Post B81yn241znOO786QTY by chroma@raccoonisland.social
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(DIR) Post #B7zX7pXcZ2G2K99UY4 by glyph@mastodon.social
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RE: https://eigenmagic.net/@vampiress/116859241032699772“I poisoned my own mind.”More and more programmers are writing retrospectives like this — and a huge THANK YOU to Elissa for doing so — where they discover that Programming Is Not Special.It is particularly interesting to read this from a solo game developer who is both a programmer and an artist, who began by thinking the programing isn’t art, and discovered by an emotionally torturous process that it actually is.RT: https://eigenmagic.net/users/vampiress/statuses/116859241032699772
(DIR) Post #B7zX7qvlOlACdJSHom by glyph@mastodon.social
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Also anti-AI followers I shouldn’t have to say this but in these trying times I believe I must: if you harass the author of this piece, even just to say something snide like “well what did you expect, using the lie machine, you deserved to feel bad” then I repudiate you and you will never see the light of heaven. Please do not be part of the problem.
(DIR) Post #B81y86RKozzvoRUCR6 by contrasocial@mastodon.social
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@glyph As an artist who grew up with tech-minded people telling me how useless and unserious art is, and how I shouldn't waste my time pursuing creative careers, how the social sciences were a joke, who had to listen to them sit in the back of english class and complain when we had to learn about subtext, symbolism, and metaphor and "Why don't they just write what they mean literally?"It doesn't really give me any satisfaction that an individual of that class of people became self-aware.
(DIR) Post #B81y86rvE9GV8tvQsS by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@glyph @contrasocial I was, and still am, with the "why don’t they just say what they mean" crowd (for the most part). Yet I always knew programming is art and LLMs are bad.I can appreciate art, just not everything that falls under that label (think the butter in the corner story). I’m amazed at painters, for example, and great composers.
(DIR) Post #B81y8840mgWuqgabMO by contrasocial@mastodon.social
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@glyph After tech enthusiasts finally figured out how to build an ocean-drinking, sky-burning, human-poisoning, soul-dismantling machine just to try and push artists and creatives out of the picture, and one finally had the realization that their interests and processes aren't that different after all from artists. I don't feel satisfaction, but I don't feel much sympathy either, as tech "progress" turns our planet into an ash heap and disintegrates what little culture we have left.
(DIR) Post #B81ySet2SV9ARIFJUe by pa27@mastodon.social
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@glyph We've all played with LLM coding. Why not? It's intellectual curiosity - something we have and LLMs don't. The results are sometimes ok, depending on what you expect. Try asking it for assembly language code though, or an unusual language variant, and it falls over. Then also consider - did you pay for it or us a free tier? And what was the on cost, the energy, water, and addition to the llm bubble size just by using it?Then get back to real coding!
(DIR) Post #B81ySfG54pZval1iPQ by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@glyph @pa27 no, we did not all do that. Some of us have learnt a healthy criticism of the hyped new thing du jour (which takes some research to overcome) and then early on the problems with it, so we didn’t use it, not even to playing around.
(DIR) Post #B81yn241znOO786QTY by chroma@raccoonisland.social
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@glyph “I poisoned my own mind. Maybe I can go back to them in future, starting from scratch and doing them the right way, but for now, they’re shelved.”The door is still open, not a great ending for the post. I don’t get why people are so tempted by laziness and cognitive decay.
(DIR) Post #B81yn2OalLq58tiqWW by glyph@mastodon.social
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@chroma wait why do you say this is not a great ending? what door is still open?
(DIR) Post #B81yn2dTrzkTt4gjjM by chroma@raccoonisland.social
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@glyph read the quoted paragraph, I will quote it again, with emphasis: “back to them in the future (…) doing them the right way”.She suggests there’s a “right way” of doing LLMs.This kind of person doesn’t learn anything, they still think it’s “a tool”. They still jerk off to the false and despicable idea of compressing days of work in seconds regarding creative endeavors.
(DIR) Post #B81yn2tQugVcgY9Tay by glyph@mastodon.social
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@chroma "Maybe I can go back to them in future, ***starting from scratch*** and doing them the right way" (emphasis mine)The author is suggesting that the ideas are now ruined by LLM residue, and that she needs to shelve them until she can forget the dispiriting sludge that they produced, doing them again by herself ***from scratch***, i.e. *NOT* using an LLM, but with the same *idea*.
(DIR) Post #B81yn36u6bHhMKSEam by chroma@raccoonisland.social
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@glyph My bad, I misunderstood that paragraph’s idea by reading diagonally and fast.But I disagree, the only viable use of LLMs is multiline (5-10 max) autocomplete after extensive training with a specific repo tbh.They’re just glorified autocomplete, any other use out of this is pure brain rot that isn’t far from Markov chains garbage.
(DIR) Post #B81yn3ND7yKQAu5G0e by glyph@mastodon.social
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@chroma My position is actually more maximalist than yours, apparently; I don't even think they should be used as autocomplete, certainly not as much as 10 lines at a time; that just creates an opportunity to gloss over 1-character bugs without even really boosting productivity much. I am not even sure that search autocomplete is safe https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4535163&__cf_chl_f_tk=jNrJBWpgluZQNLfU_zryzI22167PyWPRvLUGILwdQMA-1783179018-1.0.1.1-7Cazxa1x8rp3flYrUDPfOao56Hj5cZyOxqFV5zWTgn0
(DIR) Post #B81yn3yQta6Q2LUz1k by glyph@mastodon.social
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@chroma Even if the author actually held the position that you are suggesting, the suggestion that this "kind of person" is incapable of learning is bafflingly dismissive, given that this is at the end of a lucid exploration of a profound harm that LLMs can do. Presumably if they imagine some possible future valid use, it would be *vastly* different.
(DIR) Post #B81yn4sRXKuCq3hiKW by glyph@mastodon.social
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@chroma see also https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-61345-5
(DIR) Post #B81yn64t4YSCYwXAMi by glyph@mastodon.social
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@chroma my point is just that if a person *were* to hold such a position, dismissing their entire capacity to learn out of hand would be pretty extreme.