Post B6zu6XyFKjZLhmwC5A by kevinashworth@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #B6zVDIEvimLQ5crT60 by ariadne@social.treehouse.systems
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       I guess fundamentally my objection to vibe coding and LLM contributions in general is that, at least to me, the process of figuring shit out is the point.I think cutting out that journey is bad engineering, because design docs are rarely correct on the first try.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zYpATjKFR6swXHBw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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       @ariadne I feel like any sort of thing I value from computers, LLMs do the opposite, and so typically do what I hate with computers (or the industry).Like I'd say LLMs are tech that's unreliable and patch-preventing, and so horribly inefficient it's almost de-automatisation, with also centralisation so heavy it seems more meant to control people than controlled by people.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu5vaW2W0YfBXhom by kaoudis@infosec.exchange
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       @ariadne this and, producing huge gobs of code that combine multiple ideas and end goals in a difficult to follow fashion, which seems to be a result of all vibe coding, is an unreviewable habit. Breaking up the output of a vibe prompt into reviewable commits takes longer and is harder than just coding the commits myself I’ve found
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu5vl9OyVzCAWCOW by tknarr@mstdn.social
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       @ariadne Very much agree, borne out by experience.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu5x3Gb6bHCe0BGq by iagox86@infosec.exchange
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       @ariadne I've been sharing this a lot, which captures the problem quite well: https://ergosphere.blog/posts/the-machines-are-fine/
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu6AlhbCrvkDtLpw by demofox@mastodon.gamedev.place
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       @ariadne definitely.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu6AnTUcHppiilbE by jannem@fosstodon.org
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       @ariadne I write code because it's fun. Vibe coding would be like having a program play Stardew Valley for me - though writing that program would be fun 😁If you're experienced but it's not the fun part - a researcher doing data analysis, say - then I see the value. Get it done faster, get back to the fun.The scary one is beginners using it instead of learning for themselves. Especially when - like grad students - they really need to learn and to understand what the code is doing.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu6DGGKYVDTaCmkS by transistermel@girlcock.club
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       @ariadne I love thinking about the design and figuring it out. Way more fun than letting an AI just come up with some weird glob
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu6KsnzeUb79IAIS by mithriltabby@wandering.shop
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       @ariadne The elephant-goldfish process is supposed to help with ironing out the design document before the LLM starts coding. I've used it at work due to demands to use AI, but it takes all the joy out of software engineering. No flow states when supervising a gaggle of agents.
       
 (DIR) Post #B6zu6XyFKjZLhmwC5A by kevinashworth@mastodon.social
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       @ariadne We want (we need) a mix of tasks to work on. Some hard things that we finally figure out. Some easy wins. The fist pumps! The rabbit holes! The process!