Post B7lXPGDv7zA5WiXw4e by didierofrivia@mastodon.online
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(DIR) Post #B7l9jAHGXy9rye4MGe by mullvadnet@mastodon.online
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@rysiek Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.
(DIR) Post #B7lCeJMvcMx2aW5xqa by webhat@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet the old: "if you don't like it, leave" argument. I guess we know where you stand on thiscc: @rysiek
(DIR) Post #B7lCmhJiSlMBB8ak2C by JoachimSelliken@helvede.net
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@mullvadnet @rysiek although your message sounds nice, the thing about it is, that giving money to Mullvad now means sponsoring a man who gives money to a hateful group of people spouting dangerous racist ideas. That kind of behavior is not a matter of "the right to express and access views we disagree with." It is a matter of actively promoting hate, and you should take a stand against it, rather than pretend that it is just free speech without IRL concequences.
(DIR) Post #B7lDPjEPHN20PSifjs by xyla@shitpost.trade
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Mullvad is a political company fighting for free speech, free information and privacy, with two equal co-founders, co-owners and co-CEOs who fundamentally disagree on many issues. Daniel's donation to a political party is private and not part of Mullvad's mission. We protect the right to express and access views we disagree with. We welcome anyone sharing these core values, whatever their other opinions. We are happy to refund others who don't, where we can.
(DIR) Post #B7lFUJuZ2tZnElkuEy by RanuRat@furry.engineer
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Leadership _leads_. His statements and use of funds, especially when acquired from ownership of a company, directly reflect the mission statement and intents of said company.This is one of those “practice unquestionable ethics” moments leadership books talk about.
(DIR) Post #B7lILsZd6PBZzrd8Xg by Anomnomnomaly@beige.party
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Free speech does not mean free from the consequences.You cannot distance yourself from this by simply claiming it's 'outside' of the company. Everything you do and say has an impact on your 'mission' and your mission as of this moment is questionable.
(DIR) Post #B7lIfHEHenudy1tZmy by Aethel@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek arthur foxache, so which eu-made vpn now, that wont send money to fascists next week? Jaysus this is tiring :/
(DIR) Post #B7lTH3PMUYizeAjH16 by bfluzin@tldr.nettime.org
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Free-speech-is-bullshit-101: some opinions ends up with people drowning in the mediterranean sea, some others don't.
(DIR) Post #B7lUN2FVoUKDkDXQLw by ljrk@todon.eu
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Ah, lovely. So being against funding fascist ideology that's repressing other people's rights to express themselves and making a *personal* choice about that is... being against freedom of expression? This is some twisted mindgame. No, I'm against fascists, I'm pro right-to-express oneself. And yes, because of that I do think Mullvad shouldn't check their users political alignment, even if that means fascists get to use Mullvad too. But that's one thing. Funding fascists through my subscription? That's not what I have to agree with just because I'm for the freedom of expression.Indeed, freedom of expression also means being able to cancel my subscription because of that. Pretending that this means I'm against freedom of expression is downright insulting.
(DIR) Post #B7lW2ANObLpmmGP0Lo by penny@eldritch.cafe
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@mullvadnetMullvad. Stop. Look.The co-owner is the primary financier of the party being funded. He is presumably getting his money from this operation. Mullvad is implicated by default. And if we accept that mullvad is implicated, then mullvad cannot exist as a champion of free speech, because it is paying a salary that is playing a significant role in preventing free speech and freedom of movement. Your values have been compromised. If you, social media person, cannot fix this- then your best bet is to shut up.
(DIR) Post #B7lX8BpCEGjuxeqFeK by lxrs@mastodon.online
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@mullvadnet @rysiek 🤡
(DIR) Post #B7lXPGDv7zA5WiXw4e by didierofrivia@mastodon.online
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@mullvadnet @rysiek What a petty reply... Well, I guess I'm not using @mullvadnet anymore, not a chance I will be giving money to a bloody nazi "in the name of free speech".
(DIR) Post #B7lXW7oSnRv7T7ucXQ by jwildeboer@social.wildeboer.net
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@mullvadnet You are a commercial entity, selling VPN access. The money your company makes is being used by one of your CEOs to donate to a far-right political party. That's his freedom. It is also my freedom to call it out as unacceptable and to make sure your services are on my personal blocklist. Is all. @rysiek
(DIR) Post #B7lXpH94K6hHulgKx6 by tkissing@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet Are you too dumb to understand the tolerance paradox or too fascist?
(DIR) Post #B7lY8maVe20uvyop4i by slothrop@chaos.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Thanks for clarifying that you’re totally ok with giving the money you make from your customers to fascists. That clears up any lingering confusion. I will make sure to never ever do any business with Mullvad, and will advise others to find other VPN providers.
(DIR) Post #B7lYlVOTVQ1Gtwec9w by marlin@haminoa.net
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@mullvadnet @rysiek And paying your CEO so much money that he *can* make so significant donations to a political party surely is "free speech" too, huh?
(DIR) Post #B7la3qzE3y2X2L9nTk by LiamGilmartin@mastodon.ie
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Just so we're clear - your here defending the right of your boss to fund the rounding-up deportation of human beings based on ethnicity, and telling your customers who don't support this neo-nazi shyte to take their money and fack off.
(DIR) Post #B7layA0gWMUwFngkvQ by miwie@toot.berlin
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@mullvadnet @rysiek App will be deleted after current paid month ends.
(DIR) Post #B7lbge3YAfXsBMEzIW by Black_Flag@beige.party
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@mullvadnet @rysiek You don't protect the rights of fascists. You destroy their fascism.Mullvad is a fascist-supporting company.
(DIR) Post #B7lg74lns8MgNZnZPU by ocelot221@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Phew. Glad I never used Mullvad.
(DIR) Post #B7lg86dsOg3GTWa8wK by Keltounet@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek in essence you are just saying funding a far-right racist party is part of your core values??Fuck you.
(DIR) Post #B7lkQvW4O2MtHtA012 by joshsjunkdrawer@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Time for me to find a new VPN
(DIR) Post #B7lpO7XLjmBxTGExG4 by paco@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet I’m sure you all are catching lots of flack for this. It’s pretty straightforward:A customer’s money is income for the company. Some of the company’s income becomes the CEO’s salary. Some of the CEO’s money goes to a hateful political party.How can someone say with a straight face that being a mullvad customer might have nothing to do with supporting that political party?
(DIR) Post #B7lrxs6Yn58lwUsvA0 by mancube@pnw.zone
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@mullvadnetyeah let's hang out with genocidal nazis because we "share core values" you fucking tools 🙄@rysiek
(DIR) Post #B7luZVXfKK7osTdZAm by per_sonne@ciberlandia.pt
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Sure. But it's our right to uphold humanist values, by telling the co-CEO to find other rubes to milk. It's tainted and a huuuuuge red flag, so, nope. "Hey, relax guys, only one of our two CEO's is a Nazi! It's all good!"Buh-bye!
(DIR) Post #B7lvcRA8ANTi7LacRE by cafechatnoir@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet You're **choosing** to work together, which means whatever your CEO's may disagree on, it's obviously not a deal breaker.
(DIR) Post #B7m0PEHpE8BYBpi5dA by hausgeist@todon.eu
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@mullvadnet Good job ruining a good thing with your Nazi scum sympathizer bullshit.
(DIR) Post #B7m1uZ9PnszZpZHaSW by Mudlark@bark.lgbt
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@mullvadnet @rysiek advocating to lock people up, deport them and otherwise saying another person is a lesser human because of their genetics/skin colour is NOT a ‘view’ or an ‘opinion’There’s a number of words for what it is, but it’s definitely grounds for dismissal. As long as that guy is the CEO, Mullvad is financially supporting hatred and bigotry.
(DIR) Post #B7m3Kt5sNXu9ALk5Ca by deancommasteven@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet Yeah nah
(DIR) Post #B7m5arzwQ74EJEiOOm by ricardoharvin@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek 💩 🤮
(DIR) Post #B7mBQZIPhNNz8QpI3s by disorderlyf@todon.eu
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@mullvadnet @rysiek I'm sorry to say it's more than a difference of opinion to the people being targeted by the party one of the CEOs is nearly single-handedly funding. I can't debate someone who's kindest outcome in mind for me merely existing in the same physical space is being shipped away in a tin can so far away that contact is all but impossible faster than you can say "international law around asylum seeking."As a recent immigrant, I can't help but wonder too if the ire Daniel apparently feels for immigrants wouldn't apply as much to my pasty ass as much as someone from Syria or Senegal or Singapore. Because they can't integrate? Y'all talk about how ass backwards American culture is all the time! And yet, I've never once heard anyone from any country say "Americans can't assimilate to our culture."Please correct me if my assumptions are wrong, if he really wouldn't want me present in Stockholm of Malmö either. It'd still be bigotry that you can't really debate on, but at least it wouldn't be (as much) a tired bigotry we dispelled nearly a century ago.
(DIR) Post #B7mFKZiPctISVyNufA by caminaensilencio@masto.es
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Nazis used to do lists of people to make them "disapear". They still do it. Do you think we can use a VPN owned by soneone with fascist ideology? Are you sure that people can trust your sistems and feel safe knowing this information?
(DIR) Post #B7mTs8GRaswaa4CM1A by jimbob@aus.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek political donations aren't private, for a good reason, and they tell us all we need to know about the people running and profiting off the company.
(DIR) Post #B7mULVUwI3Xr2Lz8vg by bubi352@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek the good 'ol convenient "yeah, THAT'S private" excuse. (But your money is still used for a right wing party)
(DIR) Post #B7mZIQ9GDtu3LbC1Wi by tommi@jontka.fi
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@mullvadnet @rysiek your core value is funding nazis. Fuck all the way off.
(DIR) Post #B7mfaQ0S5cBpqP2Pp2 by petitevieille@mamot.fr
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@JoachimSelliken@mullvadnet @rysiek A classic.
(DIR) Post #B7n5garVEsZy3fSPFg by piepants@famichiki.jp
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@mullvadnet Yikes. This is up there with Framework's response as a great example of how not to respond to a controversy.Almost signed up with you guys through Tailscale. Not a fucking chance of that happening now.
(DIR) Post #B7n63uIl83yX0eK4qu by guyjantic@infosec.exchange
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Elon Musk is the most recent and most salient example in my mind of how this can work. He might as well say "my political contributions to Trump's campaign are private and not part of the missions of SpaceX or Tesla." I get that you don't agree with your co-founder's political views, and I don't have any reason to think you predicted or support them. However, it looks very much like a portion of every dollar or euro given to your company ends up funding a far-right anti-immigration movement.
(DIR) Post #B7n6E0AaANOQ6ZJO1A by Offbeatmammal@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek if you drink in a Nazi bar, it's fair to assume you're okay with them. One less VPN to recommend
(DIR) Post #B7nDGqYT4NL0pimtRw by Barbara_Sliwinska@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek
(DIR) Post #B7nIOQJj0KzxXtK97w by Dequei@masto.es
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@mullvadnet @rysiek You have 2 months to fix this mess or byebye
(DIR) Post #B7nJ2O4qkfU4BLQFyS by khaleer@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@mullvadnet @rysiek it was nice, but I would not support a company that have CEO working against it's own mission.That's a shame, but if you cannot deal with your rogue CEO, that's a reason for me to not trust you anymore.
(DIR) Post #B7nLQ4eunefSociLMO by fink@chaos.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek You are aware of how it is with bars and nazis? You seem to be a nazi bar.
(DIR) Post #B7nMRLwy655QgeKeeG by nthelt@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek To support deportation is to oppose many rights, including freedom of speech. Your cofounder does not support free speech for immigrants.
(DIR) Post #B7nUIZyBP17hC9EASm by Myphatself@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek coming for the refund.
(DIR) Post #B7nWgRJPRVyPCaf3kO by mrgm@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Damn, I'm glad you corrupt sacks of shit never got a dime of my money. I will actively recommend avoiding your services to people now that I know how much you suck
(DIR) Post #B7nY2tMdvThQWsRZj6 by brunomiguel@masto.pt
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@mullvadnet @rysiek the last two sentences were not only unnecessary but also made the situation worse. As @webhat pointed out, it reads as "if you don't like it, leave". Don't you have anyone there who can actually help you manage this? It looks super bad for the company, especially given that you have users who use your service precisely to avoid repercussions (like denouncing racist prosecution). for whatever idiotic shit one of the cofounders is defending
(DIR) Post #B7nYtvZmQtscjlsUgy by Eetschrijver@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet Good story. You're still not getting my business. 🚮🚮🚮@rysiek
(DIR) Post #B7nZ6Dv43hfl6RhFey by meissda@troet.cafe
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@mullvadnet so mysanthropy is just another kind of view for you? Interesting opinion.
(DIR) Post #B7na10ppNYbH1pKHpo by thaodan@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek What does one do if the revenue of yours go to those who wish to exterminate them? I agree on the right to free speech, freedom and privacy. However my freedom ends where the freedom of someone else begins.
(DIR) Post #B7naqj5cbIBP3DNAYa by Thebratdragon@mastodon.scot
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@mullvadnet @rysiek A NAZI sits at your table, everyone who doesn't leave is a nazi.Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
(DIR) Post #B7nglgYfBWexTaw6xE by cakemix@mas.to
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Saw your bus ad. Won't be using your service that's for sure now.
(DIR) Post #B7nlFEERStB281owVM by Pizzasquidwithatophat@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek Somebody like that extremist haiwan shouldn't be in Mullvad, remove him or your reputation can gitta härifrån
(DIR) Post #B7npieoe6a4kn92itU by virkon42@det.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek wow, that is a sad statement. I am always amazed what money does to a mans mind.
(DIR) Post #B7nqlDyIT5JAMHLSC0 by faraiwe@mstdn.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek and your CEO funding far right wing political party, what do you call that?
(DIR) Post #B7ntOdfr2YoTH8dn7Y by davidtheeviloverlord@mastodon.social
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@mullvadnet @rysiek There is a difference between free speech and hate speech.Funding a Nazi party is not free speech.
(DIR) Post #B7wC62DVe91SdJKo8O by manu@freiburg.social
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@mullvadnetYou certainly do not welcome the views of people that want to ban VPN providers.But you do welcome the supposedly unshared views of people who want to ban actual people? Like that wouldn't impact the freedom of expression of those same people?Spoiler: Their opinions would be banned along with their bodies from your country. An action then supported by money that probably came out of your company.@rysiek
(DIR) Post #B7xdSzpxgs4DkJHqvw by BigTittyBimbo@autonomous.zone
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@mullvadnet