Post BAeu2Xtl3FoYXC0l4i by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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(DIR) Post #BAeu2Xtl3FoYXC0l4i by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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would you consider disclosure of somebody else's conflict of interest (e.g. they work for a company owned by an AI datacenter company and they are pushing a pro-AI policy, their employment status knowable by anyone willing to spend 3 minutes on LinkedIn) to be "doxxing"?
(DIR) Post #BAeuGv1hrGaaJraBfM by Brett_E_Carlock@mastodon.online
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@ariadneVoted no, but that is provisional upon them using their real name in all places involved, and no location aside from job is exposed.
(DIR) Post #BAeuWC5KiXBHZLYxIO by brunomiguel@masto.pt
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@ariadne if it's public information, I don't believe it is doxxing.
(DIR) Post #BAeuZb2oNLXJqd0Q9w by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@brunomiguel it is.
(DIR) Post #BAeumHA5bsNxwoSKcy by brunomiguel@masto.pt
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@ariadne I was under the impression that, even in the US, it wasn't doxxing if the disclosed information is public.
(DIR) Post #BAeuy9nun7YobSkWsy by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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my choice to describe that conflict of interest was described as doxxing by someone advocating for a pro-AI policy 🙃to the point that he made sure to call it out in his response to the questionnairebut this seems like bullshit because if he genuinely believes it is doxxing -- why not request a code of conduct investigation?and this bullshit is why I think this year's alpineconf will be a bookend for me.
(DIR) Post #BAevWytZLFvIuD01wW by vksxypants@mastodon.social
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@ariadne not doxxing but i would be pretty pissed off if that happened to me so I wouldn't do that.
(DIR) Post #BAevdAvzUg1hyv5O1w by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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even if the reflex was "protect the founder", then i submit that actually founders should be held to a higher degree of accountability *given* the weight they carry
(DIR) Post #BAevlpdo1zYYY1hwjw by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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and I say the above as a founder of projects, organizations and even corporations!
(DIR) Post #BAevuLtK0dhCt31nEG by elrohir@mastodon.gal
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@ariadne how do I put this... The IRL name is exactly reserved for work and work related issues. The whole point of the nickname is that you do not own your own IRL name for *personal* conversations on the Internet. Because every time you discussed overwatch porn or whatever it would be seen by your employer and your son's university admissions board. So no, you don't get to be anonymous when in the body of governance of a large nonprofit.
(DIR) Post #BAew1rh2AYkvXsrYm0 by syn_rst@norden.social
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@ariadneThey do know full well what they're doing there.And they want to hide it. Otherwise they'd publicly announce their conflict of interest.Which makes it so much more important to make the conflict of interest known.Actually, for me it's a conflict of interest to have to decide between protecting a person and making their conflict of interest known [at least to those who should know about it]… 😉
(DIR) Post #BAexm7CcwAaOvGG3Em by mensrea@freeradical.zone
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@ariadne there's no expectation of privacy for information they have knowingly and willingly posted in a public forum
(DIR) Post #BAf0hJuKZaaijz6a1o by jonoleth@mastodon.social
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@ariadne ... if you're using your real, legal name in public, the concept of doxxing doesn't even apply, wtf. Like accusing someone of tax evasion when they spill coke on your couch
(DIR) Post #BAf0yS0PiYTkmO7Qx6 by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@jenniferplusplus precisely!
(DIR) Post #BAf1VmND0oIHVMfoJc by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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anyway, here are the results from the questionnaire: https://gitlab.alpinelinux.org/alpine/council/-/blob/master/minutes/2026-08-09-ai-developer-poll.mda large question I have: the report was authored on 2026-08-09, but was just published yesterday. why did it take so long? why did I have to ask about the report in order for it to be published?my guess is that alpine will allow AI, despite the position that it should be banned being strongest (but not strong enough to meet a plurality).same outcome as Debian, basically.
(DIR) Post #BAf1dzANKdT1UxaFTk by dysfun@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne no mandatory declaration even? ffs, how many of these people do you still consider friends?
(DIR) Post #BAf2HQWDZQiPcjbiTY by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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frustratingly, only 13 out of 29 eligible to answer the questionnaire botheredimagine if we had more participation in the questionnaire, how the results might be different.
(DIR) Post #BAf2KPjOxEBW3CCMD2 by dysfun@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne you're less used to being abused by the projects you've put your effort into, aren't you?
(DIR) Post #BAf2t8EfzhslvNNijI by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@dysfun I mean, Alpine is a parliamentary democracy basically. so 56% not participating is x_x
(DIR) Post #BAf2wFNBukN2vfqkIS by dysfun@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne yes that always does great things in politics.
(DIR) Post #BAf3EC254ZoFmVX6Po by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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again I want to reiterate -- the global economy depends on a distro where 56% did not elect to participate in the questionnaire concerning the largest economic issue of our time
(DIR) Post #BAf3Rlvoud6Ssv4zYW by YKantRachelRead@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne lmao. no. disclosing someone's conflict of interest isn't anywhere close to what doxxing actually is (posting their full name, phone number, and/or home address publicly). words mean things.
(DIR) Post #BAf4P6lP6RliZzV7aq by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne The only reason why I did not participate was that I couldn't, because I do not have merge access.Do I regret not pushing more to get merge access? Yes, I do. In retrospect, I think "they're already annoyed with me, I don't want to be pushy" was the incorrect approach, and I shouldn't have been scared to appear pushy.
(DIR) Post #BAf4mtdFZqfKnq1wAK by voltagex@aus.social
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@ariadne what can be done?
(DIR) Post #BAf5F3dHzM8hvZTcdE by m@martinh.net
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@ariadne Now picturing... Pineal (or perhaps Nepali?), an AI-free, security-oriented, lightweight Linux distribution based on musl libc and busybox :breadthink:
(DIR) Post #BAf6kSmkcbcQrtRRs8 by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@voltagex @aeva forking means forking the technical debt, I don't think that is worthwhile
(DIR) Post #BAf6zS8rIQIZDTvioC by voltagex@aus.social
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@ariadne @aeva plus, who has energy, or money for RAM and storage?
(DIR) Post #BAfEzAczDE0EWyOkiW by astareth@mas.to
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@ariadne doxxing means publicly linking different identities as a single physical person. If the AI job identity is the same as the one promoting AI, then doxxing simply isn't relevant. Now when people don't know what to say they usually tend to generate tokens in a higher temperature fashion, outputting mostly noise to "have the last word"
(DIR) Post #BAfGHjNmpimnUIhe0O by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@aelspire no. it ain't over til it's over. not looking good though...
(DIR) Post #BAfGtQYDIWjO5OYTDM by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@dysfun yes, I have expectations that mayhaps be unrealistic
(DIR) Post #BAfK8hvPHd5SB2NhNw by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@c0dec0dec0de are you advocating for allowing undisclosed AI use while working for an AI company?
(DIR) Post #BAfKqWLtfi4n1hfCka by fazalmajid@vivaldi.net
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@ariadne how would a no-AI policy cope with the fact upstream Linux is accepting, nay, encouraging AI submissions, short of switching to a BSD kernel?
(DIR) Post #BAfLXwmDImfNQsgEVs by xsk@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne the fact there is even a yes % is most likely a misunderstanding. The reason all companies have processes that mandate disclosure of conflicts of interest and require this conflict is sufficiently mitigated is because it is a mechanism that protects the group from foreign interference and interests. If you don’t disclose that then you made a choice to support the unmanaged conflict, the mature thing is to evaluate formally.If someone is against that they are free to stop interacting and leave as they clearly do not want to deal with this process, and this is a binary decision. The arguments come after the conflict is established and are going to be on the how to deal with the conflict effects.
(DIR) Post #BAfQz6tmHBVYPmzRVQ by mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne, honestly, I keep wondering if Gentoo would be where it is now if we made it a popular vote rather than Council vote.
(DIR) Post #BAflt2KSS2dBXgPlYG by sertonix@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne> my guess is that alpine will allow AI, despite the position that it should be banned being strongest (but not strong enough to meet a plurality).Which method of measuring is this using?
(DIR) Post #BAfnhdgpuzWHqfZi8e by Tock@corteximplant.com
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@ariadne Name, employer, job status isn't doxxing. My info is searchable as a former public schools and college employee for 16 years, since federal transparency laws made that info a part of public domain.My home address and contact info past city and state? Yeah, that would be doxxing since that isn't searchable, but it didn't sound like you did that.
(DIR) Post #BAfphtoKBJ5jkqKTOS by JMMaok@mastodon.online
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@ariadne Would love to see way more projects add mandatory CoI disclosures to Codes of Conduct. This stealth marketing has been pervasive and harmful to communities. And not just that they work for such and such a company, but any measures the company is using to incentivize it, like counting it as a plus for performance evaluation, counting it toward minimum token quotas if those are still a thing, etc.
(DIR) Post #BAgIAHPAqhmlkvt1bk by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@sertonix when measured directly, it ranked first behind abstain. support for some form of ban (4+2+1) outranks abstain (6) which won. but because ban was split across 3 options, it failed to achieve a plurality.
(DIR) Post #BAgJkZS3KX2K6a6N9c by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@sertonix @erincandescent the conditional response was effectively a ban.
(DIR) Post #BAgKMqnjGzN2uzUgtc by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@sertonix @erincandescent the questionnaire was not a ballot, eligible developers were asked to respond with prose.however I am certainly qualified to know what conditional means here, as I am the one who responded for a conditional ban, specifically proposing banning the use of commercial models for sovereignty reasons.the risk in my opinion is that the commercial models can be taken away at any time, thus encouraging compliance with the whims of the oligarchy which subsidizes access to them.
(DIR) Post #BAgLRWN4l4OuxSomIK by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@sertonix @erincandescent it is a ban on the thing I care most about in particular: the ability of the commercial vendors to exert pressure on the project.I do not think there are many applications for LLM technology in alpine that are not handled better by some sort of deterministic automation.