Post BA2jlYMeJrcPGfGbfk by moody@hj.9fs.net
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 (DIR) Post #BA2jlYMeJrcPGfGbfk by moody@hj.9fs.net
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       @chansecodina@sunny.garden I don't think you have to say anything to be clear, no one does in my book. All I ask is for folks to be aware of it. I still see a lot of folks talking about linux like its still how it was 15-20 years ago and now that Linux is more accessible than ever (in part to such companies) I think newcomers are getting the wrong idea. I guess what I am advocating for is for communities that were/are built on the ideals that brought them to Linux to continue on to something better. Maybe that means un-fucking userspace, maybe that means a new kernel, maybe that means forking. I don't know what the answer is. I just work on what I think the solution is.I'm just tired of the user community continuing to use the hippie marketing and continuing to think the GPL actually worked. I don't think its wrong to say "switching to linux from windows is better" but I think the buck stops there.I know its sad, and I am being a bit flippant, it just feels like the writing had been on the wall for a while.
       
 (DIR) Post #BA2pvdCRnO2ysxgS80 by moody@hj.9fs.net
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       And since we're laying our cards on the table, I'm personally tired of people working on niche projects acting like their project is going to be some kind of replacement for Linux while still getting to be an exclusive club for the coolest kids on the block.Fair play and point taken. I agree, and I recognize how crazy it is that I can grab nearly any computer, boot linux on it and mostly expect a working system now. I haven't been around super long but I did get to experience the before times of looking up supported chips and hardware.I think an ideal world, a group that went through the dark times of reverse engineering wifi chipsets and doing things the hard ways, would stand on their own ground and refuse to merge support for chipsets that are openly hostile to others doing the same once they had an upper hand. I understand their reasoning, upstream support results in a better experience for end users, an out of tree module or a forked kernel for a specific chip sucks. Its one thing to say "well if someone brings in a patch for this oddware buggy crap then maybe" and then another if someone calls your bluff and actually does that (corporate or not).Maybe in that ideal world this pushback and refusal would nudge users in the right direction, I think we did see a bit of this. People buy AMD cards for linux, the dd-wrt open router list nudged folks, same with wifi chips. The problem is just that finding out after you have the hardware in hand sucks, but if nothing changes I can only see the same steps being recreated.
       
 (DIR) Post #BA2stJrf0pZ2CYYAPw by ori@hj.9fs.net
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       The Internet is corporation heavy, and so is a lot of what people want from computers. I think by definition, not going corporate (without reshaping society) means being at least somewhat on the sidelines.I'm fine with being on the sidelines. The fight right now is convincing people that it's worth leaving room in the margins for the people that don't want the corporate boot kicking their ass.CC: @moody@hj.9fs.net