Post B6Kyx85uTuaTo2wWPY by h3@chaos.social
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(DIR) Post #B6KFqnH0U7GFYXjp0C by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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gettin’ myself banned from the rust github https://github.com/rust-lang/rust-forge/pull/1040#issuecomment-4460618392
(DIR) Post #B6KFqo4HWug01MnAo4 by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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Yannow I managed to find the strength not to follow “ethics don’t matter” guy to fedi to berate him but someone from that thread sure did that to berate me about being angry about it!!
(DIR) Post #B6KGlQKcSDKEuTQma8 by clarfonthey@toot.cat
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@Athena so I'm gonna actually defend jyn here for trying to get consensus despite the people stonewalling discussion despite thinking that sharing David's quote is indefensibleI wrote about that explicit quote in a blog post also: https://txt.ltdk.xyz/testing-the-limits-of-kindness/it is cowardly to exclude those topics from discussion, but that's not cowardice on jyn's behalf, it's on the behalf of the people defending LLMs who are responsible for getting the policy merged
(DIR) Post #B6KGlQX1i5FZWxEgvA by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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@clarfonthey I’ll give your post a read by as far as I can see the cowardice is on the part of the rust team, as a whole
(DIR) Post #B6KGlQj4zGtK8KsJhw by clarfonthey@toot.cat
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@Athena fwiw I agree with you, just, damage control atma large portion of the team is anti-LLM but a few key folks in charge are stonewalling discussion
(DIR) Post #B6KGlQwCCVNon10n9U by clarfonthey@toot.cat
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@Athena also just wanted to comment here because like the discussion was annoying enough as is and while I get the desire to just jump in and call people out it is extremely unhelpful and just leads to more work for the people who are ultimately on your side and have to work with everyone else
(DIR) Post #B6KGlR5PeEkvFbK9WC by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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@clarfonthey and I think you’re a coward doing fascists’ work for them🖕
(DIR) Post #B6KGlRFh20yllU8MXg by clarfonthey@toot.cat
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@Athena if you wanna think that, feel free, but I both have a full alternative policy which does not pull any punches and all you appear to have accomplished is locking the thread so now nobody can discuss anything in itI just know that when someone controls the space going in and making a mess does not accomplish anything besides you getting kicked out and the janitorial staff being very annoyed, which is kinda what's happening here
(DIR) Post #B6KGlRPcR6v2GGmI0u by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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@clarfonthey the rust team has demonstrated it’s gonna do what it wants and what it wants is bend over backwards to make language model addicts happy
(DIR) Post #B6KGqH7a7okHnCe7Y8 by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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@clarfonthey I really need to be taking more notes about who is revealing themselves to be so fucked up right nowWho else would you say, so that I can put them on my “never trust ever” list
(DIR) Post #B6KRV7dpH7Npo0qP9E by foolishowl@social.coop
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@Athena Stupid reductive utilitarianism has been the subject of satire since Dickens at least and technophiles do it straight.
(DIR) Post #B6KRV7rIT29uTn9A92 by foolishowl@social.coop
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@Athena Looking at it a bit more, the argument against basing their policy on ethics is a direct rejection of Kant's categorical imperative, that you should always act as if your decisions are a model for everyone else in an analogous situation. Kant deliberately doesn't take into account whether you will influence anyone.As with any major ethical school, it's easy to find counterexamples for Kant.But that's not relevant in this case, because the Rust Foundation *is* influential, and denying responsibility fails not just as an abstract question but on practical grounds.
(DIR) Post #B6KyZyUk0RChNDW4kS by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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boutta write my own fucking rfc
(DIR) Post #B6KyZyfjLZzhvIeqsS by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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give it to me and I’ll do what someone should’ve done 10 minutes ago.
(DIR) Post #B6KyZyqigimiTNnd0S by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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i wrote a thing https://parthen.online/notes/rust-llm-rfc/
(DIR) Post #B6KyZz5FogPXCSbEf2 by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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I cannot believe I have to say this but DON’T HARASS, THREATEN OR ESPECIALLY STALK ANYONE OVER THIS. Or any programming language shit. that’s not okay. What the fuck is wrong with you people.
(DIR) Post #B6Kyx85uTuaTo2wWPY by h3@chaos.social
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@Athena"we know we are putting them at risk, but these tiny child bodys fit in the small mining tunnels the best. we would loose a lot of productivity if we banned this praxis. NO ETHICS DISCUSSION PLEASE"
(DIR) Post #B6Kyx8qLhFja84fbnM by h3@chaos.social
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@Athena"we can talk about weather the productivity increase offsets the cost of the diaper washing plant tho"
(DIR) Post #B6Kz310BlNt5Y04bfU by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
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@Athena At least techbros are finally being honest. Wrong and evil, but at least they're honest about it.
(DIR) Post #B6Kz31MWQLkgfGWRTk by gimmechocolate@bark.lgbt
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@Athena am hella glad I've been moving towards zig lately!!! They have a strict no-llm policy there!
(DIR) Post #B6Kz31ahZd5vNF9la4 by cyon@ennexis.de
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@gimmechocolate @Athena Jep, i was never good at Rust, this takes the cake thoZig ftw
(DIR) Post #B6Kz31nSoBIq0p7xTM by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@cyon @gimmechocolate Rust is corpo stuff (Mozilla is as corpo as any other)…
(DIR) Post #B6L0CG3nFMH6oGjM1I by dandean@indieweb.social
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@Athena LLM people saw the scene in Snowerpiercer where the kid is part of the engine and were like "yeah, let's do that".
(DIR) Post #B6L0CGFUXrdHOYChFo by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@dandean @Athena never heard of it, but the Wikipedia page has…2026, seven years after the world becomes a frozen wasteland due to ecocide… and…Gemini will cause atmospheric erosion and bring an end to all of the remaining life on the planet… which is… fitting, if pulled out of context.
(DIR) Post #B6L0GhpTwYp05o9p20 by nicuveo@tech.lgbt
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@Athena "we shouldn't be using ethical concerns as a basis for policy" is an extremely succinct summary of 2026 so far, i'll give them that. but seriously, what the everlasting fuck.
(DIR) Post #B6L0Ldw7qPxJT1cRs0 by trashheap@tech.lgbt
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@Athena This depresses me greatly. LIKE Ive got no horse in this race with RUST; it's not a language ive bothered to learn. BUT I feel like this attitude is more or less where most large or even medium sized FLOSS projects are landing.
(DIR) Post #B6L0QSGeelRYizW3F2 by nothings@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@Athena I'm so tired of this. In my head anytime I see "ignoring the ethical concerns", I'm just going to think "you know who else ignores ethical concerns? sociopaths"Is that unfair to some people? I don't give a shit anymore. How unethical of me.
(DIR) Post #B6L4KuEGBRHNWa0OTQ by reiddragon@fedi.catto.garden
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@Athena That reasoning from the Rust devs... I'm sorry but how is it different from eugenics? Proponents of eugenics also had the betterment of the species as a stated goal. Both of them are putting aside ethical concerns in the name of apparent progress.Also, any statement that starts out with "Instead of using ethical concerns as a basis for policy" should have everything following discarded because it doesn't say anything important. You started out with stating you don't give a shit about ethics so quite frankly anything else you're saying is null and void
(DIR) Post #B6L4KuPbVGLy5lJS9g by rl_dane@polymaths.social
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@reiddragon @AthenaIs it just me or do the TESCREAL bipedal reptilloid types make eugenicists look almost sane?@mirabilos
(DIR) Post #B6L4KuaaqP8ydqSEHg by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@rl_dane @reiddragon @Athena pretty much they’re equal enough wrt eugenics, but TESCREALists often “excel” in more than one field
(DIR) Post #B6LgPIEcfWc5OTh5g8 by ShadSterling@mastodon.social
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@Athena I am suddenly less interested in their policy on LLMs and more interested in their policy on ethics. Excluding ethical concerns as a basis for policy is what you do when you know your preferred policies are unethical. Any project which accepts such an exclusion should be treated as a threat.
(DIR) Post #B6LoOk7IJoqjDAVyz2 by Athena@chaosfem.tw
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@ShadSterling the given reasoning is “well some people say it’s good so there’s no way to know if it’s really good or bad and we all just have to agree to disagree about the ethics”