'm not that self absorbed. This is about everyone. I believe in the Fedi and I believe in PeerTube. I just don't understand why people aren't willing to watch or boost?And of course, if you do watch and boost, thank you. I just wish more people did.
(DIR) Post #AwAuc5seKPXz59shxA by hosford42@techhub.social
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@Mrfunkedude There are two issues I see: ignorance, and usability.I know next to nothing about peertube, and no one ever mentions it (present company excluded) so there have been limited learning opportunities. I wouldn't know the first thing about how to even go about finding, watching, or uploading a video. The links also need to become familiar to people before they will feel comfortable following them.And that leads to the 2nd problem, usability. I access Mastodon entirely through a 3rd party app (Tusky) and all I get is a blue link, with no preview or anything. Not having a preview is really going to hamper user interest. What am I going to be watching? Is there a description of the video or a snapshot? I get neither, unless the user who linked to it types it out. This isn't really a problem that can be solved from peertube's side, I don't think. But maybe descriptive links might help.And how the heck does someone add a video?
(DIR) Post #AwAuc8lfaokM2NdfzU by hosford42@techhub.social
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@Mrfunkedude Also, what about search? Is that supported?
(DIR) Post #AwAzPbySC2TqcoSnwm by hosford42@techhub.social
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@TerryHancock @Mrfunkedude Thanks for the detailed info! Hopefully others will see it too. It would be cool if there was a place where this sort of stuff was documented
(DIR) Post #AwAzma1Xbt49EkrNSa by elsantonegro@masto.ai
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@Mrfunkedude I've always been confused about #Peertube. Is it peer to peer sharing? Or just a federated video service?
(DIR) Post #AwBhLBackAGRcW18j2 by FediVideo@social.growyourown.services
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@Mrfunkedude I think it's to do with what an account's followers are interested in?For example if I boost about retro computing, only a fraction of my followers are interested in that so only a fraction of them boost it. Then if I post about gardening a different fraction might be interested in that.By posting playlists on different topics, hopefully I'm providing something for everyone who follows me 🤞
(DIR) Post #AwBi7MiifCYy2bmHXk by dancingtreefrog@mastodon.social
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@MrfunkedudeOr maybe some people on the Fedi prefer to read text rather than watch videos? I know I do.Also, I'm don't boost videos (or links) sight unseen. With the flood of AI trash out there, a video/link could be anything.This applies to YT, too, so it's not a bias against Peertube.@FediVideo
(DIR) Post #AwBi7NRNz8IAH8fxAG by FediVideo@social.growyourown.services
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@dancingtreefrog @Mrfunkedude For what it's worth, I only boost high quality videos, I block anyone producing AI-generated stuff.The website at https://fedi.video is meant to highlight good videos on PeerTube, all the accounts are manually picked.
(DIR) Post #AwBr9HIog1t9P9eHJo by panigrc@mastodon.social
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@Mrfunkedude as others said it's both.The real power of #peertube will shine as more people will use it.There is one problem of peertube at the moment. As you mentioned great videos exist with almost no views. I'm thinking about forking and refactoring #SepiaSearch to build a centralized frontend for peertube so that videos become more discoverable.
(DIR) Post #AwBr9HpQilyb2IuK9Y by Chocobozzz@framapiaf.org
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@panigrc @Mrfunkedude Hi, what would you imagine for sepiasearch frontend?
(DIR) Post #AwC4Pp3uE65494tTNI by panigrc@mastodon.social
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@Chocobozzz @Mrfunkedude Something like that (see attached photo)As far as I've researched #Meilisearch is capable of delivering the content that already #SepiaSearch indexes.Each video will open in its original instance i.e. new tab.Bonus features:- "Subscribe" to channels by just storing them in localStorage and influence the Meilisearch ranking- Related videos (unfortunately requires OpenAI API key) API that can be also embedded to the #peertube instances
(DIR) Post #AwCAZ3tZ2tV4TsqTOS by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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@FediVideo I'm sure that's part of it, and that's understandable. I wouldn't want people watching my video if they aren't interested.However I find it hard to believe that out of the 2 million active users on the Fedi that only 5 people are interested in a 3 min video essay about how the consumption of food and social media are similar? (and no this isn't me complaining)I bet there are probably hundreds of people interested but the problem is no one shares. Not even the people who like it.
(DIR) Post #AwCIg0VIqtUDciJuMa by FediVideo@social.growyourown.services
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@Mrfunkedude Yeah, I think a lot of it is getting people aware of PeerTube. Guessing most people don't even realise there is this video network connected to the Fedi, because it's such an unusual concept for new people to see one social network with many types of server.Am trying my best to make people aware of it 😅
(DIR) Post #AwCIvlUiQOX5hoYjaa by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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@FediVideo You're doing a great job! Keep up the work!
(DIR) Post #AwCk09oCfEkh2Hze76 by HuguesRoss@mastodon.art
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@Mrfunkedude I think the issue is that quality isn't consistent across all topics. I've seen tons of high-quality PeerTube videos about stuff I just don't care about (your videos are a good example--well-made, oft-recommended, but not my thing), but most times that I've looked over the years I can't find decent videos about the stuff I'm personally interested in.Then I finally stumble on a channel that hits the right spot, only to discover that they stopped posting years ago.
(DIR) Post #AwCk0AJ2oZQEZwQHBY by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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@HuguesRoss I think the problem is the expectation of the viewer.No one expected the videos coming out of YouTube when it first came out to be high polished videos. We had fun watching people make videos on their crappy phones or digital cameras.But now people seem to be jaded by today's YT experience when it comes to PeerTube. It's like they expect banger after banger from a pirate radio station after listening to satellite radio. Of course they are going to be disappointed.
(DIR) Post #AwCk0Aq0pznGEBqbZY by deadtom@dice.camp
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@Mrfunkedude @HuguesRoss To be fair, usually, when people say "quality" what they're actually referring to is "production value", and those are absolutely not the same thing. There is lots of good-quality video on Peertube that is produced with bad sound and lighting, and zero post-production. The content is educational and entertaining, it just looks like it was done in someone's garage and lit with a desk lamp, because it probably was.1/2
(DIR) Post #AwCk0BI19sC9d2wyDw by deadtom@dice.camp
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@Mrfunkedude @HuguesRoss If you want an excellent example of a great movie with crap production value and lack luster acting, look no further than "The Gamers, Dorkness Rising". It's damn near legendary in the RPG world, but it looks like it was filmed in somebody's livingroom and backyard, because it was."Hide behind the mound of dead bards" is probably one of my favorite movie lines ever.2/2
(DIR) Post #AwCk0BqP61hVLh2Qoy by deadtom@dice.camp
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@Mrfunkedude @HuguesRoss Point being, the bar for "good content" has been set way too high by corporations that are in it not for the actual content, but for the money they can get by exploiting the people making it.Peertube, on the other hand, is about the content.
(DIR) Post #AwCk0CD5jfqgU3eYBU by Mrfunkedude@mastodon.social
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@deadtom @HuguesRoss THIS. EXACTLY.PeerTube is NOT trying to be YouTube, but people treat it like it is.YT creators will tailor the length and subjects of their videos according to the trends of the algorithm. In other words they fit their content into a YT sized hole.PT creators just make video according to their own whims or because they are earnestly trying to create a dialogue between themselves and the audience. Unsullied by the pull of money.They are not the same.