Post B5nrCsFVwx6DRmkpBQ by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
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(DIR) Post #B5nfriPkDpInMqFPUG by 7666@comp.lain.la
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i have never seen the tyranny of the majority demonstrated so well
(DIR) Post #B5ngoeKR3WCLmVrlVw by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
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@7666 how's it demonstrating it? the people voting blue are giving the reds what they want anyway 🤔
(DIR) Post #B5ngoeXYGkgqRC0ExU by 7666@comp.lain.la
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@mirq anyone who doesn't push red is an idiot and deserves their fate
(DIR) Post #B5ngoejbXwKb2ZdrkG by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@7666 @mirq I'd push blue too, choice theorists would say everyone should go red but I think we should let people make irrational choices
(DIR) Post #B5njMz4adPc3sCxEG0 by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
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@7666 I unironically think the world would be comfier if everyone who pressed red died I also think that society as we know it would then collapse but I don't view that as a bad outcome
(DIR) Post #B5njMzTl7pkJ8GjKUK by 7666@comp.lain.la
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@mirq comfier living in ignorance? there is literally no downside to red except filtering "aww i'm doing the right thing!" morons who can't into math
(DIR) Post #B5njMzmXzym64XWKm0 by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
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@7666 One leads to everyone survivingThe other puts blood of millions on your handsEasy choice
(DIR) Post #B5njN00NAZpklPzNK4 by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@mirq @7666 yeah, red
(DIR) Post #B5nltNowMJslnlD9e4 by lebronjames75@shitposter.world
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@7666 honey, new trolley problem and included discussions just droppedi press both
(DIR) Post #B5nn0p7DNNSKR5s2JU by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la @mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org pushing blue is actually the rational choice because living in a world of red button pushers world be utterly insufferable
(DIR) Post #B5nn4PaeDiuMQfLg0m by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@anemone @7666 @mirq oh this is a good point. its one thing to be selfish, but why would you want to live with other people who are selfish?
(DIR) Post #B5nnM16xyE0riprOM4 by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @7666@comp.lain.la @mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org I’m being facetious, but imagine living in a society where everyone is a libertarian who posts on less wrong
(DIR) Post #B5nnX6klKn38PClNGS by sun@shitposter.world
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@anemone @7666 @georgia @mirq aren't all lesswrong "effective altruists" they're ok with state power I think.
(DIR) Post #B5nngo5RafhFPO3sRM by 7666@comp.lain.la
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@georgia @anemone @mirq putting myself in a position to potentially be killed by other people is not my idea of a good time and shouldn't be anyone else's.
(DIR) Post #B5nngoGQvoUFxTCeZM by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org the real question is whether you want to risk being killed or risk being responsible for killing billions of people. Different people will have different answers to that
(DIR) Post #B5nngoSUD080YqqHM8 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@anemone @7666 @mirq I dont care that much about being killed as a believer in reincarnation but I do care about the bad karma of choosing red
(DIR) Post #B5nnsIzl0xneSDsu48 by 7666@comp.lain.la
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@georgia @anemone @mirq it is wild that there is a clear path to not being killed in every scenario and yet the blood is on the hands of the people taking that path.
(DIR) Post #B5nnsJG42KqNGnVvU0 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@7666 @anemone @mirq well luckily for me most people are more compassionate than choice theorists
(DIR) Post #B5noBLxoCYyFAB3WUa by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@sun@shitposter.world @7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org I am just saying it’s valid to prefer death to living in a world where everyone is some version of the FTX polycule
(DIR) Post #B5noBM9VV4KPkSWrj6 by sun@shitposter.world
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@anemone @7666 @georgia @mirq fair
(DIR) Post #B5noPYrD3oAPCpkC1I by 7666@comp.lain.la
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@georgia @anemone @mirq i think you are so up your own ass that any sort of logical scenario that doesn't subscribe to some bleeding heart religious dogma is incomprehensible. a hundred years ago you'd probably make decisions by dowsing rod.
(DIR) Post #B5noU2buNf6sdsitlY by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@georgia @7666 @anemone @mirq i wonder how true this is
(DIR) Post #B5noWUgQyd2uHw0evI by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@georgia @7666 @anemone @mirq i wonder how many didnt get the question in OP but clicked blue anyway
(DIR) Post #B5noaDSaxEES1uJMvI by mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org
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@apollo you're putting yourself above others and you don't even have basic reading comprehension Fucking sick of faggota like you shitting up twknHere's a recap:I said society would collapse if everyone who pressed red diedYou said everyone who pressed red da smartestI agreed with you You disagreed with meDo you see how you're retarded or are you actully SO retarded that you still can't after such a simple explanation
(DIR) Post #B5noavS5OTy8T4PaEq by mischievoustomato@tsundere.love
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@7666 @anemone @georgia @mirq I'd press red because I don't wanna die, and the deaths of people that I most likely don't know doesn't matter to me. I reckon my friends and family (that I care about) would press red anyway, my mom especially lmfao.
(DIR) Post #B5noldaCAgzcEVJR44 by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@7666 @anemone @mirq wanting more people to live isnt bleeding heart religious dogma, I'd genuinely feel guilty if I chose red and many people died because of it. feeling that kind of guilt for billions of deaths is worse than death for me. your remark is dripping with antipathy towards me though (cmon, a dousing rod?), and I'm not sure what the source of that antipathy is. I just think that not only smart self-interested people should live.
(DIR) Post #B5npAKdJlMBShXY2zI by Alex@boymilk.cafe
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It's not so much about selfishness as much as it is about literacy. The objectively correct choice is to press red. With how this question is presented, there is absolutely no reason to press blue, other than thinking "well some people might press blue without reading the question so we should all press blue just in case". Putting yourself in what could potentially be a life threatening scenario to save a theoretical person who may or may not exist isn't healthy. I've seen a variant of this question that is, imo, much better - it labels the switches "good" and "evil" instead of "blue" and "red". It's a lot easier to rationalize that a lot of people will feel pressured to press the "good" button purely because it's labeled good imo, and helps show how much the way something is presented alters our actions based on our internalized biases. Simply presenting something as "the good choice" will push people to pick it without thinking beyond that. Like in a video game where you get good boy points for doing something morally awful just because the game's devs thought it was a good thing, so everyone just does the good boy points option and then complains online that they feel bad about being forced to do bad things to get the biggest good boy point number possible.
(DIR) Post #B5npghmxCtPrmcUa9I by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
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@georgia @7666 @mirq choice theorists have no morals so who gives a fuck what they think anyway
(DIR) Post #B5npghzMSlLCP6IUUK by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
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@georgia @7666 @mirq maybe "I think everyone should get to live" is a perfectly rational thing to prioritize actually. maybe "rational" doesn't mean "selfish to the exclusion of all else". maybe modern "rationalists" are hacks who think their own subjective preferences are "objectively correct" and "rational" yet /still/ can't meaningfully cross the fact-value gap. oops!!can't stand this tpot crap
(DIR) Post #B5nqPuDlpVlZNCaYxk by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@patchuun @7666 @mirq to me its literally just a question of, would you live knowing that many others would be more likely to die because you chose to live? or would you risk death for others? it doesnt matter if those others are irrational or not to me. now it just says "would die", which I assumed would be instant and painless. if it said "would be tortured horribly" I would pick red, I'm incredibly pain-averse.
(DIR) Post #B5nrCsFVwx6DRmkpBQ by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
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@georgia @7666 @mirq I'd still pick blue but I would volunteer to be the omelas child so I admittedly am an outlier
(DIR) Post #B5nrHEKTnZV55N9bPM by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@patchuun @7666 @mirq I read that short story as a kid, youre talking about the utopian city right?
(DIR) Post #B5nrqvckp02nUtiwdM by technolyze@whinge.town
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@patchuun @7666 @georgia @mirq >but my niche ideology will rise from the ashes of the new red button world
(DIR) Post #B5nsfkVxszsloJmW1I by patchuun@social.xenofem.me
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@georgia @7666 @mirq "utopian" is a strong word, it's a "utopia" with a dark secret that the society's prosperity and happiness somehow entirely hinges on the unrelenting torture of a child. it's an obvious allegory for colonialism and imperial plunder and in that sense I think it's a great story. but as an autist I also can't help but interface with things on a literal level, and on the literal level my takeaway isn't "the ones who refuse to partake in opulence if it's at the expense of an individual's extreme suffering are the best of us", it's "god, I wish I could guarantee everyone alive at the same time as me has a perfect life where they need and want for nothing just with the relatively minor price of my own individual suffering"
(DIR) Post #B5nsvk1RU4tcuv89AW by georgia@netzsphaere.xyz
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@patchuun @7666 @mirq even when I was a kid I decided I would much rather live in a society where some are miserable (that I didnt know already tortures some children) while everyone else is fairly okay than a society where one child is tortured for me to be very happy. you are a much better person than me though gosh.
(DIR) Post #B5o4sTOO3Y55vC4RQ8 by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@Alex@boymilk.cafe well some people might press blue without reading the question so we should all press blue just in casedisingenuous and you know it
(DIR) Post #B5o4sTdd8sH4gTCcBE by gav@cawfee.club
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@anemone @Alex why the hell else would you be pressing blue?
(DIR) Post #B5o547xnYPPGw6Bur2 by pernia@cum.salon
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@7666 @mirq "erm, if you don't the theoretical game theory framework for this scenario you are a GOY. no you CAN'T save all of humanity, you CAN'T MAKE SELFLESS CHOICES"
(DIR) Post #B5o54898sETrVHUyXI by Merc@freerobuxextremist.com
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@pernia @7666 @mirq I chose red because I want to live and I'd rather live in a world of reds because I'd trust they're rationalists
(DIR) Post #B5o548Lu6mgm8rTAQa by pernia@cum.salon
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@Merc @7666 @mirq i feel it boils down to feeling bad for blues. cuz like, if everyone chose red, it'd be as if 50%+ chose blue. the poor blue bastards, filtered out by the arbitrary hypothetical scenario 7666 placed upon humanity from his evil death star.
(DIR) Post #B5o548Z1K1BGnXbds8 by Merc@freerobuxextremist.com
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@pernia @7666 @mirq if I had kids I'd probably pick blue. Until they're like 5 and have a working brain, I guess. Idk if you start to consider humans who are currently incapable of thinking but will be in the future, then it becomes a lot easier to go for blue.
(DIR) Post #B5o548kMdqFrMiuhYO by gav@cawfee.club
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@Merc @7666 @pernia @mirq why wouldnt you tell your kids to pick red?
(DIR) Post #B5o5mE0qQOL2RGdxB2 by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@gav@cawfee.club @Alex@boymilk.cafe it's not "some people might press blue" a lot of people would definitely press blue
(DIR) Post #B5o61GHkG1dRpZibui by Merc@freerobuxextremist.com
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@gav @7666 @pernia @mirq I would, but if they're like a day old they won't understand.
(DIR) Post #B5o90yEJgcJHhCfS76 by anemone@ebiverse.social
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@7666@comp.lain.la @georgia@netzsphaere.xyz @mirq@tsogol.tsiran.org technically you do that every time you leave the house
(DIR) Post #B5o90yTukcmqTZxuQS by hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info
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@anemone @7666 @georgia @mirq technically it's your choice to live in martin luther king jr. blvd