Post B6WF4topB3VxqyEm0m by quercus@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #B6VqYp5soLQj26O8cC by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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With the evolution of batteries, it looks as though internal combustion engines will be relegated to some pretty narrow niches - if not supplanted entirely.But there's something about them that EVs can never really replace, and it doesn't seem to even have a name. Internal Combustion Engines are "alive" in a way that electric motors can never be.> That's just how you perceive it, humanDon't care. It's our world, technology should exist on our terms.Even if electric motors and batteries win every race, (video) is something they can never really do (unless through a pathetic bunch of fake technological theater).
(DIR) Post #B6VqYpGWAnw9Z5MdBw by lain@lain.com
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@cjd so you're saying ICEs will be the "vinyl just sounds warmer" of engines
(DIR) Post #B6VquDQHYFdKZM89VQ by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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I never thought of that comparison, but yes, I suppose so.I think speakers making music on demand are already kind of dead. Vinyl may add a small bit of ritual to that process, but they can't ever have the life that a guitar or a cello has by it's very construction...
(DIR) Post #B6Vs54akpEvsJslnRg by r000t@ligma.pro
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@cjdNeedless romantization of flawed, outdated technology we've grown past.It'd be a bit like saying "90s computers were more alive because they had super loud fans and hard drive clicks" or "VHS was more alive because of the wow effect"In fact, this video gave me huge Ren Faire and "millennial burger joint" vibes.
(DIR) Post #B6VtXQSzBnKSE2Dh5c by menherahair@eientei.org
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@r000t @cjd >90s computers were more alive because they had super loud fans and hard drive clicksTRVKE
(DIR) Post #B6VtXQf2SyyCpPrJsO by r000t@ligma.pro
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@menherahairNow go use one as your daily driver. Go on. @cjd
(DIR) Post #B6VyTnmb3cVp9UU4K8 by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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I think it's actually a form of "user experience" issue.Things like a wood fire require a lot of manual intervention to keep running correctly. And they give a lot of UX feedback, in the form of colors, sounds, smell, and radiation.This is something we find very appealing - probably we have even DNA at this point that makes us like a fire when it's going well.Engines are a little bit similar, they have a lot of failure modes - particularly early ones such as steam and simplistic oil engines. And they are continuously communicating with the user through sound/vibration.A lot of modern equipment doesn't need that much intervention so it doesn't need to communicate very much. But when it does, it's typically super autistic (popups, error messages, warning lights, buzzers, and the like).When we're trying to design things, we should always be aiming to communicate fluidly with the user, not only because it creates something of beauty, but because it reduces cognitive load on the user and helps them make better decisions.One challenge we face though is standardization. The sound of an engine struggling because you're climbing a hill in the wrong gear is defacto standardized because it's endemic to the design of the engine. However, the "sound" of battery state of charge or state of health is undefined, and if you define it in your product, there's no guarantee the next person will use the same definition...
(DIR) Post #B6WF4tKL0P80KPyQUa by ReadyKilowatt@noauthority.social
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@cjd "But there's something about them that EVs can never really replace,"The energy density and easy transfer of gasoline?
(DIR) Post #B6WF4tXoCJu50CHBUO by cjd@pkteerium.xyz
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Transfer rates of pumping gasoline are actually solved. The amount of voltage and amperage in the cables is terrifying, but it does work and it's in production now.Energy density of gasoline (30% usable) is about 4 kWh/kg, and current batteries are about 0.25 kWh/kg. 0.5 is in the lab, 1 is probably attainable this decade. However, nobody outside of aviation really cares.The BIG convenience of gasoline is you can carry it in a jerrycan. But again, the places where this is really important are very niche.EVs don't have to beat ICEs on every metric, they just have to win at enough to be a better deal. A horse can use grass as fuel, and grass grows everywhere - yet cars still replaced horses.
(DIR) Post #B6WF4topB3VxqyEm0m by quercus@poa.st
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The big downside of gasoline is that it has to be drilled out of the earth and produced in a refinery.Electricity can be produced almost everywhere with very little effort.Sure, the technological development ran differently (it was easier to transport fuel somewhere than to use electricity - many alpine huts had/have gas lighting for that reason), but today it is entirely possible to have off-grid electricity - not in a city and not for industrial purposes.
(DIR) Post #B6WF4u0sSF9iSLsOnY by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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Electricity requires digging in the earth too though, so I'm not following your logic here.
(DIR) Post #B6WFFmyOy9FTo8uS9Y by quercus@poa.st
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Not for the actual production, though.You can put a solar array somewhere in the bush and live off it. You can't make it there, that is part of what I meant with "industrial purposes".
(DIR) Post #B6WFFnCw66sIXDi3o8 by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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At the point of production of energy, gas doesn't require digging either.
(DIR) Post #B6WFiw1OPIKSGhCrBo by quercus@poa.st
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If the solar array factory stops working, all the already running arrays continue to work until their natural demise.If the refinery stops, it's a few weeks at most until everything dependent on fuel stops.
(DIR) Post #B6WFiwI3PLel6N0A9w by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
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All things break. I think you're applying two different standards or you're not clear on what standard you're applying, and it's causing you to misunderstand the costs and risks inherent in each form of potential energy.
(DIR) Post #B6XMVVwUwydySUQO2K by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@cjd @ReadyKilowatt if i'd have the time and space i'd get a horse ;)
(DIR) Post #B6XMVWBO3cYNCfOHFA by bonifartius@noauthority.social
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@cjd @ReadyKilowatt and, like i wrote, i think big part of the push for EV is that it makes control more easy. fuel is in a jerrycan, batteries are incompatible proprietary stuff. you won't get charge and you will like it and your neighbor can't help you.the only ones that will have IC engines will be the police etc. for precisely this reason.maybe i shoul take off the tinfoil for a while.
(DIR) Post #B6XMVWPZCttbue1bLU by scathach@stereophonic.space
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@bonifartius @cjd @ReadyKilowatt In theory EVs could make control a lot harder since they're much simpler and electricity is much easier to make than oil but sadly all automotive engineers these days seem to be terminally computer brained so EVs end up being even worse than new ICE cars