Post B5czNzoKq22yylIRe4 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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 (DIR) Post #B5czLvMwNk4wcjUlAu by cwebber@social.coop
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       "If you're so worried about datacenter impact on climate change you should go vegetarian, that would be more effective"I am vegetarian *and* I am worried about datacenter impact on climate change
       
 (DIR) Post #B5czNzoKq22yylIRe4 by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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       @cwebber "I am now going to eat datacenters"
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d0HVAzvJl0BVMdCS by cwebber@social.coop
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       People do the same whataboutism about vegetarianism/veganism too FWIW"Oh yeah? Well if you're advocating for vegatarianism, why not advocate for biking instead of driving cars, highways kill a lot of animals and cars emit so much CO2"Buddy I got news for you I do that too
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d0HViJvQPbqqxF8i by cwebber@social.coop
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       I'm the leftie queer who's saying yeah we should be worried about the environment as a multidisciplinary concern and try to tackle it from as many angles as we can, I'm sorry this is annoying, since I already agree with all your whataboutism directions and say "yes that too!"
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d0HW9GJFxlCPYl8K by cwebber@social.coop
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       I'm also a huge fan of trains
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d0NRxcnBJTwswf5M by janneke@todon.nl
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       @cwebber I am vegan and am worrying about how the dairy industry and the meat industry are tightly entangled and that because of that vegetarianism doesn't contribute to a reduction of animal suffering in a meaningful way (acknowledging that going vegetarian is an amazing step towards veganism, thank you vegetarians, and please keep walking the path!), and I'm worrying about the datacenter impact on climate change.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d0NSGPfKLGt9jfN2 by cwebber@social.coop
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       @janneke Veganism is def better than vegetarianism; I eat "largely vegan", but once you pull people along to vegetarianism, it's easier to move society to veganism
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d0NSZCXTN3pQWfei by cwebber@social.coop
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       @janneke Pretty much I am the same way with vegetarianism / veganism as I am with free softwareI still run my nonfree blobs to keep my computer running but if everyone were running hippie computers with FOSS, we could get rid of those much easier too
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d1VsRiIvaAMWbL8a by lanodan@queer.hacktivis.me
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       @cwebber @janneke Reminds me that sometimes I feel like it's much easier to go vegan than go full free software, like for vegan stuff in my experience you can get your stuff at the local shops fine and problems are more when away from your familiar areas.While full free software depends on more and more niche hardware and even then you're still making compromises.
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d1eRMQNNrWxtD77A by cwebber@social.coop
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       @lanodan @janneke But at the same time, it used to be *so much harder* to be vegan!Even being vegetarian was 20x harder when I switched to being so in 2009 than it is today
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d1jHJz86ALHCNOxk by cwebber@social.coop
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       @lanodan @janneke Which is to say, I optimistically believe that progress here is possibleAnd people correctly point out that individual action is not enough, but on the other hand, being veg*n only got easier because of *collective individual action*!
       
 (DIR) Post #B5d4fnKGUm9vEzXPSC by slowfallinward@ihatebeinga.live
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       @cwebber probably overspecific but I think non-highway driving is the first thing to try and eliminate cars for, short/mid-range with small load is what bikes are more naturally suited to and cars are often extremely stupid in that application going several hundred miles on a bike is rather an undertaking, and trains can't go to the range of endpoints a car can
       
 (DIR) Post #B5dFrMgkSPaLb5m328 by meena@cathode.church
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       @cwebber are you even be allowed to call yourself trans if your aren't?
       
 (DIR) Post #B5dFrN0bGbSsaf3tya by darius@friend.camp
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       @meena @cwebber Christine Lemmer-Webber said trains rights