Post B5gjzrJy1vbV1BxrHM by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
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(DIR) Post #B5gjzr8ygmoUT6p59M by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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freebsd is slopware and even if it claims “low quality submissions will be rejected” that doesn’t make it not slopwareit’s always been the bsd i trusted least
(DIR) Post #B5gjzrJy1vbV1BxrHM by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
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@wyatt that sucks, since it's the most usable BSD for everyday actual usage
(DIR) Post #B5gjzrX5FA5zfs6Kiu by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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@freya i genuinely do not care because i found it to be the most frustrating for day to day usage despite the wider base of drivers
(DIR) Post #B5gjzrh0eG2GAekGC8 by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
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@wyatt huh. how so, if you don't mind explaining? NetBSD to me felt pretty stable, OpenBSD felt like a fucking prison, security iover usability to a ridiculous extent
(DIR) Post #B5gjzrps7J7mc8tL0a by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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@freya freebsd is so broken on actual hardware that i never succeeded in making audio play through the speakers unless i had headphones plugged in, and unplugging the headphones would make it try to play through the headphone jack. As one example.OpenBSD made it easy to connect to a wireless network; the configuration style was sensible and simple. Not so for freebsd.It's been a few years since I last subjected myself to that torture but basically it feels like freebsd never gets tested outside of virtual machines on real-world hardware and there were stupid fucking problems like that everywhere I looked. The documentation was also inferior to openbsd's and netbsd's.
(DIR) Post #B5gjzs3hHuBRJ1MNYe by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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@freya i was running it on a thinkpad x201 by the way, which is hardly an obscure machine
(DIR) Post #B5gjzsDyfgPHouAaa8 by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
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@wyatt @wyatt then again, things that aren't the big 3 seem to treat almost any computer like it's at least 20 years old. if you're on BSD, you can expect very minmal support for modern security features, I mean none of te BSDs support secure boot for fuck sake
(DIR) Post #B5gjzsUzeQ1Afg8B6W by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@freya @wyatt secure boot isn't a security measure, but a way for microsoft to decide which operating systems have the right to boot
(DIR) Post #B5gjzxTP9kia6CQTp2 by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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@freya openbsd's security priority is indeed annoying, especially on old hardware. But it's relatively easy to neuter most of the most intrusive parts and what remains is what I would be consider reasonable to use.
(DIR) Post #B5gkAYkpOw26cUdAh6 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@wyatt @freya @SRAZKVT there was even a campaign by the FSF against "Restricted Boot", which was co-signed by many projects.Most of which reverted to calling it "Secure[sic!] Boot" and actively supporting it, of course 🤬 and people like mjg59 (of recent pushing-FOSS-to-LLM-slop fame) even actively lobbying for it.
(DIR) Post #B5gkQ4hYu71Y2wV9A8 by freya@social.highenergymagic.net
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@SRAZKVT @wyatt counterpoint: you can literally remove the microsoft keys and load your own
(DIR) Post #B5gkQ4uK8fESgWTL3Q by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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@freya @SRAZKVT and what benefit does that give you over not using it at all?Were you not moments ago complaining about openbsd's security fetish, before going on to describe your own dumb security fetish?
(DIR) Post #B5gkQ561RAadGnwgHw by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@SRAZKVT @wyatt @freya it’s also factually wrong.Well, not strictly. The EFI can then boot your OS you signed yourself.It cannot, however, accept things like the… whatever the EFI equivalent is for video BIOS and NIC option ROM, because these were signed by a Microslop delegatee. So have fun enjoying your technically bootable (if not netbootable, and probably video-less) computer.
(DIR) Post #B5gkQ63ZrkEEFVoF7I by wyatt@soc.megatokyo.moe
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@freya @SRAZKVT also with a well designed kernel and reasonable permissions system, secure boot is far less important than on a system with software you don't trust (windows 11)
(DIR) Post #B5gkWxQIMbvbV2ht20 by Li@tech.lgbt
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@wyatt @freya @SRAZKVT i mean .. honestly this kinda just solves all the issues, it prevents boot sector viruses (since they don't have the key you personally added-) but your also not relying on a single keyset from microsoft, where they basically get to be a cop and police everything you do.... that said, boot sector viruses are a pretty unlikely to run into to begin with tbh
(DIR) Post #B5gkWxmH2tVcbCzRI0 by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@Li @wyatt @freya againmost cheap laptops do not allow you to add your own keys, you're locked with whatever it came with
(DIR) Post #B5gkWy6poRxJcybrKy by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@SRAZKVT @freya @Li @wyatt for an ARM device to be qualified to run Windows, the inability to install one’s own keys is even a requirement.Ein Schelm, wer Böses dabei denkt.
(DIR) Post #B5gkb7foCBdWRrwv20 by Li@tech.lgbt
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@SRAZKVT @wyatt @freya yes considering that i would say that does kinda make secure boot an anti-feature, that exists mostly to let MS control what you run (not to mention you have to have certain requirements to even "count" for secure boot, and shit-) .. tbh the question was asked what benefit it provides, and id say it provides the one thing they claim its meant too, but without giving the convenient power creep to MS that comes with it, i would agree that the way it is currently implemented is bad
(DIR) Post #B5gkb7rVUgzh29QGGW by SRAZKVT@tech.lgbt
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@Li @wyatt @freya secure boot solves nothingsee: https://tech.lgbt/@SRAZKVT/116470020304293694
(DIR) Post #B5gkeuWN2MigoeLCRk by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@SRAZKVT @wyatt @freya @Li or they just install a physical keylogger, then steal the laptop again a few days later.
(DIR) Post #B5gkiuWGz7zzyACcj2 by mirabilos@toot.mirbsd.org
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@Li @SRAZKVT @freya @wyatt it’s really just a crypto-wankfest… and locking down the user, of course.