Post B7Z6WhNuqSSvaGf8MK by tides@kokoro.garden
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(DIR) Post #B7YvKTJ4GLmgwzMV4i by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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aborting babies for "eugenic" reasons is literally futile. its an attempt to cheat God, and God always wins. all youre doing is giving yourself worse karma (and thus are more likely to have difficult children in future lifetimes) by having an abortion.
(DIR) Post #B7Z6WhNuqSSvaGf8MK by tides@kokoro.garden
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@georgia what if you don't have the resources to care for a special needs child?
(DIR) Post #B7Z6WhdVuSwUMdxafg by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@tides then don't have sex. "I want the child eugenics will give me, not the child God will give me" is not a valid position imo
(DIR) Post #B7Z6x9r1cQD3PStXQ8 by nautilus@kill-corporations.enterprises
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@georgia are you anti-abortion in general or just against aborting disabled fetuses?
(DIR) Post #B7Z6xA6GhkP2Ak1iBE by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@nautilus I'm anti-abortion except in cases of rape and harm to the mother. abortion is violence against the weak. eugenic abortion is particularly insidious.
(DIR) Post #B7Z7hga6Gxt6EQAG4u by nautilus@kill-corporations.enterprises
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@georgia what do you define as harm to the pregnant person? how do you propose to screen out "legitimate" abortions from the ones that are wrong? also, I am pro-choice, but I find the rape exception some pro-lifers have kinda puzzling because it implies that certain fetuses do not have a right to live depending on the circumstances of their conception (which are beyond their control)
(DIR) Post #B7Z7hgviyZBXJUHWme by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@nautilus harm to me means a doctor believes their life is at risk. I consider rape a valid exception because raped women are not responsible for being pregnant and carrying a baby conceived from rape to term is understandably psychologically violent. its all about responsible individuals having the responsibility to prevent violence to me. if you aren't a responsible individual who can take care of a baby you shouldnt be having straight sex.
(DIR) Post #B7Z8zQbSW8c3qKp9ay by nautilus@kill-corporations.enterprises
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@georgia do you think it's OK for parents to relinquish responsibilities for an unwanted newborn under safe haven laws? like leaving them at a fire station or hospital
(DIR) Post #B7Z8zQrlXVemeuSB0q by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@nautilus I think adoption is vastly preferable to abortion because its less violent, but its still somewhat unethical because it often creates trauma and the adoption system isnt very good in a lot of places. again, the truly responsible should simply use redundant forms of contraception or just not have sex. people talk about how liberating abortion was to women's lives in allowing then to compete in the workplace with men and not be derailed for 20 years, I'm all for the equality of the sexes (I dont think "a woman's place is in the home", everyone should do what they are best individually suited to, that is the true svadharma) but I think "dont have sex, or use birth control" just isnt that hard. I have gone my entire life without sex or an orgasm. people are obsessed with sex though.
(DIR) Post #B7ZAjXj0TGSJCouKTA by kumicota@akkoma.kumicota.moe
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@georgia @nautilus >I think adoption is vastly preferable to abortion because its less violent, but its still somewhat unethical because it often creates trauma and the adoption system isnt very good in a lot of places.I'm speaking mainly from the experience of seeing a close relative adopting because they're infertile, but at least here there's a lot stigma agains adopting. The major ones I remember seeing is that a lot of people don't see an adopted kid as a kid, with thoughts like "You can't just give it up later" or "in the end it's not your child", which IMO makes a lot of people think that adopted kids are some kind of vanity object instead of a child being taken care of.I imagine that if that stigma didn't existed, adoption wouldn't had a lot of those problems
(DIR) Post #B7ZBJv1PKc3XstrMiu by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@kumicota @nautilus taking care of any kid is virtuous but adopting is very virtuous. I wish there werent such a stigma against it.
(DIR) Post #B7ZBNyifWcniVl1xVA by nautilus@kill-corporations.enterprises
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@georgia I think we're in agreement that quality of life, whether due to a person's disability or other life circumstances, is not a good indicator of whether they should be born or nothowever I still think opposition to abortion to protect the weak is misplaced, because it places hypothetical (and very dubious prospect of) fetal pain above the real pain of the unwillingly pregnant person. people who give up their newborns for adoption also experience trauma that often goes unackowledged in discussions about this. adoption is not a fix-all and I'm not convinced that fetuses can be victims themselvesI also don't think a feminist future is possible unless we can thoroughly separate the PIV sexual act from reproduction and reproductive logics. speaking solely of biological reproduction (and in cisgender generalities here for a moment), it is one of the primary vectors through which women are oppressed. men do not face nearly the same penalty for fatherhood that mothers do for motherhood. opposition to abortion is inherently misogynistic because the burden of it disproportionately falls on women. there are women being prosecuted for natural miscarriages in the name of "protecting the weak." (for the record I think this applies to all women in different ways regardless of whether they can get pregnant or not)
(DIR) Post #B7ZCBak6wbeyczMXo0 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@nautilus I dont oppose abortion because of fetal pain which is somewhat dubious youre right. I oppose it because of the death of what will become a person. the killing of an organism that is dependent on another organism at its first stage of life is still killing, and I'm against killing, even of most insects. I agree with most of your last paragraph. women's oppression is deeply rooted in the burden of reproduction while men perpetuate patriarchy to ensure their control of both womens sexuality and even moreso that they will have male heirs. but I think abortion is no solution to this disparity, in fact abortion has disproportionately affected pre-birth girls in countries like india and china especially creating significant sex gaps. I think the solution is no longer having a society obsessed with porn and sex, and promoting sex education and contraception and other tools like plan B. this has no downsides I can think of. I dont consider feminism (even radical feminism) and being pro-life antithetical to eachother, for me they are both rooted in opposition to entrenched systems of violence that disproportionately affect the disenfranchised.
(DIR) Post #B7ZCYvp6jWRGfVpSzI by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@HatkeshiatorTND what's my perspective on nature? I have the shaktadvaitavada perspective that all nature is an expression of saguna brahman and the kashmir shaivite perspective that all of reality is consciousness/vibrating consciousness (energy). I dont have the mayavada perspective that reality is fake and gay, I consider it to be more like a dream, and dreams are real, just more transient.
(DIR) Post #B7ZDHA3RBR9LXzcd0a by protos@tsundere.love
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@georgia @tides but there is no god?
(DIR) Post #B7ZDHAP3t2Rmd3jtiK by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@protos @tides bhagavad gita 16 7-16
(DIR) Post #B7ZEF16xYxyjBYoLDM by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@HatkeshiatorTND I read lord of the flies in school but I never read thomas hobbes. I'm fairly familiar with his attitude though. I dont like either of their conclusions about the nature of man, which I believe belong to a time later in kali yuga than this when people are even more reprobate (one could call it total depravity like a pr*t*st*nt). but even in such times rare souls will still appear to spread the dharma. I like the nordic system as far as governance goes (in absence of a truly God ordained theocracy), its one of my libshittier views. I just think that if a country is the happiest in the world, its doing something correctly.
(DIR) Post #B7ZEV3x6leJGd8r1V2 by protos@tsundere.love
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@georgia @tides Zarathustra 24 12-19
(DIR) Post #B7ZEV4DllhdZSoeKTA by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@protos @tides you can't pay me to read Nietzsche.
(DIR) Post #B7ZFvbiNxgawpIBmkq by meowski@fluf.club
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@georgia surprised to see this take from you. what about down syndrome? if you're in the 1st trimester and genetic testing shows the baby has trisomy what then?
(DIR) Post #B7ZSlBvgH9sNMVltdw by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@HatkeshiatorTND lmao I'm not a hobbesian at all. I dont like government and I tend to like people. I'm 5' 4.5" so fairly average for a woman