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(DIR) Post #B5l34PmYWQ3Koj3uoC by Blender@mastodon.social
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Welcome Anthropic as a Corporate Patron sponsor of the Blender Foundation’s Development Fund! This support will be dedicated towards general Blender core development. More details at https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-corporate-patron/ #b3d #DevFund
(DIR) Post #B5l7Kq3326GyjIrZZY by lumi@snug.moe
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@Blender no-one wants this shit. please reconsider
(DIR) Post #B5lB7lsjbysxrO40lU by Blender@mastodon.social
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Make sure to check out the full message on https://www.blender.org/press/anthropic-joins-the-blender-development-fund-as-corporate-patron/ and the funding policy at https://fund.blender.org/funding-policy/ to get the complete picture.
(DIR) Post #B5lB7mNZlJYVP2Udpw by aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@Blender I have read both and I still don't understand why Blender is accepting financial dependence on a corporation that is actively destroying the open web with scraping, fueling the ongoing slop contribution denial of service attack against foss maintainers, is a major player in the industry that is actively harming digital artists, and numerous other harms; nor do I understand how you expect us not to be angry and heartbroken by this news. Perhaps you could explain it to us.
(DIR) Post #B5lB7nR9pU0ygRB13g by aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@Blender This is a company whose technology is actively being used to bomb people randomly. This is one of the companies fueling the demand for overproduction of data centers, which in turn is bringing coal plants back online to meet the electricity demands. They have done so much harm to everybody in this world, I don't think we are going to be able to fully heal from it for decades.
(DIR) Post #B5lB7nua45YC9gwVv6 by aeva@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@Blender *everybody* in your mentions right now has been harmed by anthropic. *you* the human being reading this post has been harmed by anthropic.
(DIR) Post #B5lBNhmWciyFmEl0Fs by enigmatico@mk.absturztau.be
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@Blender@mastodon.social For what? So that you can add AI slop tools to Blender? No thank you, I will use an old version that does not implement these or use a fork that straight up removes these. And dont expect people to be happy with this, you're going to lose supporters because of this.These companies are cancer, AI is cancer, and you know it.
(DIR) Post #B5lBUqQsrFsmdP2TWi by lumi@snug.moe
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@Blender the minimal morally defensible position is to reject genai entirely. it's inherently abusive technology, built on mountains of violence and has the purpose of devaluing humanityif you want anthropic to sponsor you, sure, but then also have a full genai ban and a hostile stance against it
(DIR) Post #B5lCEa0iFO391UbcTA by miss_rodent@girlcock.club
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@Blender I did. Accepting money from a plagiarism-as-a-service company is still overwhelmingly disrespectful to artists. Your policies do not make this okay, Anthropic has no place in any community that even pretends to care about artists and creatives. Whoever approved this should still be fired.
(DIR) Post #B5lCEbJBQCQ134Fstk by miss_rodent@girlcock.club
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@Blender Point to your policies all you want. The correct choice here is to not accept the money, and to tell Anthropic & their ilk to go away. Take a meaningful stance against the companies that are actively hurting and stealing from the artists that depend on tools like blender. Welcoming them, accepting their money, is a clear signal that you care more about the money than the people they harm - including many of your own users - to get it.
(DIR) Post #B5lCccpFQrnyhhi16O by snow@cofe.rocks
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anthropic should sponsor me insteadi promise i will waste it all on cofe and weedRE: https://mastodon.social/@Blender/116482997785333001
(DIR) Post #B5lEB2BZka5t9n7kDg by domi@donotsta.re
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@snow waow… based…
(DIR) Post #B5lFJvdtXzB9QLAv2W by Erpel@hai.z0ne.social
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@snow@cofe.rocks can I help with the coffee? :neofox_bottom:
(DIR) Post #B5lG3P5guDPhmsrQEy by AdmiralPotato@dc801.space
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@Blender you guys... I have been financially supporting you for like 15 years, and I help run the SLC Blender User Group to promote free and open tools for everyone. Reading this breaks my heart. As an artist who's art has been stolen by this plagiarism machine, and as a coder who's code has been stolen by this plagiarism machine, this feels like a pretty hard slap in the face. Your community doesn't want you taking dirty money like this from unethical tech bros. Please reconsider.
(DIR) Post #B5lGesaWCNMHzC9LIu by puniko@mk.absturztau.be
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@Blender@mastodon.social really dissappointing. i know money is needed, but even then, AI corpos should never be allowed to come anywhere close to projects used to create art. you are basically alienating most artists using your software, your core user base. i'm pretty sure you don't really want that, so you should reconsider this decision
(DIR) Post #B5lHbGkGXa61hiYF4y by domi@donotsta.re
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@Seirdy they’re literally sucking out venture capital under no obligation to actually change anythinglike come on. you don’t automagically become bad just because you took money someone donated to you
(DIR) Post #B5lIsfBP2EMyND6Piq by domi@donotsta.re
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if you’re angry at blender getting sponsored by anthropic: they’re also sponsored by nvidia, amd, intel, meta, adobe, google, and at least one other AI startup. https://fund.blender.org/if you really think that a corporate sponsorship is gonna change the goals of an independent foundation, you’re not hypothetically ignorant; We already have data that disproves your thesis.RE: https://donotsta.re/objects/be8a4529-4f66-4d0b-ad78-c9bfb0ae603b
(DIR) Post #B5lIzvjftHALjob8cK by domi@donotsta.re
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if y’all are gonna bitch about blender getting more money, then you should REALLY bitch about all the other open source projects getting sponsored by (objectively shitty) corporations. Because all we need in 2026 is more leftist in-fighting
(DIR) Post #B5lJFX5lHcPLwLMvnU by domi@donotsta.re
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“damn, i wish the bubble already popped”*blender gets sposored by anthropic”“BUT NOT LIKE THIS” <– this is how you look like
(DIR) Post #B5lJGjAFspyJfi2Z4i by asie@mk.asie.pl
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@domi@donotsta.re I think by late 2026 we will reach the slop singularity - it will be functionally impossible to build essentially any production level software outside of niche environments (think MirBSD or 9front) without LLM generated code somewhere in the chain
(DIR) Post #B5lJLIgzjVJX1CXCtc by mwl@io.mwl.io
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@domi giving blender money is one of the best things anthropic has ever done.I've pondered starting a massive bubble just to funnel money to worthy projects.
(DIR) Post #B5lJQrY3ZE9oZO0RMW by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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@domi Well for me only reason it's a bit concerning is how the announcement reads like praise to Anthropic, but not really the kind of thing to get much worked up about for now.Like would be way more concerning coming from new orgs or ones with governance issues.
(DIR) Post #B5lJYSjhhaKlvu4tPM by lumi@snug.moe
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@domi i feel that this outrage could be used to get people to push blender to get a clear policy against genaiand even if that fails, it gets people together and makes a stance
(DIR) Post #B5lJYvtHJ4DwLzmRrE by domi@donotsta.re
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@lanodan they went and corrected themselves twice. and hell, i respect people who are good at software (blender sure as FUCK is /gen /pos) but not at social media
(DIR) Post #B5lJlUHzEuGKVvKANs by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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@asie @domi how many years until all of our software stacks fall apart, and the whole field of IT is forced to move a few decades back in the tech tree and try again?
(DIR) Post #B5lJqtvxJwHjUtbJh2 by domi@donotsta.re
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@wolf480pl @asie haha… yes…. i’ve been preparing for this all my life… what’s retro is new again!
(DIR) Post #B5lJtVfZzTRX71BWeu by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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@domi My point wasn't about the social media stuff, but about the press article with this section:> Anthropic is an AI research and development company that creates reliable, interpretable, and steerable AI systems. Anthropic’s flagship product is Claude, a large language model trusted by millions of users worldwide.
(DIR) Post #B5lK2b7N6TCOcFWAds by domi@donotsta.re
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@Seirdy that sucks, but causation is not correlation
(DIR) Post #B5lKLPkhaJTarst2pM by pj@donotsta.re
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@asie @domi Linux kernel devs use LLM so if you use recent enough Linux, that is already the case
(DIR) Post #B5lKLPuyy5hRNlhFqq by asie@mk.asie.pl
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@pj@donotsta.re @domi@donotsta.re (amdgpu developers are also using Claude Code, so that takes care of most BSDs)
(DIR) Post #B5lKOwyQWba4lrzb7o by art_codesmith@toot.cafe
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@domi How is Anthropic funding Blender improve the chances of the bubble popping in any way?
(DIR) Post #B5lKOx7zx1ElFYTF2m by domi@donotsta.re
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@art_codesmith they’re throwing money away, while already being millions in debt. and so is every player in the industry. tick-tock.
(DIR) Post #B5lL01buFSalrm8Zhg by art_codesmith@toot.cafe
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@domi Okay but...You do realize that donations to FOSS projects won't kill them, right?That the first thing they'll do is stop the donations?Heck, that they might *use* the donations to get more investment? "Anthropic sponsors Blender, the biggest and baddest in FOSS 3D modeling space" is a big talking point.
(DIR) Post #B5lL01qRNQDaaqwBMG by domi@donotsta.re
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@art_codesmith if they stop the donations - who cares? this drama will get forgotten in two weeks, two months tops; and blender’s income sources are so diversified that one anthropic stopping funding isn’t enough to kill them.as for investment - I severily doubt that potential investors in anthropic will know what “blender” is. but even if they do - if you’d read the article I linked, you’d know that sooner or later (hint: sooner) the investment firms are gonna run out of funds to continue throwing money at the wall, and their product isn’t profitable in ANY way.Anthropic will die. There’s not enough money in the world to save their business strategies.
(DIR) Post #B5lL56nUOK1bOuylzU by crazazy@tiny.tilde.website
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@lanodan @domi this statement about anthropic looks like something you find in a press kit. I don't think blender's appreciation of them doesn't go any further than being thankful for the money they give
(DIR) Post #B5lL9TiD8VpHd1ast6 by Blender@mastodon.social
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Note: partially reworded the social media announcement so it sounds less tone-deaf about the controversial nature of the membership.
(DIR) Post #B5lL9UBHOR4v5BC6CG by mhoye@cosocial.ca
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@Blender Yes, the problem is definitely the tone.
(DIR) Post #B5lLh4mqJYDIAamUng by KayOhtie@blimps.xyz
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@domi I feel like people don't realize the corps reputation-launder via philanthropy far, far more than they do to influence the recipient themselves. Do they want influence? Sure, but the positive press being done for them about "look at what this corp did for this little group!" pays dividends more.Like if folks wanna be upset go find what extremely recent thing Anthropic is trying to bury with positive press instead, that's the real story here. Any bonus infighting is just a useful distraction for them.
(DIR) Post #B5lLh4zxWmhmpGuyFE by domi@donotsta.re
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@KayOhtie yes but you can’t even blame blender for accepting money here, there’s 100 other orgs in line for it and there’s no way in hell all of them would declinecorpo will get their laundering whether we want it or not
(DIR) Post #B5lLiWHPa6Y1jAlfIu by eloy@hsnl.social
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@domi it makes a lot of sense because this is what Anthropic is doing to sentences fetched from the internet
(DIR) Post #B5lLm2qMxy2hainf3g by domi@donotsta.re
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@eloy there are like 3 good posts in this whole trainwreck of a thread and all of them are ol-tele employees cracking jokes
(DIR) Post #B5lLmcARdJth97Sgi0 by jn@boopsnoot.de
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@eloy @domi crazy lighting and material details in that scene!
(DIR) Post #B5lLqTM4L8CmyNjqVc by domi@donotsta.re
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@jn @eloy NES ad voice yo check out those graphics this BFDL
(DIR) Post #B5lLqnX5JsttYL2vSK by KayOhtie@blimps.xyz
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@domi yup, 10000%.Apologies if I sounded like I was blaming Blender, definitely wasn't my intent.
(DIR) Post #B5lMwn4q1hNZpcFtku by eloy@hsnl.social
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@domi I do have a feeling that Wacom is buying some influence here though
(DIR) Post #B5lMwnIfCIREWUiwIy by jn@boopsnoot.de
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@eloy @domi honestly, fine. i have no gripes with wacom, they make an actual product with real uses, not just an upgrade cycle subscription hellhole
(DIR) Post #B5lMwnXuHcdDHlr744 by eloy@hsnl.social
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@domi should research if stylus related pull requests get merged faster after they started sponsoring
(DIR) Post #B5lN6ur3xnVUqkdlTM by CIMB4@norden.social
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@domi what i've seen in the comments under the blender post is not infighting tho. it is a broad consensus that it's bad. that they are sponsored by other evil companies and that other projects also get sponsored by bad companies are strawman arguments or essentially whataboutism.that's my take on it :ablobcathappypaws:
(DIR) Post #B5lN6vaRF5nr7Ts0CO by domi@donotsta.re
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@CIMB4 reminder: blender isn’t a faceless corp. there are humans behind that account. our people.i’ve seen plenty really hateful comments today. i can’t fucking imagine what they’re going through in the project right now. this must be maintainer hell. I don’t wish this upon my worst enemies.
(DIR) Post #B5lN9XXt5E1JQTvFiK by biglinter@mastodon.social
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@domi mind you.. the week is just two days old...
(DIR) Post #B5lN9XjaNjNU0lOawq by domi@donotsta.re
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@biglinter re-read my post, i think it’s sick and cool that they got the $$$
(DIR) Post #B5lNIB9zgHOCbarjt2 by eloy@hsnl.social
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@domi @snow eth0 sponsored by anthropic5 billion tostis teleported
(DIR) Post #B5lNIBQegKiVRGf2rA by snow@cofe.rocks
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@eloy @domi slop tostisslostis..
(DIR) Post #B5lNIBd3wCdq3kSxCC by eloy@hsnl.social
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@snow @domi cheese and ham on the outer side, two slices bread in the middle
(DIR) Post #B5lNIBoPG1iQcvm0sS by q66@gts.q66.moe
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@eloy @snow @domi cheese and ham that is grilled on the outside sounds pretty good actuallythe sad part is not having any inside to bind it together
(DIR) Post #B5lNIC1AUZvLGVkClk by snow@cofe.rocks
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@q66 @eloy @domi what ifcheese on outside AND inside:meowhyperthink: we will have to conduct some tosti experiments at eth0
(DIR) Post #B5lNICEdgUhPwI2xlY by langoor@outerheaven.club
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@snow @domi @q66 @eloy cheese on outside results in an immediate ban from using the grill.
(DIR) Post #B5lNICSSr5l4dAW0Jc by snow@cofe.rocks
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@langoor @domi @q66 @eloy :sad:
(DIR) Post #B5lNICc2HVPl6qzeEa by eloy@hsnl.social
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@snow @domi @q66 @langoor snow is now going to bring her own tosti ijzer for in the hackcenter
(DIR) Post #B5lNIClFjEmrZRJ0bI by snow@cofe.rocks
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@eloy @domi @q66 @langoor well we already used one of my tostiijzers last year so ig yes :D i can do whatever i want on that one hehehe
(DIR) Post #B5lNIQEnch97MqEHxY by radex@social.hackerspace.pl
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@domi infighting is our favorite pastime
(DIR) Post #B5lNZWUNdNRVg7fhPU by steph@fedi.steph.tools
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@langoor @snow @domi @q66 @eloy I had an old classmate who would do this and all the fat in the cheese actually makes it not stick to the iron and just to the bread, its really clean actually
(DIR) Post #B5lNZWf0zpwwD6eBzE by langoor@outerheaven.club
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@steph @snow @domi @q66 @eloy I do not believe this after seeing and cleaning the tostiijzer at the CCCHH village @WHY.
(DIR) Post #B5lNZWrmEO9qqgcNsW by steph@fedi.steph.tools
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@langoor @snow @domi @q66 @eloy im not hungry rn otherwise I'd make a tosti rn just to show you its possibleBut then again people will know how to make an mess regardless, I think the main problem is just using waaaay too much cheese, regardless of where you put that (inside or outside)
(DIR) Post #B5lNZX37YDERPrvRYm by domi@donotsta.re
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@steph @langoor @snow @q66 @eloy steph you can make me a tosty, i’m hungry :neocat_pleading:
(DIR) Post #B5lNloivfDqbhuL4sa by CIMB4@norden.social
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@domi being an asshole online is never excusable, regardless of your position on an issue. i can stand by that.that does not mean i have to change my position and step back because someone on 'my team' has said something hateful. there's plenty well-mannered, critical but respectful comments or people who just show their discontent by commenting "no."
(DIR) Post #B5lNlp6KGEYwsTHlLc by domi@donotsta.re
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@CIMB4 i didn’t say you had to step back! i wasn’t attempting to pull a strawman on you, this is one coherent argument in my mind
(DIR) Post #B5lNn11FR2TE89Tkhs by eloy@hsnl.social
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@steph @langoor @snow @domi @q66
(DIR) Post #B5lNoGGqDRhBioMnCa by steph@fedi.steph.tools
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@domi @snow @q66 @eloy @langoor come over I have a loaf of my dad's sourdough
(DIR) Post #B5lNqHs3EmjVGPjm3U by domi@donotsta.re
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@steph @snow @q66 @eloy @langoor my dayjob is apparently tostiphobic (i need to go to work tomorrow morning)
(DIR) Post #B5lNrYZKdjhRLEaRLU by snow@cofe.rocks
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@eloy @steph @langoor @domi @q66 ordering that as a sticker immediatelyi need this on my laptop
(DIR) Post #B5lNsDKX5fDtlCyhTE by eloy@hsnl.social
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@snow @domi @steph @q66 @langoor pls I need to properly fix the Intel logo font first
(DIR) Post #B5lO7FGWB3n26eGebg by domi@donotsta.re
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@eloy @snow @steph @q66 @langoor STATUS OF THIS STICKER This sticker is submitted as an Internet-Draft. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF). Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. The list of current Internet- Drafts is at https://datatracker.ietf.org/drafts/current/. Internet-Drafts are sticker documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other stickers at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to stick them other than as "work in progress." This sticker will expire on 30 October 2026.
(DIR) Post #B5lOrzWKXCNYstxCb2 by snow@cofe.rocks
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@domi @steph @q66 @eloy @langoor you need to switch to remote work so you can attend more ol-tele teamtostibuilding
(DIR) Post #B5lOtzq8JltkSEAlg8 by domi@donotsta.re
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@snow @steph @q66 @eloy @langoor need to meet my tosti goals for Q2…
(DIR) Post #B5lPVakk2TcneWZsOm by jn@boopsnoot.de
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@domi @snow @steph @q66 @eloy @langoor øl teletosti, now with ISDN
(DIR) Post #B5lQwiTRXZExN6z5dY by wolf480pl@mstdn.io
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@CIMB4@domi if they're sponsored by other evil companies and they've already become corrupted by them, taking money from one more evil company won't change muchif they're sponsored by other evil companies, have been for a long time, and haven't been corrupted yet, then it's unlikely taking money from one more evil company will corrupt them
(DIR) Post #B5lRNYJNQpuLfl4Xy4 by anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz
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@Blender congrats on securing funding, I get this is important for opensource projects.personally I don't get the outrage, Meta, Wacom, Nvidia, Microsoft, AMD, Adobe, Apple, and Netflix weren't scary enough but Anthropic does it? :dragnthaenk: how do people think opensource projects get funded
(DIR) Post #B5lRNZCK8XrOQAmQc4 by ChocoDrawing@mastodon.social
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@anthropy @Blender while those companies are scummy as hell, at least they produce a product.anthropic essentially just walks into public art exibits, takes shitty photos without asking the artist and then sells those as prints at low prices driving the original artist out of buisness.They literally cannot function without theft.
(DIR) Post #B5lRNZSHBEcXDeFATg by anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz
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@ChocoDrawing @Blender most of those companies have produced image generators of their own.I get why artists are upset about genAI, but then why not get some money from that branch back to the artists? as long as blender doesn't make blender worse, I don't see any (new) issue to be honest
(DIR) Post #B5lRNZgSKVxlvcsUa0 by ChocoDrawing@mastodon.social
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@anthropy @Blender I was under the impression that an opensource art-tool had an actual spine. That software made for artists actually respected art(and human life, anthropic literally helped the US bomb schoolkids ffs) The morally correct choice would have been to publicly announce that they refused.They have funding, they don't NEED that money. But like so many others they chose greed over integrity, they sold their users/souls for a quick buck.I'm not surprised, just disapointed.
(DIR) Post #B5lRNZxTJFZemOq56O by anthropy@mastodon.derg.nz
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@ChocoDrawing @Blender I mean, not to be rude, but have you literally ever donated to blender yourself? I'm just saying, statistically the chance is very low, and these things do need funding.As far as I can tell by their blogpost this is just about API expansions which will be welcome for anyone who writes scripts that interact with blender.(also just to nitpick, AFAIK was Anthropic the one who said 'no' to US defense contracts, and OpenAI jumped on that opportunity instead)
(DIR) Post #B5lWSkkL7szRSPz16W by fsiddi@mstdn.social
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All right, Francesco here - CEO at Blender. I'm going to spend some time to try and respond. If you have direct questions or comments, reply here!
(DIR) Post #B5lWSl4Xul9YT5R9bE by noondlyt@hellions.cloud
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@fsiddi Why take corporate money? Why take THIS corporate money? Why not throw this out to the Blender community at large and include them in this decision BEFORE accepting this money? The complete disregard for user's very valid concerns with regard to AI and especially Anthropic AI money in a beloved FOSS project is insulting in the current world. How could you not foresee the blowback?
(DIR) Post #B5lWSlOkhdJfTktI5w by fsiddi@mstdn.social
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@noondlyt Blender has accepted a lot of corporate funding over the years. In the press release we try to make it clear that this donation will be used at Blender's discretion, but the origin of the donation is very much not appreciated ideed.
(DIR) Post #B5lWSlbVwBWa7KrTzE by lumi@snug.moe
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@fsiddi @noondlyt i believe blender should have a full ban on any genai contributions and should have an outwardly hostile stance against this technologywhy? because it's abusive technology created using lots of violence with the purpose of devaluing humanitythe whole discussion of where the money came from is valid, and i also do not think accepting money from anthropic is morally okay. but at least be morally consistent in rejecting this abusive technology
(DIR) Post #B5leBun1Kd6lJfidmq by titania@retro.pizza
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@fsiddi sure, I'll bite.1). Did you do any market research whatsoever before deciding to tank your reputation? 2). Are you planning to use Claude to draft your resignation letter in light of how badly you screwed up?
(DIR) Post #B5leBv9hyHFwS2Kl9M by fsiddi@mstdn.social
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@titania I definitely got some negative feedback , comparable to past corporate memberships. Which is normal, and once clarifying that this is just a donation, there was understanding.
(DIR) Post #B5leBvbiI9epqtR7nk by jack@mastodon.sdf.org
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@fsiddi @titania Just a donation, right? RIGHT?So I guess this announcement from today is completely unrelated:https://www.anthropic.com/news/claude-for-creative-work#Blender #Slop
(DIR) Post #B5lh541athLnnGxc2a by gruni@mastodon.gamedev.place
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@Blender It's not the announcement, that's tone-deaf. It's the actual acceptance of dirty money by a bad actor that's tone-deaf.Just in case you forgot: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y4jpg922qoThey paid $1.5bn because they were IRREFUTABLY CAUGHT PIRATING.
(DIR) Post #B5liwKRuf6Qo2GEXB2 by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@Blender Honestly, I'm not sure which shocks me more: the sponsorship itself, or the fact that you're announcing it happily and proudly without considering how problematic it might be for your community. Unfortunately, I'll take this as a sign of a pro-AI cultural shift at the Blender Foundation. What a disappointment.
(DIR) Post #B5lrsOf7xGMJX0c91k by winet@mastodon.ml
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@davidrevoy @Blender by your logic blender was always evil: https://fund.blender.org/. Adobe, Nvidia, meta, amd, meshy.ai, they're sponsoring blender development for a long time, but it's not an issue for you?
(DIR) Post #B5mQN28r8Glf6VIefI by art_codesmith@toot.cafe
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@domi So, all this considered - why even accept a donation from Anthropic at all? A dying company, with basically no cash to call their own - what's the point?
(DIR) Post #B5mQN2bvOC1IYetryS by radex@social.hackerspace.pl
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@art_codesmith @domi we each must do our tiny part to hasten the collapse. If Anthropic offered me money to do FOSS, I'd take it.
(DIR) Post #B5mQN2qoUpvhIprlBI by radex@social.hackerspace.pl
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@art_codesmith @domi There's no great moral victory in refusing to take free money from those who have a lot of it
(DIR) Post #B5mQN329of0Hs1AorY by art_codesmith@toot.cafe
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@radex @domi So… might as well take money from Palantir and Lockheed Martin, right? Fly their logos too. Money doesn’t smell, huh?
(DIR) Post #B5mQN3CRCRE8Ntz1t2 by domi@donotsta.re
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@art_codesmith @radex oh fuck off
(DIR) Post #B5mbozfP1jvv223fzE by agile@wehavecookies.social
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@davidrevoy @Blender The one thing that should be kept in mind is according to the Funding Policy, "The Blender Development Fund is a donation platform. Individuals and organizations contribute to support Blender's development without acquiring decision-making power over the project's direction."There have been sponsors like Nvidia, Intel, AMD, etc before. While they aren't directly AI companies, they are now involved with that. While money can certainly influence, they aren't taking control of the project. I do understand your concern, I just wanted to present it from another perspective
(DIR) Post #B5mbozue747tnJBqkK by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@agile Yes, but editing the picture to put their logos on the same line, side by side, writing an official blog post without a critic or a paragraph to acknowledge the risk (eg. writing they'll go extra careful about it, that community don't need to worry), all of that looks more to me like unfolding a red carpet and being happy and proud about it, or part of the deal, and a serious blind spot (intentional or not) about knowing their community.
(DIR) Post #B5nJVjrvw29cW5Y3iC by fsiddi@mstdn.social
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@davidrevoy the initial tone definitely did not help, but I see that there is a much deeper issue here.
(DIR) Post #B5nJZDiVPwxLxOna0O by Layan2002@mastodon.social
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@davidrevoy @Blender 🤔
(DIR) Post #B5nKr6PdPhqaTB3wjw by davidrevoy@framapiaf.org
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@fsiddi Definitely for the tone. It felt a bit cold and corporate. I'm sure a follow up post (maybe more personal?) can fix it, maybe mentioning how the team feels about this sponsor, or a reminder about your policy for how sponsors are not influencing your decisions (I know it exists).Also, the header picture, with logo side by side made me sad; it visually conveyed "a collab", " a partner". It felt like unrolling the red carpet for a company that doesn't deserve it, imo.Good luck with it.
(DIR) Post #B5pzuNaYUiOX2ulunw by fsiddi@mstdn.social
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@davidrevoy working on it!
(DIR) Post #B5rKSwZx6HK5eaCzj6 by Blender@mastodon.social
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We hear your concerns around how Blender relates to AI topics.Here is an update regarding upcoming Blender Development Fund and AI Policies: https://www.blender.org/news/upcoming-blender-development-fund-and-ai-policies/#b3d #DevFund
(DIR) Post #B5rKZpVRnKR3kGNvUG by sylvia_ritter@mastodon.social
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@Blender We are so relieved. Thank you so much 🧡 💙 !
(DIR) Post #B5v82ZkGwzwoUQXH1c by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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@Blender Write this down and remember it:"Blender is a tool for artists and creators, it’s made by humans for humans. No generative AI functionality is currently available or planned to be integrated in Blender."We shall see how it holds up.
(DIR) Post #B5v82Zzs10QNGnpjKy by mastodonmigration@mastodon.online
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@Blender From reading the comments seems like there are still questions.Is generative AI code used or permitted to be used in Blender development?Are integrations between Blender and AI companies permitted?Are Ai companies going to be able to train their models on Blender user's content?
(DIR) Post #B5v82aGB2NT65NSkkq by niccolove@fosstodon.org
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@mastodonmigration I'm sorry that I keep being critical about this, but I really feel like I have to point out that these questions hardly make sense> Is generative AI code used or permitted to be used in Blender development?It's impossibile to determine for sure whether a PR contains AI generated code. Any big FOSS project will contain AI generated code pretty soon, regardless of its policy. > Are integrations between Blender and AI companies permitted?Blender exposes an Python (1/2)
(DIR) Post #B5v82aTIFbxak3bECO by jibsaram@68k.social
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@niccolove@fosstodon.org @mastodonmigration@mastodon.onlineIt's impossibile to determine for sure whether a PR contains AI generated code.This feels like an odd reasoning against possible policies prohibiting AI-supported contributions though, isn't it? Just because some might willfully attempt to circumvent or otherwise break a project's contribution guidelines does not in any way seem like enough of a reason to not even try?To use a slightly hyperbolic example to further explain what I mean; isn't that kind of like suggesting there's no point making laws against theft or murder, because some will try/succeed at either anyway?Please do let me know if I misunderstood what you meant!
(DIR) Post #B5v82ajbGz0JYdEFcG by niccolove@fosstodon.org
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@jibsaram @mastodonmigration It's much easier than that: policies should be enforceable. Same applies to laws, by the way! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unenforced_law
(DIR) Post #B5v82aoYyWyRo1YDLs by niccolove@fosstodon.org
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@mastodonmigration API, it seems absurd to me that Blender would police who can use the API. I doubt it's even possible.> Are Ai companies going to be able to train their models on Blender user's content?If models are publicly available then it probably already happened. If not, then obviously not. How would a donation change anything here?
(DIR) Post #B5v82atWg4wa3PsB5U by jibsaram@68k.social
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@niccolove@fosstodon.org @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online fair point, but doesn't this then also suggest that you don't think clean room projects are actually possible, as there's not necessarily a way one could make absolutely certain everyone involved hasn't at least peaked over the proverbial fence?It feels a bit like the suggestion here is to not even try to have people adhere to certain code of conducts and/or contribution guidelines, simply because it might not be 100% detectable (or otherwise provable) that someone broke the rules/guidelines.I do understand your point about unenforceable rules, I guess I just don't like the counter proposal of just letting everyone go nuts with these tools, consequences be damned. Surely there has to be another option?
(DIR) Post #B5v82c9A1R2nwCCB60 by niccolove@fosstodon.org
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@jibsaram The reasonable option IMO is the most obvious one: treat contributions as we've always done, putting the responsibility of submitted code in the author, regardless of the tools used to make the code. If the code is bad, or the MR misses obvious parts / is low quality, then it should be denied (and the author potentially banned, if it's that bad!). We don't need any extra AI rule IMO, just take responsibility for what you submit.
(DIR) Post #B5v82cO384xCgNA4Iq by jibsaram@68k.social
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@niccolove@fosstodon.org thank you for sharing your thoughts! I fear it might be a bit too naive to not think we need some kind of guard rails in place, but I'll be more than happy if I end up being proven wrong on that.We're certainly dealing with interesting times, to say the least. I feel for FOSS developers/maintainers who are struggling to deal with the added burden they're faced with these days. I can understand the desire to try to find ways to deal with this more proactively, even though there's obviously no silver bullet.
(DIR) Post #B6GG6Vr0ExTpX2EMSG by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@niccolove @jibsaram @mastodonmigration imean , tbh i dont think being “enforceable” matters for a foss project’s contributing guidelines . what those are is usually a code of conduct regarding the development process . it codifies the project’s stance on the matter . it shows support for political actions in a certain direction . it means a lot to both contributors , users , and others .its a “trust” thing more than a “policy” thing . if i go contribute to a project with a certain CoC , and then in my private life act explicitly against that CoC , nobody will ever know . but that CoC being there still Means Something
(DIR) Post #B6GGFT189kLvLAEmnI by fiore@brain.worm.pink
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@niccolove @jibsaram like i agree with this but also you need to consider context . we are in an insane ai craze moment rn . saying “we dont like ai” will drive ai people away . saying “take your own responsibility for your ai code” means more people will submit ai pr s . its just how it is currently
(DIR) Post #B6Gj2v3RV515Ccgi8G by jibsaram@68k.social
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@fiore@brain.worm.pink @niccolove@fosstodon.org @mastodonmigration@mastodon.online well said! I very much agree with this.