Post B7s0y7H16Rz7K83yOO by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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 (DIR) Post #B7s0y6cFY1NJHgzPqi by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @valkyrie i find it interesting how for me the foss community has been realistically the only thing that actually felt like a community, where i could reasonably expect people i don't know to treat me well for the most partreally stark contrast with the queer communit(y|ies)
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y6p0mZaDvGxbk0 by xgranade@wandering.shop
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       @whitequark @valkyrie I've found nearly the opposite, which I think goes a long way towards that YMMV, and that disaggregating categories as community can be helpful — by way of agreement with "(y|ies)."
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y727zo4iZx65BY by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @xgranade @valkyrie with a few individual exceptions—impactful but sequesterable as individual, isolated incidents—FOSS has both created and supported my current career, including (but without a primary focus on) lifechanging economic benefits. every time i've tried to move from pure-play FOSS to something closer to SWE business after the age of 20, it has brought me increasing amounts of misery to a point where about 1.5 years ago i've recommitted to dedicating my life to FOSS just because it has so consistently improved itthis is also my primary driver of opposition to most use of genAI: it's corrosive to the only structure that has systematically treated me well
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y7H16Rz7K83yOO by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @xgranade @valkyrie ok i guess you should read "FOSS" everywhere above as "FOSS/OSHW", it's sort of the same general place anyway
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y7VuD5tW4J1rbE by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @xgranade @valkyrie to give one specific example: people i tangentially knew from FOSS communities but generally did not have a close relationship with have done more, in practical terms, to help me move from a not very trans friendly country at war to the UK than every friend and partner combinedwithout the former i'd be either completely isolated or just dead todaywithout the latter i'd have a real bad time in the UK but in retrospect i don't think i'd have arrived here at all.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y7hFWuy6dUKvHU by xgranade@wandering.shop
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       @whitequark @valkyrie Yeah, and that's absolutely critical. Not disagreeing or invalidating, only remarking that the specific subsets of respective communities I've encountered have been different.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y7saqk2hCfdyxk by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @xgranade @valkyrie yes. I just don't see people talk much at all about their positive experiences with the former. and I guess negatives about the latter tend to be pushed out of the view too
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y86m01NvueHJ44 by valkyrie@wandering.shop
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       @whitequark @xgranade that is really uplifting to hear. i think i'm just really salty right now. generalizations are always unfair
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y8KFBwA0aQa43s by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @valkyrie @xgranade there is unquestionably a lot of bad, too. but like. actively wanting to work on FOSS/OSHW (mostly OSHW these days but, again, related fields) is why i wake up every day and push through nightmares and fibromyalgia. there are rather few other things in this world that are so worth it, for me
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y8YQLDVFIPDOAC by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @valkyrie @xgranade to expand on the generalization aspect, i think one big issue is grouping motivations by the chosen license. it's sort of nonsensical if you lay it out like this, right? i work on FOSS for the explicit and overriding reason that i want to decrease the amount of misery in the world. that's why i review PRs and the principle by which i pick changes and why i start projectsbut plenty of other people don't do it that way. which is fine! however it all gets grouped as "FOSS", a group that principally focuses on consumption, it's like the term "content" that erases all meaningful distinction in favor of the consumer's categorization
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0y8oNNuGO5sg81o by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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       @whitequark@valkyrie @xgranade does FOSS even describe a group of people? I thought it was more of a "the software I can use on these terms, regardless if of was written by the zealots from the Free Software movement, the pragmatists from the Open Source movement, a rando's one-off experiment, or thrown over a fence by an indifferent corporation"
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0yDc9WmSMzPzwAa by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @valkyrie @xgranade motivations matter a lot. quite a few people publish code because they want status, or to feel important, or to show off, or just to fuck around, and then the collaboration aspect becomes a burden. I see this as an issue of a lack of skill, and sometimes a lack of desire to acquire that skill, which could still be fine if laid out clearly and upfront. if you don't clearly know why you're doing this you'll probably have a bad time and so will others around you. kind of a competition in who'll have it suck worse at that pointat one point i'll find a minute and write the long-planned essay on the topic that i hope could reduce the amount of misery downstream of this somewhat. if i'm good, anyway
       
 (DIR) Post #B7s0yF5y1PtpaAxGHQ by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @valkyrie @xgranade in one sentence: who are you doing this for? and how will you know that you've failed them?