Post B5etU6PkzL0jmwFTo8 by witix@mk.absturztau.be
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(DIR) Post #B5erLhUtXuTcHgWAca by nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt
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On the topic of software enshittification and AI upsell: I'm used to Chrome doing vile Google stuff, I'm used to stupid paid bookmarks in Firefox, but I'm scared by what Firefox has became. I run Debian-oldstable, OpenBSD and NetBSD, and in all of them Firefox has clickbait links in new tabs and "AI search" and the likes. The one shipped with Debian also spooked me with "Chat with this tab". How did we end up here š„²
(DIR) Post #B5erX0pM1AMdQ8TuKm by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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@nina_kali_nina At least webkit-gtk works on Linux, *BSD and Haiku for another alternative.
(DIR) Post #B5esh9MzDCS0lSbucq by nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt
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@lanodan š¤ is it still alright?
(DIR) Post #B5esh9XyYLF1JXkgkq by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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@nina_kali_nina As far as I know yeah, and very unlikely to get weirdo integrations like AI stuff as it's made as a library.
(DIR) Post #B5etU69Rxxy0yMcSOG by chiraag@mastodon.online
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@nina_kali_nina The thing is, despite all of that, Firefox is still the best browser. That's honestly the saddest part of all. Everything else has gotten _so much worse_ that *being able to disable AI integration* (which you can do in Firefox) is somehow the best option.
(DIR) Post #B5etU6PkzL0jmwFTo8 by witix@mk.absturztau.be
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@chiraag@mastodon.online @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt there is also an option called firefox forks@librewolf@chaos.social being the most based of them
(DIR) Post #B5etU6bSHqMuNDip2e by nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt
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@witix @chiraag @librewolf nod nod, I'm mostly on LibreWolf myself, but it requires more than two clicks to install on obscure systems, so I felt like installing Firefox to look up a thing is not going to hurt me much. I was wrong lol But also, if IT folks are out of options, everyone else is cooked, getting used to whatever google gives them as a browser :(
(DIR) Post #B5gRGFiFDE02AhQJEm by aperezdc@oldbytes.space
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@lanodan @nina_kali_nina historically there have port maintainers doing the needed fixups to keep @WebKitGTK working on the BSDs, and at some point we were even getting some patches upstreamedābut not lately, despite me trying to have those reviewed and applied. I think the review process felt a bit like a drag at times, and WebKit can be slow to work with given that it's a big codebase. Sometimes I do a small sweep of the ports trees to try and pick āupstreamableā fixes, but sadly my spare time for those things is limited. We could use a BSD person helping out with this.
(DIR) Post #B5gRGH00QfnkA4k0Yq by aperezdc@oldbytes.space
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@lanodan @nina_kali_nina also, sure I can install and use BSDs, but I need Linux for work and it wouldn't be practical for me to even dual boot my buildbox, and last time I tried with qemu things were a bit clunky and one couldn't test hardware acceleration. Sorry.
(DIR) Post #B5gRKOo9L2QbXRA9ce by nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt
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@aperezdc @lanodan this is understandable. For the time being, avoiding Windows, Linux and Mac at work is almost impossible.As for NetBSD, the hardware acceleratd virtualisation is pretty good these days; not sure if it has accelerated video, though.
(DIR) Post #B5gRyHGenA3BjhVpFw by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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@nina_kali_nina @aperezdc Yeah, I'd even say that grabbing patches from the ports is going out of your way as the *BSD devs should try to upstream them.At least on my spare non-retro machines (got FreeBSD, NetBSD, Haiku on those) it's been working okay but it's very infrequent tests done when I need to check against possible portability issues of my own code.
(DIR) Post #B5gS0FDLOhtHwktu1w by pulkomandy@mastodon.tetaneutral.net
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@lanodan @nina_kali_nina maybe no user-facing AI integration, but some webkit developers are using AI assisted tooling. So if you want to avoid that as well, you will have to pick another web engine...I think that leaves NetSurf, maybe Dillo and Servo? Probably a much larger downgrade than replacing Linux with BSD, actually?
(DIR) Post #B5gSAZU8sxbXiBgM4G by aperezdc@oldbytes.space
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@nina_kali_nina @lanodan to be honest, I never sat to try HHVM properly, so it may be actually time to dig out one of the old laptops and tinker a bit. It's been quite a while since I last booted NetBSD!Coincidentally, we just got an email from sent to the mailing list with a fix for NetBSD: https://lists.webkit.org/archives/list/webkit-gtk@lists.webkit.org/thread/VUCLAFZQGO7CBTQARGVQUN3AJC6H5UIX/ ā which looks good so I'll be upstreaming it later :neocat_3c: (and I have a few other build fixes in the pipeline).
(DIR) Post #B5gT0bMv7yf0bz78gy by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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@pulkomandy @nina_kali_nina Made me check because Rust ecosystem has been quite tainted, and Servo has a no-AI policy so that's nice: https://book.servo.org/contributing/getting-started
(DIR) Post #B5gTo6AdObNYKbyA7s by aperezdc@oldbytes.space
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@lanodan @nina_kali_nina maybe it's going a bit out of the way, dunno. But I personally care about the BSDs a bit, and sometimes they make certain latent issues surface. In my experience the more different operating systems and architectures a piece of software supports, typically the better it is. Diversity helps maintainers, even if it may feel like a burden sometimes!