Post B5oC2c9H3SzneZmhSS by unaegeli@swiss.social
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 (DIR) Post #B5imKqWQmgKmqVqidE by murena@mastodon.social
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       Tired of Big Tech looking over your shoulder?Our community proves that there are other options.👉 How about Murena? https://murena.com #deGoogle
       
 (DIR) Post #B5ipBJrJ9iz6nalNfE by guenther@chaos.social
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       @murena no, that includes MicroG by default with no option to disable. Apparently, push notifications go via Google.Source (in German):https://yourdevice.ch/warum-murenas-e-os-eine-mogelpackung-ist/#Standardmassige_Aktivierung_von_MicroG
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2ahaQvFpAPp4fA by unaegeli@swiss.social
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       @guenther I don't completely agree with the text on this website: It is clear for us e/OS/ user what microG is, and we actually need it for certain apps like e-banking etc. The main advantage of e/OS/ ist the prevention of tracking.If you really want to refrain from Gougle as such, you need an OS like #ubports  (ubuntu touch,) #postmarket , #mobian   or #sailfish  may-be #IodeOS  @murena
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2b15GQqm8swe3M by unaegeli@swiss.social
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       @guenther ...and if you don't want to use the e/OS/ App Store, you easily can install F-Droid and/or Aurora.@murena
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2bHOHntUxSZfTE by guenther@chaos.social
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       @unaegeli I fell for their marketing and now the FP6 with @murena is the first phone I own that sends my push messages trough Google.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2bVZR5EjfRCzZY by unaegeli@swiss.social
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       @guenther Which push messages? SMS?I still use FP4, can't therefore evaluate the behaviour of FP6. And my main message app is Threema.@murena
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2bhGjaauFigKo4 by guenther@chaos.social
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       @unaegeli No, of course not SMS. All other apps though (Mastodon client, messaging apps). Normally, on phones with no Google services, these have to do what Android calls "running in foreground", which means they maintain a TCP connection to their own server at all times (and have to display a permanent notification in order not to be killed by the operating system). However, when Google services are available (like on @murena ), they don't do that.1/2
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2bv5uBeYwb9NM8 by guenther@chaos.social
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       @unaegeli @murena Instead, they have their server send the push notifications to google, and the operating system gets them from there, and wakes the app when there's one from their backend service. Google claims this saves battery since you only have one TCP connection open for all apps, but it also conveniently places them in the middle of all your communications and puts an extra burden on all developers who want to support Google-free android phones.2/2
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2c9H3SzneZmhSS by unaegeli@swiss.social
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       @guenther I never got such messages on my FP4. But good to know. I will continue to observe ubuntu touch (may-be with waydroid).@murena
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oC2cN6E43SLSFk0W by murena@mastodon.social
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       @unaegeli @guenther You can find all information about how microG anonymizes Google services, about push notifications and how to disable them in this documentation: https://doc.e.foundation/calls_to_google_servers.html
       
 (DIR) Post #B5oJvWDFWd2Gqklt0y by guenther@chaos.social
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       @murena"how to disable: Settings > System > Advanced > microG > Cloud messaging > disable"Aside from that menu path being wrong (it's "Settings > System > App compatibility > Cloud messaging", so it doesn't show up when you search for "Google" or "microG"), that switch is enabled and greyed-out, so it I click it nothing. At the bottom it says I'm connected. @unaegeli