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(DIR) Post #B8YgisBT5lfocjrDYe by mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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We would like to address the recent controversy about one of the owners of Mullvad making a donation to a Swedish political party.https://mullvad.net/blog/donation-controversy
(DIR) Post #B8YhPVhmXkwhMKIqMi by ambiguous_yelp@veganism.social
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@mullvadnet I've read the article: pretending that your revenue doesn't go towards supporting far right politics doesn't change the fact your customers don't want to financially support that.#Mullvad
(DIR) Post #B8YiDs9jLWL7T5OFN2 by scrumschau@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet I gave you a chance to correct your stances.I will stop my subscription.Will spend it to some organizations that will kick fascists asses like your co-somewhat.Read home work for you: Paradox of ToleranceByebye#DanielBerntsson
(DIR) Post #B8YieGPvlXNgF5YHku by Theo_10@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet well said. Appreciate the company issuing a statement.
(DIR) Post #B8YimxISE0fHXzCQQy by draken@masto.nyc
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@mullvadnet Your word salad neglects to mention that your CEO gets paid through OUR money, and the only way to enact the remigration the fascist fuckface wants to do is through mass surveillance, which calls into question how long it's going to be before he orders the Mullvad team to backdoor the VPN.Go fuck yourselves, fascist apologists.
(DIR) Post #B8YinZw8YuzDO43eYy by EdwardCage@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet You still have not understood what this controversy is about. Nobody here denies anyone the right to have freedom of speech nor to donate to political parties.This controversy is about us not wanting to indirectly fund this party, as custommers. Your custommers money goes to the Mullvad company. Then a little part of this money goes to Daniel. And a part of his money goes to this party.
(DIR) Post #B8YithWPH4C4eIwTDM by norshgaath@kafeneio.social
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@mullvadnet Shortly before your donation to the fascists I had payed a yearly subscription.After this fascist whitewashing article I completely regret that.Is there a way to cancel and get the rest of my money back?
(DIR) Post #B8YjJAe87vaODVhQyO by PraetorCreech@wue.social
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@mullvadnet To make it pretty simple, I give you money, you give a part of that to your founders, they give a part of that to nazis. I don't like the last part, but I can only control the first part.
(DIR) Post #B8Yjyah6BboysMq480 by meissda@troet.cafe
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@mullvadnet people don't want to indirectly fund fascist ideas.If your CEO is really behind this project and doesn't want to put it at risk he has to step back and give it up.
(DIR) Post #B8YksozkCg3XRgNBAW by penguinrebellion@tldr.nettime.org
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@mullvadnet To quote you:»It should be clear by now how the party donation relates to this. Mullvad does not condone it, nor condemn it. It most likely was a bad idea; most things where there are a multitude of conflicting opinions necessarily are. But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain. Ideally through rational debate.«In short:You believe that the promotion of racist and xenophobic ideologies, including deportation, aka "remigration" of citizens, should be filed under "diversity of ideas".You also declare the deportation of people as yet another idea, to be "tested and sifted until the best ones remain".You did not address the fact that half a million Euros donated by your Co-CEO didn't come out of thin air, but was most likely money made from what he received as your Co-CEO.In other words: you don't object to the money made from your customers being openly funneled into the support of a racist and extremist party.To which we say:Fuck you, enablers of racism.
(DIR) Post #B8Yl7lhMk3A7Z7u5iq by guffo@topspicy.social
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@mullvadnet Trying to be politically neutral when it comes to fascism is to state that you're OK with a *bit* of fascism.You'll not get another penny from me.
(DIR) Post #B8YncBlIbR0mznNQ3c by johnnythan@tuebingen.network
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@mullvadnet Unfollowed. Gladly I've never paid you. I would hate for part of my money going to fascists.
(DIR) Post #B8YnrmD1NLAQNVmCNk by hmiron@fosstodon.org
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@mullvadnet I’m still using their encrypted DNS service but I’d like to switch. Any recommendations?
(DIR) Post #B8Yo9U5tStsVPMt0iG by sinvega@mas.to
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@mullvadnet one sentence. You couldn't go one sentence without downplaying that the problem is your guy is a fascist who gave huge sums to fascists to help them spread fascismWho did you think this mealy-mouthed bullshit would placate, exactly
(DIR) Post #B8YpLBPiqLYityIrSK by B2F@mas.to
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@mullvadnet People who think their own political ideology is the only one who deserves, or in protecting the right for privacy are completly wrong!I support #mullvad because of their mission statement, not for some individual opinion or statement!Privacy is for everyone, and by anyone regardless of their political allingment
(DIR) Post #B8YpSPhc7K43FC7TXc by Omega_Scribet@mementomori.social
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@mullvadnet Wrong move. Get rid of Daniel, apologize for not getting rid of him in the first place and hope some will stay/come back - trying to be a-political when many of your customers are mad because of a despicable political donation is stupid and suicidal.
(DIR) Post #B8YpTS4AoW8arhAOae by samuel@social.spejset.org
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@mullvadnet you're not doing things better by once again not condemning financial support for fascist forces but rather encouraging it by linking to his blog post
(DIR) Post #B8YpiqKSt61GSU7sQq by Cube@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet I see that you still don't understand that the problem is a fundamental unresolvable incompatibility then
(DIR) Post #B8YqEjaRUUUyoXo3JQ by pabryan@mathstodon.xyz
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@mullvadnet https://alternativeto.net/software/mullvad/
(DIR) Post #B8YrEKRz2zuooEDiq0 by SecondUniverse@autistics.life
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@mullvadnet You cannot tolerate - "radically" or otherwise - ideologies that are based on intolerance.
(DIR) Post #B8YsBjWFUAhXdzXdJY by Kow@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet Its seems everyone is mad that the company doesn't control its employees outside of their business practices. If my employer told me I couldn't donate money to someone because of politics I would tell them to go fuck themselves. What if your company told you you couldn't go to a protest or post "fuck ice" on your private socials?I get it, he's a big guy in the company and he supports some nasty stuff. You should feel entitled to give your money where you see fit, but don't try to set a precedent of your employer controlling your life outside of work. That's truly evil. Should companies freely fire people that don't agree with their politics? Aren't we on Mastadon and Mullvad to escape being monitored and controlled? Quit trying to make it a one-way thing. If one side can't do it, neither can the other.
(DIR) Post #B8YssKMIuIyy3wCTya by rightsprung@c.im
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@mullvadnet@mastodon.online "Mullvad does not condemn it"It's a nazi bar, guys.
(DIR) Post #B8YtMk9PZrIWk6foiu by lxrs@mastodon.online
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@mullvadnet 🤡
(DIR) Post #B8Yv3hoAGNF3somk8u by lottmon@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet I think this is not going well. This won't work out. As you say, you are political. I see two options for you: 1. Daniel leaves.2. Loose quite a lot of customers (incl. me) and live with the fascist-brown background-colour Daniel gave you.Such statements only worsen it.Imagine you being a political activist seeking digital shelter in a VPN. Would you trust one with such background? I would not.
(DIR) Post #B8Yw7XO535pWfzyYD2 by brothercasas@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet what a terrible response. Fascist apologists will not get my business.
(DIR) Post #B8YyBFww1YRnf1BBpY by athousandcateaus@tiggi.es
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@mullvadnet i don't really understand how someone that supposedly values privacy and freedom of speech could support a party that wants large scale "remigration" of people, even if they have other policies that are less at odds with privacy and free speech.the american government has made it pretty clear that if you want to deport a lot of people then you need mass surveillance. ICE and companies ICE has contracted like Palantir correlate data from a lot of different sources in order to try to determine if someone is undocumented. they undermine those people and everyone else's privacy for that purpose and that environment undermines people's ability to speak freely.aside from being morally abhorrent to me, i just think it's ridiculously naive.
(DIR) Post #B8Yzdmwf2aNI3bDjBQ by feudjais@eldritch.cafe
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@mullvadnet no freedom is absolute. You are free of movement but their is a speed limit, for example. Speech is the same. You are free to express ideas but you are not free to express hateful content. Being for a remigration, supporting a fascist party is hateful speech.You do not really care, imo. It is just a desperate try to damage control but it's kinda over now.The only acceptable answer, in case you care : "fuck fascists" and fire that fascist in your company. Fascists are like a disease, you need to take your medicine to eradicate the virus.
(DIR) Post #B8Z0Mls9sKwplHZ0sK by Aedius@lavraievie.social
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@mullvadnet You are free to accept this.We are free do NOT accept it.Deal with it.
(DIR) Post #B8Z1K1x9jPyKii9skC by Shrigglepuss@godforsaken.website
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@mullvadnet You didn't address it though did you? You doubled down. Name the political party in your statement and what they stand for while you're defending them instead of being cowards. Say it with your whole chest.
(DIR) Post #B8Z2d9YFnyn5k5C1Gi by north@xn--8r9a.com
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@mullvadnet good luck with that
(DIR) Post #B8Z3gdV70ietS2wq2a by barryallen2023@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet never paid for your services and now I never will. Good luck with your racist and fascist dumpster fire. #ditchMullvad
(DIR) Post #B8Z83zEqkwB1LYjPRw by thaodan@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet what's so hard to understand in my freedom ends where someone else's begins? I get it all about political neutrality but tolerating that some of your revenue goes to people who hurt other peoples freedom means you accept those actor's. Silence is violence, if someone is in harm anyone has to act. Where I'm from if you don't help someone in an accident it's a crime. This is pretty much the same, but worse. You are portraying a false equality here
(DIR) Post #B8Z8TvNHkEMytN2qqO by Anibyl@social.coop
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@mullvadnet Thanks Mullvad, you motivated me to learn how to set up my own VPN server, and save on paying you and you fascist CEO.
(DIR) Post #B8Z8jeJ4yDKiafZl9U by faraiwe@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnet The ONLY acceptable statement is that the nazi fashy individual nazi collaborator has been kicked out, disavowed, disowned and damnatio memoriae-d.Stop covering up.We WILL remember.Mullvad is dead for us, until the nazi is kicked out.#Mullvad #nazi #MAGAt
(DIR) Post #B8ZAVzyPoiCVduWrqq by bobkmertz@techhub.social
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@mullvadnetIf this was a low level employee your blog post might hit the mark but this is your fucking CEO.I don't doubt there are a lot of good people in your company but the captain of that ship is still heading toward the iceberg and refusing to listen or step down so regardless of what the many good people are trying to do there is only one ending for your ship. Come to think of it, Mullvad's VPN is a lot like the physical Titanic ship - it just did it's job but the actions of *people* left out laying at the bottom of the sea.
(DIR) Post #B8ZBCQZvI4u4JqIxRw by Pizzasquidwithatophat@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet Fuck you, ni gris jävels
(DIR) Post #B8ZBLnfgnhjgXyTGbI by brhfl@digipres.club
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@mullvadnet this was a predictably pathetic read, but congratulations on such a public display of spinelessness, i guess
(DIR) Post #B8ZHZwzJYfl1DkmUXA by pedro_mateus@mas.to
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@mullvadnet Are you ok?! Did you pull something bending over backwards to avoid calling fascism by name? Did your spine finally collapse under the weight of serving as a platform to a xenophobic hypocrite? No, seriously! Are you fucking kidding me?
(DIR) Post #B8ZHt8fyKJMWyMsqbA by JorisMeys@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnetI read your post and his "rationale".Came to the conclusion it's dangerous to give gullible people a lot of money. Seriously, if you let yourself be influenced by those that want to extract public wealth while blaming those protecting it, you should not have that kind of money. I regret seeing Sweden fall prey to the same crooks and thieves that ransacked so much already.There's a reason both Putin and Trump throw money at those parties. I don't have to add to that.
(DIR) Post #B8ZIY5nXvn3Bv6xFPE by shadowwwind@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet disgusting, never paid you, never will.
(DIR) Post #B8ZOg4jCOQv0dv6vwG by MrBehemo@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@mullvadnet You cannot say both"We nurture a culture of radical tolerance,"and"We do not condemn fascism."That's a paradox.
(DIR) Post #B8ZQa0RdbZX9Wt89j6 by grob@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnet appreciate the honesty, but after reading the donor's blog post: that is not a person I will in any way throw money at. "Managers need immigrants to keep taxes high and that's why we don't have innovation" is as wat as it gets
(DIR) Post #B8ZS64OQYqEozmTwPI by mrgm@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet So you continue to dig yourselves deeper? Congrats on finding out the best ways to lose customers, I guess!
(DIR) Post #B8ZU8zdkt77Z23AnI0 by seq@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet I've been grateful for Mullvad, since its been one of the only vocal groups for privacy in this country for a long time now. Ever since FRA was established I've had the feeling that most people don't give a single shit about this anymore. As long as they can complain about the weather, take their annual plane vacation to Tenerife and post their incessant shit on Instagram in order to get a few more likes from their relatives and friends so they can stroke their own egos for a bit. Therefore I've been silent about this whole ordeal, in anticipation of what kind of statement and actions Mullvad would take after reflecting on this for a while. Remember, this amount of money in this small country makes this a different beast than something you can just boil down to "Hey, we don't give a shit what Mr. Doe spends his weekly private allowance on, give us some slack." This is not chump change over here.I would've guessed that their co-founders and employees would be smarter than this. I would've guessed that they would realise that this issue is really important and demands proper focus. That it's too important to let even the prospect of a misstep ruin it (I think we all know the thin ice VPN providers in particular live on when it comes to trust). I've been a paying subscriber for quite a few years by now, and I was not happy about having to look up this particular party in Örebro. I would've hoped that I wouldn't have to spend my time on something like that because of this. Now, I live in Sweden (unfortunately) but I don't live near Närke and because of that I don't really see any news about local issues there. Local news are very solidly guarded behind paywalls in this country, so we're not really encouraged to find any news about our neighbours, leaving most of us to read about other peoples' feelings and guesses on Facebook. I still haven't managed to find a lot of news or facts about this party due to this, but in my mind it's not actually really the most important aspect of this either.The co-founder has in all likelihood gotten enough wealth from this company to be able to spend nearly 500 000€ on this party contribution, and judging from his own admission he doesn't particularly agree with their views or want them to have more power. If the blog post is to be believed (once you've gotten through the initial parts that are mostly factoids followed by his own unsubstantiated deductions and conclusions) it seems he basically spent it because of... a general feeling of "meh, fuck it". Or...? That's even more befuddling if that's the case. I don't know about the rest of you, but I never signed up for contributing to that. (And if he has such a private wealth that he can leisurely spend that amount of money with or without the help of his company on something he allegedly doesn't even really believe in I'd say it's even worse, and that it's obvious that he's part of the problem he himself is lamenting that this country is suffering from).I won't call Mullvad co-founders or employees fascists. I won't call them any other names either. I won't even ask for a refund for the subscription I currently have. But I cannot justify renewing my subscription when it expires in a few months either. I genuinely thought Mullvad were smarter and more serious than this. I thought they would be able to handle this more responsibly than this. Their latest statement has in my ears basically amounted to "Don't sweat it dude, we might occasionally splurge on some stupid shit from time to time. Who knows what consequences it might bring lol. But we still got you fam." To that I say: good luck, but I'm not comfortable with that "vibe", so I'm going to try to find a more serious and focused alternative to spend my money on from here on. As Mullvad themselves have basically stated the last few years, this issue is too important. Imagine what Mullvad could have done if the co-founders were serious enough about their own organisation to put this amount of money towards this actual issue instead?Also Mullvad, seriously: "But societies need a great diversity of ideas, initiatives and organizations who can be tested and sifted until the best ones remain. Ideally through rational debate."Since when was a private financial contribution of 500 000€ to a singular regional party an attempt to "sift initiatives and ideas and have a rational debate"? That's exactly the kind of behaviour you yourself have been criticising other private companies of doing in order to try to influence political decisions. Shame on you for not owning up to your own actions.
(DIR) Post #B8ZcbDIyTWcN9dQ8J6 by scarlett@gamepad.club
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@mullvadnet I do not intend on continuing my Mullvad subscription when it expires and this blog post has made it worse.
(DIR) Post #B8ZewhWfVf68s9CQwS by oisin@mastodon.ie
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@mullvadnet Fucking nonsense. My money has effectively been movedto a fascist organisation. How fucking dare you attempt to free-speech your way out of that.
(DIR) Post #B8ZwSsjD5sA86RzqXg by riotmuffin@ni.hil.ist
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@mullvadnet getting ratio'd the first time wasn't enough for you losers or is this just an excuse to link to the fascists' blog again?
(DIR) Post #B8a6Ld7BkCKtC5OQFc by Laukidh@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet didn’t we already do this last week? It’s not going to go any different
(DIR) Post #B8a6p7pic67arYHnRw by Lacze@hear-me.social
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@mullvadnet I DID STOP USING MULLVAD VPNHere is why:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmyDGjxO_s„Mullvad founder and co-owner Daniel Berntsson donated five million Swedish Krona, ~$500k, to a local political party in Sweden. That on its own is a red flag to someone like me, who believes private donations to politicians and their parties should be illegal. But that’s not the biggest problem of this donation.The biggest problem is what kind of a party this Mullvad owner personally donated to. It’s to the Örebro Party. A party with policies so broad and across the spectrum they seem to appeal to everyone all at once. But one of them, the key one in fact, stands out as the most incompatible with privacy and personal freedom. Values that the Mullvad company claims to uphold.Örebro's political platform amounts to establishing a deeply authoritarian surveillance state in order to enforce their policies. If I just told you what it is you might not immediately see why it’s a problem so let me give you a deep political analysis of this situation."_____
(DIR) Post #B8a7nKdO9FLFwKEA08 by marcotietz@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet you're so fucked
(DIR) Post #B8a8GzgqaBoHfazOD2 by MuuhdistMonk@social.freetalklive.com
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@mullvadnetThanks, Mullvad. I don't live in Sweden, and I believe all politicians in all countries are evil. I like your products, so I just renewed my subscription. Keep fighting the good fight!
(DIR) Post #B8aCcMEcMBffUNEAO8 by urig@mastodon.online
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@mullvadnet having read Daniel's personal blog post I realize that he is an infantile libertarian yielding his money as a political weapon. This is dangerous.Your company's self-contradicting, non-apologetic stance on the matter is a disappointment to say the least.Was considering #Mullvad as my #VPN provider before - not anymore.
(DIR) Post #B8aE05EjJ6qBfr9nyC by BenjaminKlein@mastodon.nu
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@mullvadnet this is a long thread but didn't see anyone mention, you are a VPN, trust is a big deal. Ingvar Kamprad was a fascist but he just sold furniture. As an immigrant in Sweden I have 0 trust in you now.
(DIR) Post #B8aMO3BXNxXhtXbSka by Synthyx@vivaldi.net
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@mullvadnet Alright, let's put the politics aside here, this is dumb in many other ways.Instead of using the money to improve Mullvad VPN, Daniel decides it's a good idea to spend an excessive amount of money on a private donation. This money could have been used to improve the protection against current surveillance technology, DAITA and Multihop are not enough! Mullvad still is just like other VPNs at this point where you're nothing better than a linux iso torrenting tool dressed in privacy.Also, just saying, tolerance doesn't work with the intolerant. Mutually exclusive ideas cannot coexist!
(DIR) Post #B8aPkTG07nCKmpYPpY by nannyfrog@eldritch.cafe
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@mullvadnet
(DIR) Post #B8aU2eqo9rQxlyhKtM by stx@mastodon.scot
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@mullvadnet fuck off!
(DIR) Post #B8aVjqZyWlEAYQyz8S by sknob@mamot.fr
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@limebar I clicked through and read a bit of the co-founders’ blog. Big mistake, wouldn’t recommend.https://mullvad.net/blog/donation-controversy
(DIR) Post #B8acPEDU9I8RShZvPs by SocksPls@mastodon.xyz
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@mullvadnet coward.
(DIR) Post #B8agSmiEkXbV8PuhcG by t3rcermillenium@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet Words are cheap.I could just use words and rant about your stance. I might even feel better.But those words would be equally cheap.Instead, I cancelled my #mullvad #vpn subscription and uninstalled #mullvadbrowser.My money now goes to #ivpn and I’m using #librewolf.I don’t want my money ultimately supporting racists and fascists. Simple as that.
(DIR) Post #B8avbEltoERpmt7CHw by Rycochet@furs.social
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@mullvadnet 'We have nurtured a culture of radical tolerance. Even when some in our sphere of collaborators have advocated for actors and views that have personally and severely affected the founders and their family members, this has not stood in the way of cooperation.'So you're fine with collaborating with the far right and won't stop even as it starts to harm people your founders claim to care about... That is not the PR win you think it is, that you liking money and not caring about who gets harmed.
(DIR) Post #B8b4n4866J4tqQDHHc by remm@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet well we are not agree with your statement. That’s the problem.
(DIR) Post #B8bM38VPIUARGpMgTI by doodle@mas.to
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@mullvadnet If it takes you this many days to put out such a pathetic statement, it just goes to show you’re only doing it to try and keep whatever users you’ve got left.
(DIR) Post #B8cU1K2p8fozN8gmuW by danielpree@chaos.social
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@mullvadnet it’s just sad, you did very well and destroyed it in a second. In times when the fck* US building a new Third Reich, it’s more important having an attitude and beeing crystal clear about the own political compass. Losing trust is the worse…
(DIR) Post #B8cYt1EFi89ATEtX84 by wilmaboobu@social.tchncs.de
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@mullvadnet You say you advocate for an open world and accept that using your service could potentially lead to abuse of any kind. Sure, that’s just the nature of the beast. But taking such a neutral stance on it anyway strikes me as being as flexible as a willow in the wind. I would have appreciated it if you had still positioned yourselves on “the right side.” Simply providing a service and then suggesting, “Do whatever you want with it—we don’t really care in the end,” isn’t the philosophy I would have expected. Show some backbone.
(DIR) Post #B8dDxEwEmGx2GibFLM by miiamustang@eliitin-some.fi
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@mullvadnet "Daniel the individual" lolYou guys suck at this :'DAlso, stop funding a fascist party.
(DIR) Post #B8eUJ7ITf3NdMhPqNs by alexisju@framapiaf.org
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@mullvadnet Bad "answer". not what we expected. We note that you don't condemn far right. Not condemn is like support.
(DIR) Post #B8mm2bjJN6ogYm7FNg by exception@mastodon.savvy.ch
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@mullvadnet Bullshit.
(DIR) Post #B8oO4fjxDDt5bjwdDU by forward@mastodon.cloud
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@mullvadnet Purity tests. God how I hate purity tests.
(DIR) Post #B8v4N5ou2xWVWhsEXA by jaanus@iosdev.space
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@mullvadnet yeah keep digging the hole deeperNo more business from me to youBye
(DIR) Post #B9Rw3AJOVrNPdyUAoC by JimmyB@mas.to
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@mullvadnet thanks for providing us with such a comprehensive list of actual Masto-fascists to block. Lovely the way they all crawled out to declare themselves so publicly in your defence. Interesting [not interesting] how they are *all* ‘anarchist’ tech dude bros.