Post B9hzgyHRgflaW21TCC by grips@cawfee.club
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 (DIR) Post #B9hxggURdDOVQoq2b2 by grips@cawfee.club
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       retarded question but please hear me out. suppose you're some prehistoric tribesman somewhere on the level of "not dumb as bricks" already, and capable of counting - how exactly would you conclude that a year has 365 days? if you don't have even rudimentary writing yet, as many cultures didn't, you won't have any longer-term day-by-day chronicles either - so you'll have to wing it somehow. or is there a clear yearly phenomenon to observe? (solstices are not a clear phenomenon, I can't imagine someone being able to tell "yup. this is the longest day". it too requires record keeping)or is the moon just enough here?
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hxkjWaI7FI08lnHM by grips@cawfee.club
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       I was tempted to ask AI but that would just feel sad, and I'm interested in your theories
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hyVzXGa2kJGjci80 by meowski@fluf.club
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       @grips you would discover using a device like a sun dial that casts a shadow from the sun, that the shadow ends up in approximately the same position every 365 days.  then over time you'd see that it's not exactly 365 days and go on from there
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hyYSAX5qTGeXADR2 by CZB@eientei.org
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       @grips I think watching which constellation the full moon rise was in got them close enough for their purposes.  As for counting 365 days, they could probably still use tally marks or put like pebbles in a jar till the shadow of sunrise was the same without having "numbers"
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hzZeKbSWX8cM0a5Q by grips@cawfee.club
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       @lebronjames75 I assumed as much, you can probably wing the seasons pretty well. just wondering how one would reach the 365 number. however,>i cannot imagine a necessity of year-day counting occurring before writing, with writing causing necessity of counting year days :apunotes::apunotes::apunotes:
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hzgyHRgflaW21TCC by grips@cawfee.club
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       @hj @lebronjames75 hm, and "thirteen moons" is pretty close indeed :naruhodo:
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hzkn3pLMh6sQTRNA by grips@cawfee.club
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       @CZB >gurbug spilled the pebble jar again
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hzscXiKhmOZZBenA by grips@cawfee.club
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       @theorytoe >I mean theses two seasons, so the passage of each could logically be considered some unit of time since its cyclic in natureof course, yeah>and since they align fairly close to the 365 days it would be not improbable to get close to that numberthe question then is, when do you start counting
       
 (DIR) Post #B9hzzuAHDHbPFlhK0u by CZB@eientei.org
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       @grips or stole a shiny rock or two as a treat.
       
 (DIR) Post #B9i0Q9xp5wyBmaOMcq by grips@cawfee.club
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       @theorytoe I guess. maybe I'm looking at it too much like a modern autist - as @lebronjames75 said earlier, why would they need it
       
 (DIR) Post #B9i3FCFmXdP5YqFwFk by 3hu@cawfee.club
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       @grips the same way all those megaliths with apertures and shadows that line up only one day a year. More roughly, it would be easy to count twelve months.
       
 (DIR) Post #B9i807nhJa9zB3kiDA by Bungler@cawfee.club
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       @grips The sun rises at different points on the horizon each day. In the northern hemisphere at the summer solstice, it rises furthest northeast. So assuming a fixed horizon, you can look at markers, like mountains, and notice the sun only appears so far north east, as the days get longer, before reversing course in where it rises, as the days grow shorter. This can be correlated to artificial objects, standing-stones they set up, & whatnot (Stonehenge seems an example of this). You can compare these patterns to phenomena of moon and stars. To record keeping, oral peoples keep records orally. Eventually they figure out how to count things. So many days from when the sun reverses course on the horizon, to the next. (Even illiterate peoples might have 'kept records' with a tally-stick, or some collection of beads on a string, or other markers, as well).
       
 (DIR) Post #B9idUp8HrvWSptV97I by gav@cawfee.club
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       @Bungler @grips every year on this exact day out of pure malice the sun blinds me in the eye