Post B9CsP12KPugLIdorcO by MMRnmd@todon.eu
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 (DIR) Post #B9Ca8zNqzobiMi60uW by MMRnmd@todon.eu
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       @MusiqueNow The absolute reluctance to vote for most anarchist finds its roots in the birth of anarchy theories.When Proudhon, Kropotkine... were so much against voting, let's not forget that it was almost 200 years ago.At that time, I too would have been against the mascarade of polls :- No women vote- Only the people paying taxes or having a minimum wealth set by law, or aristocrats...were entitled to vote.Then, for sure, under these conditions, voting would have given a legitimacy to a dictature1830 THE fight was to have the working class understanding some key notions (property, explotation, slavery, women's condition, colonialism's...)But standing against the vote in 2026 when you're anarchist has become counter productif and even a  tactic billionaires love.Today, anybody can vote and the real fight is explaining to those lacking political background to analyse the different programs and not choosing the rooster using most fancy words (if I don't understand him, he must be soo clever).To reach our ideal society, we first must create it.Beside killing each other, the only way is to elect an organisation whose 1st and main achievement, before anything else, would be to carve in stone a new republic, the 6 th in France that will enable us to do without a Jacobin state.
       
 (DIR) Post #B9CgDJ5UHNNkMIwnZo by lienrag@mastodon.tedomum.net
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       @MMRnmd I don't think that's the right argument.Back then, they refused to vote because representative democracy is depoliticizing.And it certainly is !The thing is that in our current situation, not   voting is also depoliticizing, probably more than voting for good people like the ones mentioned above (while explaining why they won't be able to change anything without workers' mobilization).@MusiqueNow
       
 (DIR) Post #B9CsP12KPugLIdorcO by MMRnmd@todon.eu
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       @lienrag Yes, this is also not wrong but I always try to remember that the world of Proudhon and mine are so different.I might have poorely explained my thought since English isn't my mother tongue, but I really think that, eventhough it isn't the best explanation, but what I wrote plus 3,4 other constatations explain our reluctance to vote.Of course, as a Communist-Anarchist, I do not think participating in the life of my community doesn't begin and ends at the enveloppe in the ballot.The more I write, the more I realize it is quiet an interesting subject that could be developped and I could learn a lot from it.Just to show how much things have changed in 180 years. Nobody denies nowadays that Proudhon was an antisemite, not a furious and hateful one, but in 1850 or around, antisemitism was an opinion like another, like being colonialist or in favor of slavery.He also had a poor image of women and of their role in politics and in directe action, those were ideas scarce among most true anarchists but considered normal enough so to infect intellectuals like Proudhon.Things have changed and the time when we only had to vote once or twice a year shall be over.Me must make politics everyday to shape our cities, so, somehow, vote in one way or another daily, if not, close@MusiqueNow