Post B7RcOsuv7hjpOPrKZE by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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 (DIR) Post #B7QiOkpfaSgOsxlS8e by mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
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       Some people think that #LLM usage costs rising will start undoing some of the harm caused by the #AI hype. I don't think that's really going to help that much.I'm not even talking about all the projects that were ensloppified and enshittified already. I'm not talking about all the technical debt. I'm not talking about all the forks that will have to be maintained forever. I'm not talking of all the projects that were abandoned because of burnout, or because they were only hype-oriented. And I'm not talking about all the corporations that will continue submitting slop.I'm talking about the loss of trust. After all, we're not talking of people who realized they were wrong and are sorry. We're not talking of people realizing that it was wrong to forfeit ethics and morals in the name of "productivity". We're talking of people who are jumping ships because their previous approach turned out not to be profitable anymore. We're talking of gamblers who left the casino because they went broke. They aren't sorry that they gambled; they are sorry that they've lost. And they'd be happy to do it again at the nearest opportunity.So, I'm sorry to say, but #FreeSoftware is never going to be the same again. A lot of people have shown their true colors, and I won't forget that.#NoAI #NoLLM #OpenSource #FLOSS
       
 (DIR) Post #B7RcOsuv7hjpOPrKZE by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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       @mgorny Mask off moments are good. The loss of trust isn't a bad thing, because that trust was never justified in the first place.On the contrary, when the smoke clears, I think it will be easier to build. We'll know who's a real one. We'll know what projects we can collaborate with. And we can leave a lot of chaff behind.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7RcOt7gMFwk1zpWSW by mgorny@social.treehouse.systems
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       @ska, on one hand, that's true. On another, you really didn't want to know.
       
 (DIR) Post #B7SZfHMpOvUd6MRezI by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @ska @mgorny I agree to some extent, but this is also a technology that by its very design and promotion targets and exploits vulnerable people, some of whom will very much regret it. we need to account and allow for that, otherwise there's no incentive to act on those regrets, and all the incentive to dig oneself into an even deeper hole
       
 (DIR) Post #B7SZfHYsg78Nhk5Hm4 by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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       @whitequark @mgorny You are a more generous person than I am. As much as I agree that the technology exploits vulnerable people, I consider that if someone could be made to believe that using an LLM to produce FOSS code is a good idea, then they don't understand what coding is about or what FOSS is about, and I don't mind doing without them unless and until they complete a long journey to figure it out.It's deeper than "making bad choices": it's "making choices that prove you really didn't get it, and we need to be sure that you do now".
       
 (DIR) Post #B7SZfHjs1FvOFpE3u4 by whitequark@social.treehouse.systems
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       @ska @mgorny I'm still considered an extremist by AI people!
       
 (DIR) Post #B7SZfHtnQLrekbrzNI by ska@social.treehouse.systems
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       @whitequark @mgorny And to a Republican, there's no difference between a communist, a social democrat, or a liberal. It's all "extremism", which means "anything that doesn't fully embrace my views". That only shows you who the extremists really are.