Post B61p2rqr5tU7celBNw by mhoye@cosocial.ca
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 (DIR) Post #B61p2rqr5tU7celBNw by mhoye@cosocial.ca
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       It's kind of amazing how many veteran Linux greyhairs I've seen, downstream of the age-check-in-systemd decision, saying well I guess I need to get comfortable with a BSD now. Thirty plus years of deep-grooved Debian/RedHat muscle memory to a one, quietly tidying up and looking for the exits.
       
 (DIR) Post #B62BgdhFL5sWIRdRku by llorenzin@infosec.exchange
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       @mhoye I'm looking seriously at Alpine Linux vs Devuan...   We had to rebuild our internal server recently (which had been happily running CentOS 4 for over a decade, we are not power users), and it was a total PITA - systemd is a shitshow even without this age nonsense.  I'm too old and too cranky to be excited about learning a new distro, but here I am.
       
 (DIR) Post #B62BiRHEUBcOMCKFl2 by mason@partychickens.net
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       @mhoye Not that the BSDs are in any way a bad option, but don't forget that it's entirely reasonable to use Debian without systemd. I'm doing it now.It's well-supported by active volunteers:https://packages.debian.org/trixie/sysvinit-coreAnd there are other good options: Slackware and Alpine stand out. Gentoo is a bit heavy with its config syntax, but it's a super solid option.
       
 (DIR) Post #B62BiRUhg6OT1yd0kq by mcc@mastodon.social
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       @mason @mhoye yeah, but what *i'm* concerned about is "AI code assistant" use in systemd, and my understanding is dropping systemd won't help there (because the Linux kernel is also infected)
       
 (DIR) Post #B62TLt5wgwb99CRVKa by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @mhoye anything to avoid throwing the congressmen out of office for taking the heaps of dark money and passing the laws, i guess.
       
 (DIR) Post #B62TbkK74V0oZndCO8 by paul@notnull.space
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       @mhoye I still don't see how something like this could possibly be made to work.Windows, Mac, fine - stop a service running and the whole thing crashes, but open source OSes, almost by definition, are about user choice. Don't want something running in the background? Fine turn it off, no bother.If age verification is required, but likely is going to be on device, then we'll just make a service that says "Yes, over 18" when asked.If age verification requires a third party cloud service, then well done they've just broken the internet.
       
 (DIR) Post #B62TbkV6Pdnp7slyW8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @paul @mhoye some of them intend to require peter thiel get paid, yes. california's is just "make an api available to ask if the user is an adult" which is a reasonable ask. some of the other states asks are ridiculous (incl. some that are doing patently illegal speech infringement like saying anyone who has to comply with age regulation isn't allowed to talk about VPNs, and other jurisdictions bundling VPN bans alongside biometric age bills)
       
 (DIR) Post #B63WMnoOJVre4XJre4 by yeahyeahyens@det.social
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       @icedquinn @mhoye the lawmakers are just the guys from college back in the day, only they went to law school. And they’re friends with a lot of people who own companies, and you’re actually connected to them. It’s the same as it was back then: live and let live. there will never be a gen-x-nerd revolution.
       
 (DIR) Post #B63WMo2DU6vIlPmuC8 by icedquinn@blob.cat
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       @yeahyeahyens @mhoye union men threw cops in the harbor. the fuck do you mean "back then"
       
 (DIR) Post #B64L483LvbgP0fAdvM by cazabon@mindly.social
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       @mhoye I'm not leaving Linux, but I am leaving systemd.  I've been in the process, slowly, for quite some time, but took some real concrete steps more recently.  Then the systemd age field BS popped up and erased any remaining doubts I had.So, unless Debian brings back a non-systemd option, I'll be switching the remainder of my machines to Devuan.#Debian #Devuan
       
 (DIR) Post #B661BGZF3piug08Goa by david_chisnall@infosec.exchange
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       @mhoye There’s no such thing as 30 years of RedHat muscle memory. I used RedHat quite a lot from the late ‘90s until about 20 years ago. I had to use Fedora again about for years ago and nothing I remembered about administering the system still worked. In contrast, 90% of the things I learned 25 years ago the first time I used FreeBSD still work (though they aren’t always the best way of doing things anymore).