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(DIR) Post #BAJ0HPo671hp8obXwu by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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maybe i should build something like omarchy that isn't, you know, omarchy
(DIR) Post #BAJ0N90nT9nan0HCWu by cadey@pony.social
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@ariadne 80% branding 20% effort is all you need tbh
(DIR) Post #BAJ0OqGi7xuxElWtPc by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@cadey yeah, it is basically about aesthetics, and i think i have good taste in hacker aesthetics
(DIR) Post #BAJ0WXAr0JeqKjSS0W by cadey@pony.social
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@ariadne if i had the time i'd be more than willing to help, but i don't so i can't ^^
(DIR) Post #BAJ0Z50iAjQRr1va8O by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@dysfun yes, one that is turnkey and has a hacker-oriented aesthetic
(DIR) Post #BAJ0gZT7KNqeLUmopU by bremner@mathstodon.xyz
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@ariadne @dysfun AntiFa Linux
(DIR) Post #BAJ0iyyTT8Sq1tbStM by dcbaok@fosstodon.org
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@ariadne @dysfun turnkey, hacker aesthetic, and runs on macbook
(DIR) Post #BAJ0rEHGSM7bo9KBcm by wrl@mastodon.social
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@ariadne i'm in support of that but i worry that the whole point of omarchy is the vibecoding. "agentic desktop os" etc
(DIR) Post #BAJ4T76vqkhiRoFRBY by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@moses_izumi i'm still ruminating on whether alpine is a stable base to use for this
(DIR) Post #BAJ5dRMZVVWq6o3F68 by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@moses_izumi governance. if I am building a derivative then I need my upstream to remain steady.
(DIR) Post #BAJ8eku6djaurk3V9k by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne @cadey the only point of omarchy is getting the funding, and while you would be getting some funding (mostly from workers interested in actual substance, and we're not rich), you just wouldn't get the big bucks because you're not a Nazi.
(DIR) Post #BAJ8rAMjncQJJEMj32 by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@ska @cadey no, omarchy is many things, and it needs to be pushed back upon on all fronts. i don't care about the money, i have a day job.
(DIR) Post #BAJ90SCMroNTDrwZqy by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne @cadey what is it besides a cash grab? The thing obviously isn't going to be viable. What technical need is it going to fulfill?
(DIR) Post #BAJAYK1vqJqngmmAoy by dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne the parable of omarchy is that the little voice of self-doubt in your head is wrong, you are good enough (where we define good enough as "certainly better than this shit")
(DIR) Post #BAJAq4ffgbEtGZpRTs by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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a lot of people do not understand what omarchy actually *is* and why it is making progress where traditional distributions have failed.they focus on the fact that omarchy *is* a vanity distro, that it is basically a collection of configuration files and some shell scripts gluing them together.and omarchy is that.but omarchy is also marketing and devrel, and a consolidation of the linux experience into a product format.in fact, that is most of what omarchy actually *is*.building a technical community that understands & executes on these things would be the goal of what i propose building
(DIR) Post #BAJB5xCfDeJ0jqpgWG by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne A consolidation of the linux experience... to what audience?I have no interest in pleasing the audience Omarchy is appealing to.I might have an interest in pleasing the audience your competing product would appeal to, depending on what it is.
(DIR) Post #BAJBCvJgdGbsujRORU by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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in essence omarchy is a mechanism to take linux and turn it into a product, in the same way that macOS takes darwin and turns it into a product.traditional linux distributions, by comparison, aren't defined products, they are work output from technical communities, and the design of them is approached from that philosophy.
(DIR) Post #BAJBGyATyLO4us45RY by dvshkn@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne I suspect the devrel part is why dell is so interested. They know that no matter how good their hardware is they can't compete with apple for developers as long as their machines are windows-centric.
(DIR) Post #BAJBMoM1NBiADUFPge by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@ska we should want to, because many of the users of omarchy are most likely not fascists, but just want to think of linux as a product, in the same way they think of macOS and Windows as products.
(DIR) Post #BAJBPgBuBDNrlesqdE by scien@social.linux.pizza
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@ariadne i've been considering the same for a long time. I went so far as to set out goals for myself, but I've quickly realized that I dont (nor do most people) have capacity for such an endeavor *on their own*.Definitely the hard part of organizing such a thing is the key consideration.If you want help coordinating that, hmu :)I've got thoughts. (Mostly I think that nix/guix, a functional approach to software & package management is the correct path forward for maintainability and customization purposes)
(DIR) Post #BAJBVxqnR2EKH80UsK by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@scien your thoughts are basically the opposite direction of what a productized form of linux should look like.for example, there should not be 'package management'. (there should, but it should not be a focus *at all*)we are designing for people who want to use their computer, not customize their computers.
(DIR) Post #BAJBk7qp3BwXLSluoS by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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somebody has already suggested that we should build this on Nix or whatever.and like, you're just not getting the point.the package management? flatpak.
(DIR) Post #BAJBq3Ex6eJGmZsrsO by scien@social.linux.pizza
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@ariadne it's mostly about the labor of the team, is the reason I'm pushing it forward. There's nothing antithetical about functional packagement management to consumer usage.See experiments such as "snowflakeOS" that place its design behind a gui interface: https://snowflakeos.org/Also see: my subsequent comment about drivers
(DIR) Post #BAJBtKlEQBkVzTY0sC by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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managing software needs to be obvious. package managers ain't it.on mac, you install apps from either the app store or by dragging them to the applications folder.
(DIR) Post #BAJCHQz2w8VaExV8pE by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@Sobex @danirabbit yes, elementaryOS is an example of a productized linuxand it is a good examplebut i would not say that it reflects the lesson omarchy is teaching us
(DIR) Post #BAJCPPaM1FsSDikuYq by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne so like, flatpak already has a distribution: flathub
(DIR) Post #BAJCW71JRV1kfVYnhI by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@whitequark correct.
(DIR) Post #BAJCeA2I77J6L2r808 by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne what do you want to do different? (one thing I notice is that FlatHub isn't exactly a product, either)
(DIR) Post #BAJCh7aff8XjcfLfUm by PuercoPop@mastodon.social
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@ariadne @ska They most likely are installing it because the YouTubers they watch have done "publicherries" (ads disguised as reviews) of Omarchy. It also appeals to 'for power users' with a gazillion different hotkeys. That is not Linux as a product imho. Not sure if they have more users than Arch for example.
(DIR) Post #BAJClGCRayrvTwzRui by gsuberland@chaos.social
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@ariadne as long as it doesn't have sev0 blockers like the apple app store does. i've never been able to use it on my work macbook because it asks me to verify my details, asks for an address, then rejects the address because it's missing a field that isn't even on the form. it's been over a year and it's still broken.
(DIR) Post #BAJCoIn8PpvMOBbPCi by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@Sobex @danirabbit to understand the lesson, you must look at what omarchy actually *is*which on a technical level, is not muchyou are focusing on technical details when the focus of omarchy is *marketing*
(DIR) Post #BAJCtaXtpid4tuzrzk by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@whitequark nothing. there is nothing wrong with flathub.what i am proposing is building just enough of a distribution to boot a shell, and then have the real apps come from flathub.
(DIR) Post #BAJCwKJadSC5QlbqIC by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@PuercoPop @ska maybe you should spend some time asking these people why they installed it then.
(DIR) Post #BAJD2fqpTfIPxfBRAG by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@siwek yes, hence "the package management? flatpak"
(DIR) Post #BAJDAfXqV2pFKQ7HRA by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@siwek @Sobex @danirabbit yes, hence my description of it as marketing
(DIR) Post #BAJDDl7EFDcLTT8jbc by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@PuercoPop @ska that requires functioning governance in alpine to deliver with any level of confidence. it probably won't be alpine at this point.
(DIR) Post #BAJDZFexsS3QHpAU7M by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne oh, that makes a lot of sense. I'm for it, though it's not obvious how to generate enough mindshare with this plan
(DIR) Post #BAJDfKfMB1NHYDFcZM by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@whitequark that's where I come in, specifically. i might not be DHH, but i have enough clout to pull this off.
(DIR) Post #BAJEJEOutEEPheaQQC by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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@ariadne nice
(DIR) Post #BAJEZ2ORIm9H5xtsjg by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@noel @whitequark no, silverblue is a project to produce a linux distribution.omarchy is a *product*, not a *distro*.
(DIR) Post #BAJEdTSAdPX8BAlFEO by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@noel @whitequark or to put it in linux terms, you're thinking distros, i'm thinking SteamOS.
(DIR) Post #BAJEuL5eyv2fAGH2Mi by danirabbit@mastodon.online
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@ariadne @Sobex I’d say we’re kind of doing the opposite of Omarchy in that we do a lot of things that are not traditionally Linux-y and the prospect we’re selling isn’t, “be a leet haxor and rice your desktop”, but rather “Spend less time thinking about computer and more time doing interesting things”. The OS in elementary OS is not the product. The idea of not worrying about the OS is the product
(DIR) Post #BAJFAMwpqIbHYjn1c0 by danirabbit@mastodon.online
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@ariadne @Sobex which I think sometimes really disappoints that set of people who expect productized Linux. They wanted to feel like a leet haxor and use Terminal and tweak and customize things and that’s not at all what I’m selling
(DIR) Post #BAJFAN8X8nxS91GMqW by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@danirabbit @Sobex yes, precisely. i think the aesthetic is an important element in the product design for *that* audience.
(DIR) Post #BAJFGFrp58T3KtFfyS by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@LunaDragofelis mint is nothing like what i am thinking about building
(DIR) Post #BAJFLTQk57Jwqj4ckK by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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this thread is not an invite to tell me about your favorite linux distro and why you think it defeats my thesis.it doesn't.and certainly omarchy doesn't meet the thesis.
(DIR) Post #BAJFPgSXa8qCPsvFHk by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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omarchy is basically the grifter aliexpress version of the thesis
(DIR) Post #BAJFSD6JC1LOEOjCvg by RotHorseKid@mastodon.social
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@ariadne if you do, count me in. i have absolute orthography in 2 languages, i can code, i'll do everything to show the fasc pos that there's more of us.
(DIR) Post #BAJFUgmnnJFEsUmnuC by toots@fairy.id
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@ariadne tali express x.x
(DIR) Post #BAJFg8ckdN4gOvXnoO by danirabbit@mastodon.online
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@ariadne @Sobex totally. That like vapor wave, bit fonts, etc aesthetic is very “Nintendo power glove” and I feel like the messaging hits on the white male youth anger at a world that isn’t as compliant with their supposed supremacy. Don’t be sad little white boy, you can “be somebody” from the comfort of your basement. Play with digital slaves. Embrace oligarchy. You’re the master in our vision of the world
(DIR) Post #BAJFj9TfutvVuvjh7w by epithumia@mstdn.social
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@ariadne Or homebrew for all the non gui (and even some) apps.
(DIR) Post #BAJFoCSQGVu6bgYc88 by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@LunaDragofelis what i am proposing is building just enough of a distro to bootstrap access to flathub
(DIR) Post #BAJGJsSg935DrDmYCW by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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given this, such a distribution should be focused on three major things1. a cohesive design aesthetic2. providing just enough substrate to boot flatpak apps3. integrating servo into the desktop environment for "web apps"
(DIR) Post #BAJGOD5FPlAwyRt8We by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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in the most extreme interpretation, the desktop *itself* is a flatpak appbut i am not actually sure if that is possible atm
(DIR) Post #BAJGqormX4U4GPEQpU by cocaine_owlbear@retro.pizza
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@ariadne I support this idea 100% as long as it doesn't use Hyprland. Niri might be good.
(DIR) Post #BAJHE42aHULFzCMuEC by fancysandwiches@neuromatch.social
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@ariadne I like 3 a lot
(DIR) Post #BAJHkcK4MBO9Zo4MeO by chrisvest@mastodon.social
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@ariadne so it’s like a poorly made elementaryOS for white supremacists?
(DIR) Post #BAJHy7h3266GdSG2Ai by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@chrisvest basically
(DIR) Post #BAJJ3d8jdttvZEOjqq by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@danirabbit @Sobex yeah, basically, to me the challenge is to figure out how to make people feel empowered without the fascism
(DIR) Post #BAJJTV3YJspA1eJFSq by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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@mkljczk yes it is the grifter version
(DIR) Post #BAJJXTUg4SgsL0tNtg by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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anyway i am muting this thread, i'll update folks on whether i decide to move forward on this after alpineconf
(DIR) Post #BAJJaVyzH2dqvSWFF2 by lhp@mastodon.social
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@ariadne very early in waylands development there was the idea of a "system compositor". Something like that could absolutely allow a desktops display server to run in user space without privileged API access. Wlroots already supports rendering to a window. Mutter does too, but I am not sure that still works if you load the entirey of gnome shell.
(DIR) Post #BAJJoKCNsnyiQtN1xw by toots@fairy.id
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@ariadne 🙏 sensei
(DIR) Post #BAJJpTXQe1zzgilL7o by drq@mastodon.ml
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@ariadne @elementary exists, it just isn't hyped enough.
(DIR) Post #BAJJwcUDm1ejT3fX84 by Zenie@piaille.fr
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@ariadne I've thought about making an arch distro. I've made my own meta packages in the past. It's dead simple.In a way I made my own distro.
(DIR) Post #BAJKiMG3Pj6V2Ho0zw by AdrianVovk@fosstodon.org
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@ariadne This is pretty much exactly the goal of end-user GNOME OShttps://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2024/10/25/a-desktop-for-all/
(DIR) Post #BAJKpeluyhA8U0BqPw by suriele@eldritch.cafe
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@ariadne I'd be interested in helping out in this and will keep an eye out for future posts 👀
(DIR) Post #BAJMKHSfnN9t7OM4FU by danirabbit@mastodon.online
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@ariadne for me the solution there is focusing on inclusive design. It completely solved my whole perspective on when and how to implement settings and what features matter to put it in a framework of how we can make the experience more inclusive
(DIR) Post #BAJrj4Yk01QyvCUjho by iaintshootinmis@digitaldarkage.cc
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@ariadne @whitequark I had a thread going about this and I want to offer the observation that omarchy is also the antithesis of fediverse. The shortcuts all focus on X, AI companies, WhatsApp, etc..closed source, walled fashy gardens.I want shortcuts for Signal, Local Send, irc, Mastodon, Loops, Lemmy, tor, torrent, and on and on. If we have to include AI, setup openwebui/openterminal locally or something.
(DIR) Post #BAKG7k3zjmq9UhPSXg by jaj@mastodon.social
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@ariadne I get your point for Gentoo. But Ubuntu, Red Hat, and others they've been building products for years
(DIR) Post #BAKdd2CWeNF1faI3qC by fazalmajid@vivaldi.net
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@ariadne Omarchy also has a strong AI angle. Peiter Steinberger, the author of OpenClaw, is one of the founders (I guess OpenAI must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse if he can afford to contribute $1M or more). I suspect they are aiming to be "the Linux for AI".